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Study: Smoking weed increases risk of psychosis

post #1 of 22
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From cnn.com...

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LONDON, England (AP) -- Using marijuana seems to increase the chance of becoming psychotic, researchers report in an analysis of past research that reignites the issue of whether pot is dangerous.

Some experts say governments should now work to dispel a misconception that marijuana is a benign drug.

The new review suggests that even infrequent use could raise the small but real risk of this serious mental illness by 40 percent.

Doctors have long suspected a connection and say the latest findings underline the need to highlight marijuana's long-term risks. The research, paid for by the British Health Department, is being published Friday in medical journal The Lancet.

"The available evidence now suggests that cannabis is not as harmless as many people think," said Dr. Stanley Zammit, one of the study's authors and a lecturer in the department of psychological medicine at Cardiff University.

The researchers said they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis, a category of several disorders with schizophrenia being the most commonly known.

There could be something else about marijuana users, "like their tendency to use other drugs or certain personality traits, that could be causing the psychoses," Zammit said.

Marijuana is the most frequently used illegal substance in many countries, including the United Kingdom and the United States. About 20 percent of young adults report using it at least once a week, according to government statistics.

Zammit and colleagues from the University of Bristol, Imperial College and Cambridge University examined 35 studies that tracked tens of thousands of people for periods ranging from one year to 27 years to examine the effect of marijuana on mental health.

They looked for psychotic illnesses as well as cognitive disorders including delusions and hallucinations, bipolar disorder, depression, anxiety, neuroses and suicidal tendencies.

They found that people who used marijuana had roughly a 40 percent higher chance of developing a psychotic disorder later in life. The overall risk remains very low.

For example, Zammit said the risk of developing schizophrenia for most people is less than 1 percent. The prevalence of schizophrenia is believed to be about five in 1,000 people. But because of the drug's wide popularity, the researchers estimate that about 800 new cases of psychosis could be prevented by reducing marijuana use.

The scientists found a more disturbing outlook for "heavy users" of pot, those who used it daily or weekly: Their risk for psychosis jumped to a range of 50 percent to 200 percent.

One doctor noted that people with a history of mental illness in their families could be at higher risk. For them, marijuana use "could unmask the underlying schizophrenia," said Dr. Deepak Cyril D'Souza, an associate professor of psychiatry at Yale University, who was not involved in the study.

Dr. Wilson Compton, a senior scientist at the National Institute on Drug Abuse in Washington, called the study persuasive.

"The strongest case is that there are consistencies across all of the studies," and that the link was seen only with psychoses -- not anxiety, depression or other mental health problems, he said.

Scientists cannot rule out that pre-existing conditions could have led to both marijuana use and later psychoses, he added.

Scientists think it is biologically possible that marijuana could cause psychoses because it interrupts important neurotransmitters such as dopamine. That can interfere with the brain's communication systems.

Some experts say governments should now work to dispel the misconception that marijuana is a benign drug.

"We've reached the end of the road with these kinds of studies," said Dr. Robin Murray of King's College, who had no role in the Lancet study. "Experts are now agreed on the connection between cannabis and psychoses. What we need now is for 14-year-olds to know it."

In the U.K., the government will soon reconsider how marijuana should be classified in its hierarchy of drugs. In 2004, it was downgraded and penalties for possession were reduced. Many expect marijuana will be bumped up to a class "B" category, with offenses likely to lead to arrests or longer jail sentences.

Two of the authors of the study were invited experts on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs Cannabis Review in 2005. Several authors reported being paid to attend drug company-sponsored meetings related to marijuana, and one received consulting fees from companies that make antipsychotic medications.
So put down that joint, kids, because if you smoke one -- even if it's the only one you ever smoke -- there is a... slightly higher but still remarkably slim chance you will go crazy.
post #2 of 22
Bah. This is from the same island that has a beef with headbutts.
post #3 of 22
Hmm, I find that not smoking weed greatly increases the risk of psychosis. If someone would have just given D-FENS a fat-ass blunt, FALLING DOWN would never have happened.

