LOST - Season 4 - Page 75

Awesome what people tend to remember over the course of four seasons. Kudos, Sir.

But this made me think about the structure that lies ahead of us. There are two seasons left, something like 34 episodes? And while I don´t think they will answer every single detailed that we where obsessed about over the last few years I wonder how they gonna tie up all the bigger mysteries of the show. I think the show might tip into new territory because of that. While they will surely be able to put the pieces together in typical Lost-style I think the time of introducing complete new mysteries to us should be over by now. It could be all about the art of completing the picture without suspending the suspense now.

Let's count his toes, then I'll put the idea to rest.

Good call. I keep on forgetting that. Have to add the toes the the pressing mysteries permanently.

Plus, on the trust fund front, I imagine anything like that reverts back to her father when she is declared dead.

I remember that now. Kind of shoots my assumption full of holes. It also makes me think that her dad was a bigger prick than I originally thought. What daughter of a multi-million(billion?)aire doesn't have a trust fund?

For some real good discussion on how the Casimir effect might explain some of the sci-fi aspects of Lost, go to iTunes or here: http://thelostcommunity.blogspot.com and download The Lost Community Podcast - Episode 48. The theory from Lostpedia (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Physics/Theories) that the hosts reference and expand on for a few minutes is either mind-blowing or harebrained, but I find it extremely interesting. This part of the discussion starts at about the 33 minute mark. And no, I'm not engaging in shillification here.

I'm re-watching Season 1 now, and a question: During the "White Rabbit" episode, at one point, Charlie tells Jack that he can't swim. Did he get swimming lessons before deep-sea diving to the Hydra, or was that just a continuity flub?

Some guy futzed with the audio and pumped up the levels of what Sawyer said to Kate. It strikes me as something akin to what that other guy did when they tried to figure out what Bill said to Scarlett in Lost in Translation. Still, it's a nice little piece that certainly opens up season 5 for what Kate's doing. I think the subtitles may be a little leading in that you're now listening for the words because you've already read them.

Anyways, check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5W2-dvSzKk

Whoa! Love the two links. Thanks for posting guys.

Charlie couldn't swim. He tied weights around him so he'd drop to the bottom of the ocean.

lostiie92 (7 hours ago)
omg that is so true!
Josh Holloway deserves to be nominated for something. he can freaking act!!

Sorry, this is wrong. In the very same episode, we see one of his greatest "hits" being when his Dad taught him how to swim. I've read a fan's explanation being he had drugs in his pocket in the earlier ep and didn't want them to get wet....but I think it's just a mistake.

His dad tried to teach him how to swim, but I don't recall him succeeding. We see Charlie jump in the water and his dad catch him. But I don't know if he actually swam by himself. I could be misremembering, though.

Edit: I just perused the Lostpedia episode guide for that episode and man do they have a long list of continuity errors/bloopers. As you said, it probably is just a mistake.

J. Wood at Powell's has theorized that this is not a mistake, actually, but rather a subtle narrative clue that time is being altered by the survivors' actions on the island. In other words, prior to Desmond and Charlie's mucking about with fate in season 3, Charlie couldn't swim. Post-mucking about, he could. It ties into the notion of fate 'course-correcting' things.

I'd explain it better myself, but it wouldn't come out half as elegantly as Wood explains it. It's at Powells.com, and its worth your time.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=v--CC_XH3iM&feature=related

Prepare to cry.

Does anyone know or remember the blog/site that did Lost episode recaps, and had some sort of Jack-Tear-O-Meter for the quality of the episode? It was based on how often Jack either cried or teared up. I thought I had it bookmarked, but can't find it.

I won't lie - that last Charlie scene put a good sized lump in my throat. Again.

What? That's not even when Charlie actually died. Desmond and Penny should have been #1.

This has probably been posted, but it's insanely enjoyable:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=or_BGsW7Mgg&feature=related

To be fair it was made and posted before the season finale (and I agree with you).

I meant the Desmond and Penny reunion from "The Constant" which was in the video at #3.

Love the link, Kirbs.

yeah, I noticed that one too. I kinda think he was lying to Jack about not being able to swim because he didn't want to put himself at risk. Old habit as a junkie to lie on instinct alone.

that or he learned, lilving on an island.

probably a continuity fudge.

