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post #1 of 79
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I've been pondering this question during my morning commute, and the answer I have arrived at is a typically lawyer-esque: it depends.

In an earlier thread I posted, we railed against overused hack bits in movies, such as the girl falling while running from the chainsaw wielding maniac. Some of the things people mentioned were specific types of jump scares (such as the cat falling out of the closet, the person appears behind the hero(ine) when they close the mirrored medicine cabinet, the creepy-neighbor-that-isn't-really-the killer, etc.). I think based on how often & how poorly we've all seen these & other variations done, it's beyond question that the jump scare CAN be a hack bit.

But is it always?

I think sometimes it isn't. A good example I can think of is one from 'The Abandoned", one of After Dark's 8 Films to Die For from last year's horrorfest. i'd like to think that after having been a horror fiend as long as I have, I can usually spot a jump scare coming. I should've seen this one coming, too, but for some reason, I was completely fooled. They got me GOOD. Not only did I not see it coming, but the imagery revealed wasn't what I expected either. It definitely wasn't one of the hack bits outlined above. That, IMO made it a valid device; the heroine was in a situation where, if she had really seen what was revealed when her flashlight beam played over it as we saw on film, she probably WOULD'VE jumped. We were, quite emphatically, made to share in that experience. I liken the "You're going to need a bigger boat" appearance of the shark (or the brief appearance of what was left of Ben Gardener's corpse) in "Jaws" to this kind of scare. The 1st time you saw either of those, they caught you a little off guard, because they weren't what you were maybe expecting (you were maybe expecting Hooper to get attacked, not for Ben Gardener's remains to float gruesomely by, or Chief Brody to continue arguing w/ Quint, not bounce some chum of the shark's oversized nose).

More common, but none the less valid, I think, is a jump scare that pays off. It really IS the killer, or the monster, and not some fucking cat or creepy neighbor thrown in to artificially build tension. the director catches the audience napping, just like the killer catches the hero, and there's a really good startling 'Gotcha!' moment, that actually maybe contributes to the story (and if you're lucky, may pay off w/ a good kill). Unfortunately, I can't think of a good example of this kind of scare, but I know they're out there. I think you know what I mean.

Does anyone agree w/ me? Does anyone think I'm full of shit, and the jump scare is always a hack bit used by lazy filmmakers, or do you love 'em to death, can't get enough of 'em, wish they'd make a movie that was nothing but jump scares for 2 hours?
post #2 of 79
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The Jump Scare: Valid Cinematic Device or Hack Bit?

I've been pondering this question during my morning commute, and the answer I have arrived at is a typically lawyer-esque: it depends.

In an earlier thread I posted, we railed against overused hack bits in movies, such as the girl falling while running from the chainsaw wielding maniac. Some of the things people mentioned were specific types of jump scares (such as the cat falling out of the closet, the person appears behind the hero(ine) when they close the mirrored medicine cabinet, the creepy-neighbor-that-isn't-really-the killer, etc.). I think based on how often & how poorly we've all seen these & other variations done, it's beyond question that the jump scare CAN be a hack bit.

But is it always?

I think sometimes it isn't. A good example I can think of is one from 'The Abandoned", one of After Dark's 8 Films to Die For from last year's horrorfest. i'd like to think that after having been a horror fiend as long as I have, I can usually spot a jump scare coming. I should've seen this one coming, too, but for some reason, I was completely fooled. They got me GOOD. Not only did I not see it coming, but the imagery revealed wasn't what I expected either. It definitely wasn't one of the hack bits outlined above. That, IMO made it a valid device; the heroine was in a situation where, if she had really seen what was revealed when her flashlight beam played over it as we saw on film, she probably WOULD'VE jumped. We were, quite emphatically, made to share in that experience. I liken the "You're going to need a bigger boat" appearance of the shark (or the brief appearance of what was left of Ben Gardener's corpse) in "Jaws" to this kind of scare. The 1st time you saw either of those, they caught you a little off guard, because they weren't what you were maybe expecting (you were maybe expecting Hooper to get attacked, not for Ben Gardener's remains to float gruesomely by, or Chief Brody to continue arguing w/ Quint, not bounce some chum of the shark's oversized nose).

More common, but none the less valid, I think, is a jump scare that pays off. It really IS the killer, or the monster, and not some fucking cat or creepy neighbor thrown in to artificially build tension. the director catches the audience napping, just like the killer catches the hero, and there's a really good startling 'Gotcha!' moment, that actually maybe contributes to the story (and if you're lucky, may pay off w/ a good kill). Unfortunately, I can't think of a good example of this kind of scare, but I know they're out there. I think you know what I mean.

