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post #2601 of 3736
4/26/08 at 2:03pm
I think I'm drawing the conclusion that Ben has SLIGHTLY more control over this time travel stuff then Desmond has. If he was able to control it fully, I would think he would use it to get himself out of a lot of the beatings and such he's had to endure and such.
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post #2602 of 3736
4/26/08 at 2:59pm
Well I would think that there was a machine that does it. I mean I doubt that it's Ben's power, I think there is probably a room we haven't seen yet that does it. Although I bet the machine probably isn't an exact science either which is why he wasn't 100% on what year it would be.
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post #2603 of 3736
4/26/08 at 3:15pm
We know there's a "magic box" that was able to bring Locke's dad to the island, but Ben also told Locke the box was metaphorical. Either way, Jacob or the island has a way of transporting people to and fro places.

On another note, I don't like the theory that Ben and Widmore are each other's constants. Faraday explained Desmond being unstuck in time as a side effect of exposure to large amounts of radiation and passing through the forcefield that surrounds the island. Further, Desmond couldn't control where he was jumping back and forth from. We also know that finding a constant "resticks" one's consciousness to the correct time frame so one doesn't die. It just dosn't make sense for Ben and/or Widmore to be going through all that right now.
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post #2604 of 3736
4/26/08 at 5:33pm
Exactly. I saw that Darlton said they are very interested in some Swedish?? physicists work right now with particle accelerators and it will work into Lost. So maybe somehow they can "unstick you from time" but then there isnt really much control. I just think this is basically what the Orchid will turn out to be.

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I'll add to the chorus that that's what I thought as well, especially with Ben's tit-for-tat of going after Penny.

And I don't think the time-travel stuff is the Jules Verne kind where they can just zap themselves into any decade they want. I don't think they have as much control over it as many here seem to think. Why else would Ben have to ask what year it was?
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post #2605 of 3736
4/26/08 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Bell View Post
Darlton
Please, god, stop this.

And I don't think there's any intentional time travel going on with how Ben got off the island. I think there's a teleporter, and he's aware of the time dilation effects that occur when travelling to and from the island, and he was worried that he may have arrived too early or too late.

Same deal with Doc Throatcut. His floating corpse drifted over to the island at a heading that made him wash up on shore before he actually got killed.
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post #2606 of 3736
4/26/08 at 11:31pm
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post
May I ask what it was about this particular episode that made you suddenly decide this?
I'm a few weeks behind the US showings, so I've been unable to join in the speculation and fun, but it was one of the first episodes of Season 4. The one that shunted aside beloved characters in favour of Obnoxious Asian Ghosthunter and White Woman Whose Only Outstanding Characteristic Is That She Has An English Accent.

I miss the relative simplicty of Boone.
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post #2607 of 3736
4/27/08 at 3:53am
New favorite part:

(After seeing the smoke monster rip shit up)

Miles: Uh, I think I'm gonna stick with you guys.
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post #2608 of 3736
4/27/08 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
Please, god, stop this.
killed.
I'm sorry you have a hard time reading the word Darlton. Keep your mouth shut if you don't have any defense. But the little baby is annoyed.
Waaa Waaa Waaa I dont like Reading it!!!

Cry me a fucking river, GUY!
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post #2609 of 3736
4/27/08 at 9:35am
Even better is when Ben firsts get the shotty out and Sawyer thinks hes gonna kill them.
His face when ben hands it out to him is priceless

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New favorite part:

(After seeing the smoke monster rip shit up)

Miles: Uh, I think I'm gonna stick with you guys.
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post #2610 of 3736
4/27/08 at 10:51am
Watched this past episode again last night. 'Changing the rules' meaning going after family is off-limits makes the most sense to me now. I initially felt that Ben had probably done enough time-travelling up to this point to already know that Alex was going to die in his war with Widmore. Suppose not.

Other randomness from this viewing:

- When googley-eyed Kate was talking to Jack about his current condition and giggled "crackers always make me feewul better", I fantasized Jack coming back with a sarcastic laugh and something like "Really? That's amazing!".