Want to link drugs and psychosis? Let's do a little test of our own. Get twenty people. Get half of them rip-roaring drunk, and let the other half smoke as much weed as you can give them. Take notes on who acts more psychotic. Repeat until satisfied with the sample size.
post #4 of 22
Drink alcohol instead.
post #5 of 22
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Originally Posted by FreeRobotSex
Bah. This is from the same island that has a beef with headbutts.
And banned Blood Feast, apparently fearing it would create a nation of psychopaths going around ripping sheep's tongues out of people.

Not to be the tinfoil hat type, but why are they always going out of their way to expose the "dangers" of marijuana, while alcohol, which has destroyed millions of lives (probably, I'm not a statistician), is still well and good?
post #6 of 22
Yeah, and I'm supposed to be insane because I've taken LSD at least 50 times. I'm still waiting for the voices in my head.
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by Big Jim Slade
Not to be the tinfoil hat type, but why are they always going out of their way to expose the "dangers" of marijuana, while alcohol, which has destroyed millions of lives (probably, I'm not a statistician), is still well and good?
Well, there is a LOT of research out there showing the negative effects (physiologically, emotionally, socially, etc) of alcohol... but everyone with any medical background (and most intelligent people) already know the significant dangers... so it is not a very interesting story. Also, it isn't like it would be easy to put restrictions on alcohol in the US, you would have a public mutiny on your hands.

Marijuana, on the other hand, has been studied less, so when new information comes out it is more interesting. Also, seeing as marijuana is a currently illegal substance (the merits of this being currently debated in many circles), looking at the health effects is important to many people at this current time.

Also, a lot of people (and I tend to agree) say that the research shows that alcohol is much more dangerous than marijuana (this is a very general statement, and we would have to qualify it with types/amounts/length/etc of use), but that gives people the false sense that marijuana is thus safe, which is not entirely true. Safer does not equal safe.

Regardless, the public needs to be very careful to not equate the media's reporting of possible scientific findings with the importance or validity of those findings as viewed by the scientific community.

In other words, the news media will print what they think will sell with not so much regard for scientific merit. So, lots of research is being done (and has been done) on the effects of alcohol, it just didn't happen to get reported this week in major news outlets.
post #8 of 22
The validity of this study is perfectly summed up in the final paragraph:

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Two of the authors of the study were invited experts on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs Cannabis Review in 2005. Several authors reported being paid to attend drug company-sponsored meetings related to marijuana, and one received consulting fees from companies that make antipsychotic medications.
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by Big Jim Slade
Not to be the tinfoil hat type, but why are they always going out of their way to expose the "dangers" of marijuana, while alcohol, which has destroyed millions of lives (probably, I'm not a statistician), is still well and good?
I don't know much about studies on the psychology of alcohol, I do know that it plays a factor in 70% of violent crimes in the US.
post #10 of 22
In my day, I've heard some articulate, thought-out arguments that marijuana is no more harmful than alcohol, and I agree with them. I can't stand stinking fucking drunks any more than I can tolerate goddamn potheads.

Trolling aside: In the article above, the researchers quoted admit that they're looking at a correlative relationship, and stress that they can't prove a causal link with the data on hand. At worst, they're talking about a possible side affect that should go on on the package in civilized countries where people can have access to a drug that genuinely relieves the symptoms endured by cancer/glaucoma/AIDS sufferers.

By way of comparison, during my tour in Afghanistan the Army had me taking mefloquine hydrochloride (under the brand name Lariam) as a preventative measure against contracting malaria. Proven side affects include depression, irritability, vivid nightmares and hallucinations during waking hours.

(And Afghanistan is a land-locked country. Which was suffering a seven-year drought when I arrived. Do you think I saw a single fucking mosquito? )
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by MangyK9
The validity of this study is perfectly summed up in the final paragraph:
I don't know if you were being serious or not... but I don't see how any of those things has any definitive effect on the validity of the study. I'm not commenting on the validity of the study, I'm just saying the items you quoted are not grounds to dismiss a study.