Does anyone agree w/ me? Does anyone think I'm full of shit, and the jump scare is always a hack bit used by lazy filmmakers, or do you love 'em to death, can't get enough of 'em, wish they'd make a movie that was nothing but jump scares for 2 hours?
post #3 of 79
Number one argument for the jump scare = hallway scene in Exorcist III. Might be the loudest collective scream I've ever experienced in a theater.
post #4 of 79
Number one argument for the jump scare = hallway scene in Exorcist III. Might be the loudest collective scream I've ever experienced in a theater.
post #5 of 79
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg
Does anyone agree w/ me? Does anyone think I'm full of shit, and the jump scare is always a hack bit used by lazy filmmakers, or do you love 'em to death, can't get enough of 'em, wish they'd make a movie that was nothing but jump scares for 2 hours?
It's hack when used way too much and, like you said, cheaply. Like, say, a cat jumping on a car hood.

But, most recently, in 1408, that damn radio kept making me jump out of my skin every goddamn time. I wanted to hate them for going with a "loud noise scare" but it was pretty damn effective. Also, CGI ghosts don't scare me, so, it was the only thing that scared me. The movie itself, though, didn't SPOOK me, and that's more rewarding. "Spook" stays with you.

Remember that "wingless angel found in Russia" vid on YouTube? That was a creepy jump scare, what with the glowing eyes and all.

My friend jumped out of his seat during the opening seconds of Apocalypto when the tapir/pig thing ran out of the bushes suddenly. I... don't know what to say about that.

I gotta give Scream (the first one) props. It has really good jump scares, AND they all involve the killer!
post #6 of 79
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg
Does anyone agree w/ me? Does anyone think I'm full of shit, and the jump scare is always a hack bit used by lazy filmmakers, or do you love 'em to death, can't get enough of 'em, wish they'd make a movie that was nothing but jump scares for 2 hours?
It's hack when used way too much and, like you said, cheaply. Like, say, a cat jumping on a car hood.

But, most recently, in 1408, that damn radio kept making me jump out of my skin every goddamn time. I wanted to hate them for going with a "loud noise scare" but it was pretty damn effective. Also, CGI ghosts don't scare me, so, it was the only thing that scared me. The movie itself, though, didn't SPOOK me, and that's more rewarding. "Spook" stays with you.

Remember that "wingless angel found in Russia" vid on YouTube? That was a creepy jump scare, what with the glowing eyes and all.

My friend jumped out of his seat during the opening seconds of Apocalypto when the tapir/pig thing ran out of the bushes suddenly. I... don't know what to say about that.