- Watching the smoke monster scene this time, I had the Sawyer/Han and Hurley/Chewie comparisons people have made in my head and had to laugh. All that was missing is Hurley being called a "big furry oaf".

- I have to admit that Bernard earned some cool points for me when he busted out Faraday.
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post #2611 of 3736
4/27/08 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Bell View Post
Edit: Lisa, yeah just watched it your right...but still some people consider it spoiler
Nope, it's not. If it was on the show, it's not a spoiler. And part of the show are the previews.
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On another note, I don't like the theory that Ben and Widmore are each other's constants.
Plus, when Desmond asked Daniel if your constant could be another person, Daniel said yes, but your constant has to be someone or something you really care about. And I doubt that Ben and Widmore care about each other, aside from hating each other. So, yeah, I agree, I'm not buying that theory either.
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post #2612 of 3736
4/27/08 at 1:01pm
A friend of mine reminded me that Charlotte Lewis found that Hydra station polar bear tag in Tunisia. There's gotta be some (time?) portal from the island to the desert in Tunisia.

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Nope, it's not. If it was on the show, it's not a spoiler. And part of the show are the previews.

Plus, when Desmond asked Daniel if your constant could be another person, Daniel said yes, but your constant has to be someone or something you really care about. And I doubt that Ben and Widmore care about each other, aside from hating each other. So, yeah, I agree, I'm not buying that theory either.
I don't consider previews a part of the show. But at the same time, I won't get up in arms if people talk about them. I used to, but it's just futile to remain completely spoiler free of this show.

I think Faraday meant the constant needed to provide an emotional connection of any kind, so hatred could connect the two. But I still think the theory as a whole is unlikely.
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post #2613 of 3736
4/27/08 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by Paul McCartney View Post
I'm a few weeks behind the US showings, so I've been unable to join in the speculation and fun, but it was one of the first episodes of Season 4. The one that shunted aside beloved characters in favour of Obnoxious Asian Ghosthunter and White Woman Whose Only Outstanding Characteristic Is That She Has An English Accent.

I miss the relative simplicty of Boone.
If you really want to bail, I won't stop you, but seriously, you're going to miss out on what has so far been the best season of the show. Including a really amazing Desmond episode in about three weeks, your time.
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post #2614 of 3736
4/27/08 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
I don't consider previews a part of the show. But at the same time, I won't get up in arms if people talk about them. I used to, but it's just futile to remain completely spoiler free of this show.
Damnit!!! I was hoping for a Diva vs. LisaNY catfight
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post #2615 of 3736
4/27/08 at 3:37pm
I generally try to avoid previews for shows I know I'm going to watch anyway, as I like to go in as "fresh" as possible, so if you'd like to humor me by marking talk about it, that would be great. I'm not going to throw a fit about it either way, though.
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post #2616 of 3736
4/27/08 at 3:53pm
The problem with ABC's promos is that they give away major plot points ("Find out another Oceanic 6!!!!). I especially hate when they tout "Someone will DIE!!!" and then I spend the whole episode either trying to figure out who it is or pissed that I know who it isn't (based on which Lostie is being featured). I like not knowing that it's coming (e.g., Alex). It makes their death that much more poignant.
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post #2617 of 3736
4/27/08 at 4:57pm
I remember my girlfriend ruined that moment because when she looked over at me, I had the same profile shot of Ben going on. I couldn't bleeding believe it.
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post #2618 of 3736
4/27/08 at 5:15pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Bell View Post
I'm sorry you have a hard time reading the word Darlton. Keep your mouth shut if you don't have any defense. But the little baby is annoyed.
Waaa Waaa Waaa I dont like Reading it!!!