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Two of the authors of the study were invited experts on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs Cannabis Review in 2005.
What does this imply beyond the fact that they are considered experts in the field?

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Several authors reported being paid to attend drug company-sponsored meetings related to marijuana,
Yeah? Are you familiar with the medical and scientific fields? Most meetings and conferences are sponsered by somebody, and in the case of medical-related fields, it is often drug companies. Also, almost all scientists (in the major sciences, anyway) go to any conference or meeting that they are presenting information at for free... someone pays, but it isn't the scientist.

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and one received consulting fees from companies that make antipsychotic medications.
And? A company hires an expert in the field to consult with them on some of their R&D... this happens all the time. Would you rather the experts didn't consult for drug companies? Maybe just have graduate students or fry cooks consult for them?

Also, even if there was something fishy... why would a company making antipsychotics want this information released? If marijuana did increase the risk of various psychoses, wouldn't the company want warnings hidden and marijuana legalized so that more people would need their drugs?

If the company did pay these guys off... they did a bad job.
post #12 of 22
Most of the "THC causes psychosis" theory they posit is neutered by their admission that they have no idea about pre-existing conditions. It's just as possible, if not more likely, that they netted a fair share of mentally ill folks using weed to self-medicate.
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Phil!
Most of the "THC causes psychosis" theory they posit is neutered by their admission that they have no idea about pre-existing conditions. It's just as possible, if not more likely, that they netted a fair share of mentally ill folks using weed to self-medicate.
Yeah, it looks like a case of correlation but with no proof of causation. However, there always needs to be a first step. This will lead to studies that will attempt to control for that as much as they can.

Also, I find it interesting when depressed people smoke weed... which is a depressant... c'mon now, get with the program... they should be doing speed!
post #14 of 22
Weed's not a depressant, it's a psychoactive drug. Booze is a depressant which is widely used by depressed people.
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by Phil!
Most of the "THC causes psychosis" theory they posit is neutered by their admission that they have no idea about pre-existing conditions. It's just as possible, if not more likely, that they netted a fair share of mentally ill folks using weed to self-medicate.
Post hoc ergo proper hoc is widely known. However, this does not mean that pot use is any safer or healthier, or that we should be less concerned with marijuana use. If anything, it means that if you or someone you know uses pot, they should seek assistance from mental health professionals to determine their current mental health status and help them resolve any current issues and try to reduce both their pot use and their risk of further and worsening mental health issues.
post #16 of 22
Remind me never to party with YOU.
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by Phil!
Weed's not a depressant, it's a psychoactive drug. Booze is a depressant which is widely used by depressed people.
Being a psychoactive drug and a depressant are not mutually exclusive.

I just did a quick search and found:

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Cannabis is a depressant drug
from an Australian (that is .au, right?) government site: http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/b...a?OpenDocument

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A mild hallucinogen, marijuana has some of alcohol’s depressant and disinhibiting properties.
from the American Council for Drug Education web site: http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm

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Basic Summary for Marijuana abuse... Illicit depressant/hallucinogenic drug
from some random disease/symptom compiling database: http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/m/marijuana/basics.htm

I'm certainly no expert, but from everything I had heard previously, marijuana is generally considered to be a depressant... although I will admit it does have one particular stimulant property: increasing heart rate, and I do know that marijuana can affect individuals in slightly different manners, but, like I said, I believe it is generally considered to be a depressant as far as I know.
post #18 of 22
Hey, don't Bogart that joint, Phil.
post #19 of 22
Shit, I must have been high when I typed that. Carry on.
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by Phil!
Remind me never to party with YOU.
I'm high on life!
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by Belethedheliel
I'm high on life!
Do you roll life up and smoke it? Or do it you bake life into brownies?
post #22 of 22
I lick life's back and then trip balls in the desert.
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