I gotta give Scream (the first one) props. It has really good jump scares, AND they all involve the killer!
post #7 of 79
Cronenberg, Carpenter and Craven have all used the jump scare or "the bus" as it was originally known, but the difference between them and your garden variety hack is that they don't substitute things like atmosphere, tension and character for said jump scares, they understand the basic tenets of making a successful horror film and their best work shows it.
post #8 of 79
Cronenberg, Carpenter and Craven have all used the jump scare or "the bus" as it was originally known, but the difference between them and your garden variety hack is that they don't substitute things like atmosphere, tension and character for said jump scares, they understand the basic tenets of making a successful horror film and their best work shows it.
post #9 of 79
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg
More common, but none the less valid, I think, is a jump scare that pays off. It really IS the killer, or the monster, and not some fucking cat or creepy neighbor thrown in to artificially build tension. the director catches the audience napping, just like the killer catches the hero, and there's a really good startling 'Gotcha!' moment, that actually maybe contributes to the story (and if you're lucky, may pay off w/ a good kill). Unfortunately, I can't think of a good example of this kind of scare, but I know they're out there. I think you know what I mean.
There is no greater example or justification for this statement than the Sloth victim in Se7en.
post #10 of 79
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg
More common, but none the less valid, I think, is a jump scare that pays off. It really IS the killer, or the monster, and not some fucking cat or creepy neighbor thrown in to artificially build tension. the director catches the audience napping, just like the killer catches the hero, and there's a really good startling 'Gotcha!' moment, that actually maybe contributes to the story (and if you're lucky, may pay off w/ a good kill). Unfortunately, I can't think of a good example of this kind of scare, but I know they're out there. I think you know what I mean.
There is no greater example or justification for this statement than the Sloth victim in Se7en.
post #11 of 79
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Originally Posted by Ratty
Number one argument for the jump scare = hallway scene in Exorcist III. Might be the loudest collective scream I've ever experienced in a theater.
I actually wouldn't call that a jump scare. It isn't sudden or jarring, and is part of a long, static shot. In fact, I think it's the plain realism of the shot that makes it so effective.
post #12 of 79
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Originally Posted by Ratty
Number one argument for the jump scare = hallway scene in Exorcist III. Might be the loudest collective scream I've ever experienced in a theater.
I actually wouldn't call that a jump scare. It isn't sudden or jarring, and is part of a long, static shot. In fact, I think it's the plain realism of the shot that makes it so effective.
post #13 of 79
I generally hate them (expecially if they involve cats or a ringing phone), but I second the Jaws and Se7en examples. I also remember being absolutely terrified as a kid by the sudden appearance of the raptor in the power station in Jurassic Park. The fact that it comes right on top of Ellie's little moment of triumph and the electrified kid made it a really packed, intense minute or so of movie.
post #14 of 79
I generally hate them (expecially if they involve cats or a ringing phone), but I second the Jaws and Se7en examples. I also remember being absolutely terrified as a kid by the sudden appearance of the raptor in the power station in Jurassic Park. The fact that it comes right on top of Ellie's little moment of triumph and the electrified kid made it a really packed, intense minute or so of movie.
post #15 of 79
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Originally Posted by Greg David
I actually wouldn't call that a jump scare. It isn't sudden or jarring, and is part of a long, static shot. In fact, I think it's the plain realism of the shot that makes it so effective.
I respectfully disagree. After the lull, the shrouded figure appears suddenly behind the nurse, the camera zooms quickly on the figures, and there is a sudden audio jolt as well (a siren? can't recall.) Everything about that wonderful moment is sudden. While it's a different type of jump scare than that to which we are normally treated, I think it certainly qualifies.
post #16 of 79
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Originally Posted by Greg David
I actually wouldn't call that a jump scare. It isn't sudden or jarring, and is part of a long, static shot. In fact, I think it's the plain realism of the shot that makes it so effective.
I respectfully disagree. After the lull, the shrouded figure appears suddenly behind the nurse, the camera zooms quickly on the figures, and there is a sudden audio jolt as well (a siren? can't recall.) Everything about that wonderful moment is sudden. While it's a different type of jump scare than that to which we are normally treated, I think it certainly qualifies.
post #17 of 79
The jump scare has definitely become a cliche and extremely overused. Put me on the side that says that too many director's use it too liberally now, to substitute atmosphere and tension. If it's used more conservatively (Se7en for example) than it really works.
post #18 of 79
The jump scare has definitely become a cliche and extremely overused. Put me on the side that says that too many director's use it too liberally now, to substitute atmosphere and tension. If it's used more conservatively (Se7en for example) than it really works.
post #19 of 79
I feel silly for even mentioning it, but there was the scene in 8 Below when a vicious leopard seal pops out of a dead whale that made my urine trickle. One of those, 'wow, I didn't see that coming' moments.
post #20 of 79
I feel silly for even mentioning it, but there was the scene in 8 Below when a vicious leopard seal pops out of a dead whale that made my urine trickle. One of those, 'wow, I didn't see that coming' moments.
post #21 of 79
wait.until.dark.
post #22 of 79
wait.until.dark.
post #23 of 79
The last "jump scare" (which I am taking to mean sudden "boo!" moment, whether aural or visual, payoff or no) was in Grindhouse, Planet Terror, when Marley Shelton tells her kid to be careful with the gun and the kid IMMEDIATELY blows his fucking head off. No one was expecting it, and the sick info the sudden bang carried with it made the audience jump, and then groan in disbelief. Neat effect.
post #24 of 79
The last "jump scare" (which I am taking to mean sudden "boo!" moment, whether aural or visual, payoff or no) was in Grindhouse, Planet Terror, when Marley Shelton tells her kid to be careful with the gun and the kid IMMEDIATELY blows his fucking head off. No one was expecting it, and the sick info the sudden bang carried with it made the audience jump, and then groan in disbelief. Neat effect.
post #25 of 79
Copied from this thread:

Boo scares are most effective when they're the icing, rather than the cake. Look at the Thing, at the scene where the dog first changes into the Thing. When they run over to the Pen, there's a Boo scare of anotther dog being thrown at them. It's incredibly efective but only because Carpenter already put you in this state of fear and dread with the jaw-dropping transformation sequence.