Cry me a fucking river, GUY!
Wow. It's pretty fucking simple, dipshit. If you want to refer to Lindelof and Cuse, take the three extra seconds to actually type out their fucking names. Contracting their first names into "Darlton" just makes you look like a lazy fucking retard. It ranks up there with deliberately misspelling Wachowski and putting (sic) at the end in "things that make it look like the internet is full of dim-witted shutins."
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post #2619 of 3736
4/27/08 at 8:24pm
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Bencave
Nice. Also, great episode.
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post #2620 of 3736
4/28/08 at 2:42am
An idiotic theory that is gaining steam at another message board I go to:

When Ben went into the Bencave, he actually traveled through time and killed all those Widmore Mercenaries outside in New Otherton. He either hunted them down one by one over a long period of time or did it all in one fell swoop right there. Then, when he came out, the smoke monster was "course-correcting" the situation and "erased" all those people because Ben already killed them and that's why he knew Smokey was coming. When I suggested that maybe Ben knew Smokey was coming because he either summoned him or spoke with Jacob and Jacob sent Smokey, I get "well, why did they show him do what appears to be travel through time and end up in Tunisia earlier in the episode?? That was Ben on his trip to kill the guys in the jungle."

Seriously, the only thing I don't like about this show is the completely moronic theories it causes people to toss out and cling to as if it's the meaning of life and completely irrefutable.
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post #2621 of 3736
4/28/08 at 2:53am
My own theory on the use of Smokey:

When Ben went into the Bencave, he spoke with Jacob. He told Jacob about Widmore and the soldiers he had there on the island, that Widmore was coming to harm the island and that he needed Jacob's help. He asked Jacob to send Smokey and Jacob complied, but told Ben that he had to bring Locke to see him.
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post #2622 of 3736
4/28/08 at 10:13am
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My own theory on the use of Smokey:

When Ben went into the Bencave, he spoke with Jacob. He told Jacob about Widmore and the soldiers he had there on the island, that Widmore was coming to harm the island and that he needed Jacob's help. He asked Jacob to send Smokey and Jacob complied, but told Ben that he had to bring Locke to see him.
That's pretty good but it ignores one thing: Why did Locke and Ben insist that Hurley lead them to Jacob's cabin if Ben already had access to it?

Unless Jacob wanted Hurley as well as Locke.
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post #2623 of 3736
4/28/08 at 10:27am
Yeah, that doesn´t sound too far out of the realms of possibilty. But there is another thing that doesn´t vibe with me. I was under the impression in the infamous Locke/Ben/Jacob scene that subsequently led to the shooting of Locke by Ben, that Ben somehow lost contact or a way to communicate with Jacob.
But that could have been either another manipulation by Ben or I am just reading that scene wrong.
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post #2624 of 3736
4/28/08 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by TURBO-1984 View Post
That's pretty good but it ignores one thing: Why did Locke and Ben insist that Hurley lead them to Jacob's cabin if Ben already had access to it?

Unless Jacob wanted Hurley as well as Locke.
I've been thinking that it has to do with each of them possessing a portion of what's necessary to commune with Jacob/the Island. Without all three of them, true communication may not be possible.

Ben, judging from the The Man Behind the Curtain, can see Jacob, but not hear him.

Locke, as we see in the same episode, can hear Jacob.

Hurley, as we find out this season, can locate Jacob (or can be located by Jacob), and can perhaps 'see' Jacob in different guises (it was through Hurley's eyes that we saw Christian in the chair, yes?)

I like this, because it plays with symbology and themes in the way Lost seems to love to do. The three of them make up a sort of strange 'holy trinity,' and could also loosely represent the 'see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil' triad.

All speculative nonsense of course. But that's what I love to do with this show.
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post #2625 of 3736
4/28/08 at 12:17pm
I've been thinking it would have been interesting if, by the end of their respective and overlapping stories, an argument could be made that neither Ben nor Widmore is a "bad" man. But that would at the very least require dismissing the deaths of innocent people they've caused. Still, do you think Ben and Widmore just have opposing visions of what the greater good is for the island or are one or both of them driven solely by selfish motivations?
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post #2626 of 3736
4/28/08 at 11:20pm
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Originally Posted by TURBO-1984 View Post
That's pretty good but it ignores one thing: Why did Locke and Ben insist that Hurley lead them to Jacob's cabin if Ben already had access to it?