Plus, you feel the characters being trapped because it's a medium shot down a narrow corridor. You see them, crowded, not understanding what's going on, running to what surely must be their doom, and then a dog, the same kind as the one the alien took the form of, leaps out from off frame right into them. It's a boo moment, but it's masterfully done. That kind of boo moment is great. But you can't have an entire movie of these moments. You need to build it.
post #26 of 79
Copied from this thread:

Boo scares are most effective when they're the icing, rather than the cake. Look at the Thing, at the scene where the dog first changes into the Thing. When they run over to the Pen, there's a Boo scare of anotther dog being thrown at them. It's incredibly efective but only because Carpenter already put you in this state of fear and dread with the jaw-dropping transformation sequence.

Plus, you feel the characters being trapped because it's a medium shot down a narrow corridor. You see them, crowded, not understanding what's going on, running to what surely must be their doom, and then a dog, the same kind as the one the alien took the form of, leaps out from off frame right into them. It's a boo moment, but it's masterfully done. That kind of boo moment is great. But you can't have an entire movie of these moments. You need to build it.
post #27 of 79
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Originally Posted by Ratty
Number one argument for the jump scare = hallway scene in Exorcist III. Might be the loudest collective scream I've ever experienced in a theater.
Then this would be #2.


And by the way, Peter Hyams uses the cat-scare in Relic AND End of Days.
post #28 of 79
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Originally Posted by Ratty
Number one argument for the jump scare = hallway scene in Exorcist III. Might be the loudest collective scream I've ever experienced in a theater.
Then this would be #2.


And by the way, Peter Hyams uses the cat-scare in Relic AND End of Days.
post #29 of 79
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Originally Posted by le Stephanois
wait.until.dark.
Now THAT was a good one. That cool cat Alan Arkin may be totally hep in that movie, but he can sure leap spectacularly out of nowhere at terrific speed.



TOTALLY. HEP.
post #30 of 79
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Originally Posted by le Stephanois
wait.until.dark.
Now THAT was a good one. That cool cat Alan Arkin may be totally hep in that movie, but he can sure leap spectacularly out of nowhere at terrific speed.



TOTALLY. HEP.
post #31 of 79
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Originally Posted by nekkerbee
I respectfully disagree. After the lull, the shrouded figure appears suddenly behind the nurse, the camera zooms quickly on the figures, and there is a sudden audio jolt as well (a siren? can't recall.) Everything about that wonderful moment is sudden. While it's a different type of jump scare than that to which we are normally treated, I think it certainly qualifies.
I don't recall any camera zoom. As I remember it, you simply see him walk out and across the hall after the nurse.
post #32 of 79
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Originally Posted by nekkerbee
I respectfully disagree. After the lull, the shrouded figure appears suddenly behind the nurse, the camera zooms quickly on the figures, and there is a sudden audio jolt as well (a siren? can't recall.) Everything about that wonderful moment is sudden. While it's a different type of jump scare than that to which we are normally treated, I think it certainly qualifies.
I don't recall any camera zoom. As I remember it, you simply see him walk out and across the hall after the nurse.
post #33 of 79
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Originally Posted by Greg David
I don't recall any camera zoom. As I remember it, you simply see him walk out and across the hall after the nurse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH8ynu0jRvY

Check it out.
post #34 of 79
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Originally Posted by Greg David
I don't recall any camera zoom. As I remember it, you simply see him walk out and across the hall after the nurse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH8ynu0jRvY

Check it out.
post #35 of 79
"Cat scares" work only if they are contextualized. Ben Gardner's head is effective because it shows the real damage of the sitch, but if it were, say a bag of Doritos, then it's a cheat. Same with pretty much every good example listed. Though ALIEN has a cat scare, but since it was one of the first to use it, and the cat was introduced ahead of time, it only gets a yellow card.
post #36 of 79
"Cat scares" work only if they are contextualized. Ben Gardner's head is effective because it shows the real damage of the sitch, but if it were, say a bag of Doritos, then it's a cheat. Same with pretty much every good example listed. Though ALIEN has a cat scare, but since it was one of the first to use it, and the cat was introduced ahead of time, it only gets a yellow card.
post #37 of 79
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny
Cronenberg, Carpenter and Craven have all used the jump scare or "the bus" as it was originally known
Does the name "the bus" come from Cat People?
post #38 of 79
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny
Cronenberg, Carpenter and Craven have all used the jump scare or "the bus" as it was originally known
Does the name "the bus" come from Cat People?
post #39 of 79
The jump scare is no more or less valid a tool than anything else in a director's disposal. It only has a bad reputation because since it's easy to use every hack can load his movie with jump scares and think he's making a horror movie.