Unless Jacob wanted Hurley as well as Locke.
I watched the scene again. Locke says Hurley is going with them as well. Ben never says anything. But remember, Ben knows that Hurley saw the cabin, so he probably understands why Locke wants Hugo to tag along and won't fight it. Ben might be thinking it cannot hurt for him to come along...and if Jacob "allowed" Hurley to see his cabin, then Jacob has a reason for that.

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Yeah, that doesn´t sound too far out of the realms of possibilty. But there is another thing that doesn´t vibe with me. I was under the impression in the infamous Locke/Ben/Jacob scene that subsequently led to the shooting of Locke by Ben, that Ben somehow lost contact or a way to communicate with Jacob.
But that could have been either another manipulation by Ben or I am just reading that scene wrong.
I think Ben wanted to horde Jacob to himself. He took Locke to see him, hoping that nothing would happen. He was wrong and with Ben being so power-hungry back then, he decided to eliminate his competition.

I think Jacob's "HELP ME" wasn't a cry for help in terms of Jacob's well-being, but rather the island's safety. Help me protect this island.
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post #2627 of 3736
4/29/08 at 12:20am
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I've been thinking it would have been interesting if, by the end of their respective and overlapping stories, an argument could be made that neither Ben nor Widmore is a "bad" man. But that would at the very least require dismissing the deaths of innocent people they've caused. Still, do you think Ben and Widmore just have opposing visions of what the greater good is for the island or are one or both of them driven solely by selfish motivations?
Ben definitely sees himself as a "good guy", greater good and all that, but Widmore I think is just purely selfish, wanting the island for himself, perhaps for power and money gains and all that. I assumed he just wanted the island for power purposes, but the conversation they had lead me to think different.

And I love how he told Ben not to "look at me with those creepy eyes of yours."
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post #2628 of 3736
4/29/08 at 12:20am
I also just rewatched the episode. I don't know if I like Ben controlling Smokey. It's one thing to have it attack the mercenaries, but it doesn't make sense why Ben would go after Eko or the pilot of Flight 815, for example.

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I watched the scene again. Locke says Hurley is going with them as well. Ben never says anything. But remember, Ben knows that Hurley saw the cabin, so he probably understands why Locke wants Hugo to tag along and won't fight it. Ben might be thinking it cannot hurt for him to come along...and if Jacob "allowed" Hurley to see his cabin, then Jacob has a reason for that.
Locke only wanted Hurley because Ben reminded him that Hurley saw the cabin (in an earlier scene). Further, while Ben doesn't say anything, he gives a look to Locke that basically tells him he better not let Hurley leave with Sawyer. It may have been Locke holding the gun, but it was clearly Ben in charge.

I don't think Smokey and Jacob are the same entity. Ben doesn't know where Jacob is, but he knows where Hurley said he last saw the cabin. It'll be up to Hurley to lead them the rest of the way (or rather Jacob will come to them - as Hurley previously tried to run from the cabin and Jacob kept appearing to him).
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post #2629 of 3736
4/29/08 at 12:33am
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I also just rewatched the episode. I don't know if I like Ben controlling Smokey. It's one thing to have it attack the mercenaries, but it doesn't make sense why Ben would go after Eko or the pilot of Flight 815, for example.



Locke only wanted Hurley because Ben reminded him that Hurley saw the cabin (in an earlier scene). Further, while Ben doesn't say anything, he gives a look to Locke that basically tells him he better not let Hurley leave with Sawyer. It may have been Locke holding the gun, but it was clearly Ben in charge.

I don't think Smokey and Jacob are the same entity. Ben doesn't know where Jacob is, but he knows where Hurley said he last saw the cabin. It'll be up to Hurley to lead them the rest of the way (or rather Jacob will come to them - as Hurley previously tried to run from the cabin and Jacob kept appearing to him).
Yeah, I don't think Ben controls it 100%. My guess is that Jacob controls it and it was in a dormant state when we went to Jacob's cabin last year. The black circle of ash was it in a dormant state.
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post #2630 of 3736
4/29/08 at 9:50am
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I watched the scene again. Locke says Hurley is going with them as well. Ben never says anything. But remember, Ben knows that Hurley saw the cabin, so he probably understands why Locke wants Hugo to tag along and won't fight it. Ben might be thinking it cannot hurt for him to come along...and if Jacob "allowed" Hurley to see his cabin, then Jacob has a reason for that.
I'm actually pretty sure that it is Ben who tells Locke that they need Hurley to find Jacob.

Am I smoking crack?
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post #2631 of 3736
4/29/08 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by Syd View Post
Ben definitely sees himself as a "good guy", greater good and all that, but Widmore I think is just purely selfish, wanting the island for himself, perhaps for power and money gains and all that. I assumed he just wanted the island for power purposes, but the conversation they had lead me to think different.

And I love how he told Ben not to "look at me with those creepy eyes of yours."
Whereas I think an argument can be made on Widmore's behalf, provided that Widmore was the financing force behind Dharma. We don't know if that's the case yet, but if it is:

Dharma, if you believe their videos and the various online information about them from websites and such (and who is to say that they didn't believe their own hype?) believed it was going to make the world a better place.

They were supposedly developing life extension techniques among other things, and one can argue that Dharma, and by extension Widmore, are exploiting the Island for the benefit of mankind. It's not a dissimilar argument to the ones that loggers and oil companies make: "Sure, its great to say "Earth first," but something has to keep the houses warm in the winter, and the tree-hugger types aren't coming up with anything."

From that perspective, Widmore would be the good guy. He'd be Louis Pasteur, attempting to harvest the Island's secrets for his own financial gain, sure, yay capitalism...but also for the health and well-being of the world at large.

And from Widmore's POV, what is Ben doing with the Island, really? He's keeping its bounty from the world. He's standing in the way of progress.

Devil's advocate, anyway.
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post #2632 of 3736
4/29/08 at 11:31am
Question:

When Ben goes to meet Widmore, he opens the bedroom door and behind him on the wall in the hallway is a painting. To me it looks like a painting of the island. Anyone else catch that or have an opinion on it?

Also: if the island was always Widmore's and the island has been "on the map" har har since Black Rock then I'd think he's somehow connected to that ship or Hanso or something.

Also: Ben isn't what's her name's real father right? Yet the whole episode and the rest of the series is about his revenge. What's going on there.
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post #2633 of 3736
4/29/08 at 11:35am
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Also: Ben isn't what's her name's real father right? Yet the whole episode and the rest of the series is about his revenge. What's going on there.
Barring any twisty reveal, Ben has raised Alex since she was a baby. In every sense except the biological one, he is her father.

Adoptive parents love their children as much as biological parents. If a girl I'd raised by myself was executed in front of my eyes I'd want violent revenge on those responsible. Wouldn't you?
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post #2634 of 3736
4/29/08 at 11:37am
Well, he's not his biological father, but when you raise a kid for about 18 years, I imagine even someone like Ben is going to feel something for her sudden and tragic exit.

Edit: Jesse beat me to it.
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post #2635 of 3736
4/29/08 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by Doc Happenin View Post
Well, he's not his biological father, but when you raise a kid for about 18 years, I imagine even someone like Ben is going to feel something for her sudden and tragic exit.

Edit: Jesse beat me to it.
Doc Happenin, your avatar makes me grin. No idea what it is, but it's the visual equivalent of Smilex. Sunny Happy Fun Time!
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post #2636 of 3736
4/29/08 at 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by Jesse Custer View Post
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Adoptive parents love their children as much as biological parents.
Which is enough to play chicken with her life when there's a gun to her head, apparently.
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post #2637 of 3736
4/29/08 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
I also just rewatched the episode.