I have to admit though, that I have a personal affinity to the jump scare, since the one in Jaws with the shark popping out of the water as Brody was throwing bait in the sea, initiated my first ever handjob.
post #40 of 79
The jump scare is no more or less valid a tool than anything else in a director's disposal. It only has a bad reputation because since it's easy to use every hack can load his movie with jump scares and think he's making a horror movie.

I have to admit though, that I have a personal affinity to the jump scare, since the one in Jaws with the shark popping out of the water as Brody was throwing bait in the sea, initiated my first ever handjob.
post #41 of 79
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Originally Posted by Derangio
I feel silly for even mentioning it, but there was the scene in 8 Below when a vicious leopard seal pops out of a dead whale that made my urine trickle. One of those, 'wow, I didn't see that coming' moments.
I think Devin mentioned having the same reaction in his review.
post #42 of 79
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Originally Posted by Derangio
I feel silly for even mentioning it, but there was the scene in 8 Below when a vicious leopard seal pops out of a dead whale that made my urine trickle. One of those, 'wow, I didn't see that coming' moments.
I think Devin mentioned having the same reaction in his review.
post #43 of 79
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Originally Posted by Crow
There is no greater example or justification for this statement than the Sloth victim in Se7en.
Very good call.
post #44 of 79
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Crow
There is no greater example or justification for this statement than the Sloth victim in Se7en.
Very good call.
post #45 of 79
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I have to admit though, that I have a personal affinity to the jump scare, since the one in Jaws with the shark popping out of the water as Brody was throwing bait in the sea, initiated my first ever handjob.
Interest=piqued
post #46 of 79
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I have to admit though, that I have a personal affinity to the jump scare, since the one in Jaws with the shark popping out of the water as Brody was throwing bait in the sea, initiated my first ever handjob.
Interest=piqued
post #47 of 79
I love the car crash in THE FORGOTTEN. Such a boring flick, but I spilled a good load of Coke in that moment. Mean. The girl I was with couldn't stop laughing.

Jump scares are fine as long as they're done well. If the girl slowly walks backwards and BOO there's her friend... that's possibly the worst kind of jump scare. Cheap and in way too many movies. Oh, and horror movies shouldn't rely on jump scares alone. Atmosphere is the key. Better handjobs.
post #48 of 79
I love the car crash in THE FORGOTTEN. Such a boring flick, but I spilled a good load of Coke in that moment. Mean. The girl I was with couldn't stop laughing.

Jump scares are fine as long as they're done well. If the girl slowly walks backwards and BOO there's her friend... that's possibly the worst kind of jump scare. Cheap and in way too many movies. Oh, and horror movies shouldn't rely on jump scares alone. Atmosphere is the key. Better handjobs.
post #49 of 79
Calling it "the bus" reminded me of the girl getting hit by the bus in the first FINAL DESTINATION, which I think is a good jump scare/laugh. Also, JAWS has my faves: the head popping into the hole and the shark popping up behind Brody.

It can be a cheap, hack meaneuver. But, like anything, it's a tool and in the right hands it can be great.

(But not in SPECIES where the suspense builds and builds and then a shrieking animal jumps out of nowhere, causing the heroine- and hopefully the audience- to scream. Then Michael Madsen has to say, "It's okay. It's just a squirrel." That's when me and the film parted ways.)
post #50 of 79
Calling it "the bus" reminded me of the girl getting hit by the bus in the first FINAL DESTINATION, which I think is a good jump scare/laugh. Also, JAWS has my faves: the head popping into the hole and the shark popping up behind Brody.

It can be a cheap, hack meaneuver. But, like anything, it's a tool and in the right hands it can be great.

(But not in SPECIES where the suspense builds and builds and then a shrieking animal jumps out of nowhere, causing the heroine- and hopefully the audience- to scream. Then Michael Madsen has to say, "It's okay. It's just a squirrel." That's when me and the film parted ways.)
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