Locke only wanted Hurley because Ben reminded him that Hurley saw the cabin (in an earlier scene). Further, while Ben doesn't say anything, he gives a look to Locke that basically tells him he better not let Hurley leave with Sawyer. It may have been Locke holding the gun, but it was clearly Ben in charge.
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I'm actually pretty sure that it is Ben who tells Locke that they need Hurley to find Jacob.

Am I smoking crack?
See my post above.

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Which is enough to play chicken with her life when there's a gun to her head, apparently.
Well, Ben was convinced she wouldn't be killed because of some sort of rules he and Widmore were abiding by.
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post #2638 of 3736
4/29/08 at 12:45pm
I understand that adoptive parents love their kids as much as regular parents but I don't know just seems like there's more to it.

But I guess he did let us know how it happened, his I stole her from a crazy woman thing.
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post #2639 of 3736
4/29/08 at 12:49pm
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Which is enough to play chicken with her life when there's a gun to her head, apparently.
Yeah, if he wasn't so fucking evil I'd almost feel bad for him. He not only played chicken with her life (and lost), he sent her away from the camp to get her captured in the first place.

My problem is, he's going to fucking kill Penny! like, of Desmond and Penny, Penny! .. Why couldn't vengeance be taken in the form of a cutting off of limbs, after all if the island is preventing him from killing him, it said nothing about the removal of appendages, go all boxing helena on his ass.
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post #2640 of 3736
4/29/08 at 1:52pm
The "spoiler" about Jack from the preview for this weeks episode explains (imo) how he ends up being one of the Oceanic 6. It also explains his guilt about being back home and his burning desire to get back.
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post #2641 of 3736
4/29/08 at 2:32pm
I think Ben was shocked at Alex's death because he already knew something about a future timeline. That she was still alive in that future timeline and that he thinks Widmore affected it.
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post #2642 of 3736
4/29/08 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by Kirby Drummond View Post
Question:

When Ben goes to meet Widmore, he opens the bedroom door and behind him on the wall in the hallway is a painting. To me it looks like a painting of the island. Anyone else catch that or have an opinion on it?

Also: if the island was always Widmore's and the island has been "on the map" har har since Black Rock then I'd think he's somehow connected to that ship or Hanso or something.

Also: Ben isn't what's her name's real father right? Yet the whole episode and the rest of the series is about his revenge. What's going on there.
The painting in the hall might be the island....not definitive, though. We do see plants and what looks like a mountaintop. Widmore has a painting of the Black Rock next to his bed.
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post #2643 of 3736
4/29/08 at 3:08pm
You are talking about this picture? Could be very well the island and it wouldn´t be surprising considering that Widmore seems to collect everything related to the island.
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post #2644 of 3736
4/29/08 at 3:08pm
I hate being late to party...
  • Arguably, a teleporter would bend space-time to connect two points (essentially creating a temporary wormhole.) Ideally, this connection is at the same point of time, but any instability could throw off the time axis meaning it is connected to the future or past. Assuming there some sort of teleporter, Ben verifying the date is just making sure it worked properly.
  • I didn't really think about him wearing a parka, but it's easily covered if the teleporter requires frigid temperatures to operate.
  • October 2005 would be after Sun had her baby, so there goes the idea that each flash forward was moving closer to the 'rescue'. Dammit, I really liked that prediction.
  • The bald man definitely worked for Widmore. However, if his only job was to tail Sayid to see if he ever slipped with his 'rescue' story, then Ben killed Nadia. The more I think about this, the more I believe that it is the case.
  • Manipulative Ben was creepy, but Ben on the avenging warpath is absolutely terrifying.
  • Stream of consciousness deduction (facts need not apply): The Black Rock was owned and captained by Magnus Hanso. Magnus laid claim to the Island when he shipwrecked there. It was eventually passed down to his great-grandson Alvar Hanso. Alvar turned it over to the Hanso Foundation for use by the Dharma Initiative. Widmore is now the head of whatever remains of the Hando Foundation, so the Island is his.
  • Ben was shocked that the mercs killed Alex because it broke the rules; as Devin said, there doesn't need to be more to it than that. Ben didn't go after Widmore's family which he very easily could have (as their meeting proved) and likely expected the same in return. Since Alex was always safe on the Island, there were no grounds to test whether Widmore would honor this. Finally given the opportunity, he didn't.
  • Ben cannot kill Widmore, because the Island wants him alive.
  • So now that the Sayid's hit list isn't about killing his way through to Widmore, who exactly is he killing and to what end? I'm certain it's to hurt Widmore, but I'm curious about whether it's connected to finding Penny.
  • If it is, Sayid v. Desmond isn't going to be pretty and it's Sayid in the coffin.
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post #2645 of 3736
4/29/08 at 3:15pm
Some interesting tidbid I came across that I haven´t seen mentioned here:
If you taken for granted that the island is somewhere in the southpacific near Australia, Tunesia would be pretty much the exact opposite spot on the other half of the world.
Don´t know what to make of it but it is certainly intriguing...
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post #2646 of 3736
4/29/08 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Well, Ben was convinced she wouldn't be killed because of some sort of rules he and Widmore were abiding by.
I don't know, he seemed a little doubtful. My point is not really that adoptive parents don't love their kids, but that Ben, being an evil genius compulsive manipulator, is a pretty shitty parent.
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post #2647 of 3736
4/29/08 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by R's Wart View Post
[*]If it is, Sayid v. Desmond isn't going to be pretty and it's Sayid in the coffin.[/LIST]
This doesn't work with the newspaper story, though. For one, Sayid's definitely not a New Yorker. Second, he was well-known as one of the Oceanic Six - it would have been big news, which would warrant more than the tiny item we saw Jack reading last season.

Since the writers seem to be setting up a big Ben vs. Widmore arc, though, it seems less likely that it's Ben in the coffin. It also seems less and less likely that it's Michael, if only because they made such a big deal about bringing Perrineau back, and he's barely gotten any screentime this season.
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post #2648 of 3736
4/29/08 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
It also seems less and less likely that it's Michael, if only because they made such a big deal about bringing Perrineau back, and he's barely gotten any screentime this season.
True, but just because he's going to end up in the coffin (I hope so anyway, since it still makes the most thematic sense) doesn't mean he can't continue to be on the show in the present. The flash forward might clue us into what happens to him eventually, but I bet he winds up back on the island.

Or not. Remember, he tells Sayid that he's on the boat "to die."
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post #2649 of 3736
4/29/08 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post
True, but just because he's going to end up in the coffin (I hope so anyway, since it still makes the most thematic sense) doesn't mean he can't continue to be on the show in the present. The flash forward might clue us into what happens to him eventually, but I bet he winds up back on the island.

Or not. Remember, he tells Sayid that he's on the boat "to die."
Yeah, I admit I'm basing my opinion on a production perspective rather than a plot one. He still seems like one of the more likely coffin occupants from the clues we have, but I just think it's weird to list him as a regular, thereby defeating the surprise of his reappearance, barely use him this season, then promptly kill him off.

Granted, he can still be a regular, of sorts, until "present" time catches up with Jack's flash-forward, but his character development would carry a lot less weight from here on out if we knew he were destined to die in the near future (as we're supposed to find out who's in the coffin this season).
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post #2650 of 3736
4/29/08 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by R's Wart View Post
I hate being late to party...
  • If it is, Sayid v. Desmond isn't going to be pretty and it's Sayid in the coffin.
Interesting theory, but I doubt it. If one of the Oceanic 6 gets swarmed by media when merely entering a vehicle, it stands to reason that his funeral would be attended by at least one person. I suppose Sayid could have been operating undercover for Ben under a false name, but someone probably would have recognized his face.
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