If you're such a die-hard fan of the show that you'll listen to miscellaneous Lost-related news during the hiatus, the Transmission has a new podcast up. Nothing that exciting unless you're hopelessly devoted*: http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/07...ate-comic-con/

*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEhsx--Tqho

fishbiscuit (God, I hate that handle) has a fairly interesting dissertation on the ladies of Lost from last year here

I loved this season, but watching the first one again, with a newcomer to the show, reminds me just how much I love the whole thing. I hate how you tie things from it to the newer series though, like there was an orchid plant given to someone in one of the episodes and I instantly thought "WOAH foreshadowing". Sometimes all these connections and links frazzle ya!

Genuinely intrigued where 5's gonna take it though. The return of those who left, with the inanimate corpse of another, is either gonna be really amazing or, at times, goddamn ridiculous. And how the hell will they find it?! With a bloody coffin in tow?!

Some stuff coming out of Comic-Con:

'Lost' producers drop hints about next season

A few bread crumbs for Lost fans

A very blurry Dharma video

LA Times has a transcript of the Q&A session at Comic Con

Some interesting tidbits:

- There will be 17 hours of "Lost" each in the next two seasons.

- There'll also be a bigger distinction between the flashbacks and flashforwards next season.

- A Rousseau-themed story will happen next year and Mira Furlan is set to reprise her role despite her apparent death last year, and it will NOT be a flashback episode.

- We'll get more of the history of Richard Alpert next season, including an estimate of his age. Also, we'll get to see his toes. Anyone want to wager there'll be four of them?

- Daniel Faraday will be back but his fellow boat riders have less rosy fates. His notebook will also play a key part.

- Jin and Locke will return to the show, but the producers will not confirm or deny that they are really dead.

- Sawyer and Kate will "see each other again" but the producers seem bent on Kate and Jack ultimately ending up together.

- Vincent will be back next season as well.

the, probable, new ARG site DharmaWantsYou site is supposed to go live today but it seems like it's behind schedule.

I actually thought the LOST Podcast panel was way more interesting than the actual Producers panel since it was where real discussion about the show started instead of just hitting softballs from the audience.

If anyone saw the video of the Dr. from the training videos revealing his real name you can clearly hear Faraday's voice behind the camera.

Lindelof and Cuse did mention that there's a reason why Faraday is wearing a tie on an island.

And I haven't been able to read the whole thread since I fell behind on episodes and just recently caught up but did anyone throw out, someone at CC did, the idea that the polar bears were used in experiments to turn the wheel?

An interesting discussion that arose during the Podcast panel was how the show would end. The idea that some of the surviving six were going to become part of the new Dharma Initiative were thrown around. The reveal of a new Dharma logo is an interesting addition to that theory. Some said Jack ends up turning the wheel himself and the beginning of the first episode when he wakes up on the island is actually the last episode.

But my crazy whackjob theory is: The plan is now to have characters travel back and forth until they can fix most of the problems. And I thought it'd be cool if it ended with Oceanic 815 actually landing in LAX.


And one dude almost had a room full of nerds kill him when he said The Constant episode was the worst.

Should we start a season 5 thread?

I am all for it.

But should we make an all out Season 5 thread and thereby create a juggernaut like last season? Or rather a pre-and a season thread? Threads for single episodes?
Just throwing that thought out there to preempt the bitching.

I am for the first option by the way for reasons of coherence.

I vote for the Pre- and Season threads. Single Episode threads are just a recipe for clutter.

Hmmm...am I reading that correctly, that it's neither a flashback nor a flashforward for Rousseau? Well then, what the hell is it? An alternate reality thing or something equally esoteric? Hmm...

People were assuming they just meant a straightforward "origin" story that would fill in gaps and answer questions.

But they did mention a new third way of telling the characters' stories was going to be used so it could be that new mysterious way,

This source has it worded a bit different:

Taking into account what "Dr. Marvin Candle" reveals in that video as well (Is this spoiler territory?) we might get very close to something like time altering.

Man, if the show becomes a bunch of our heroes traveling through time to undo all the major events and deaths that happened over the last 4 years, I'm going to be fucking pissed.

True. True.

But those little nuggets lend some evidence to that speculation. I am putting it into invisotext, just in case:

- "Death is a relative term on this show" - The producers
- We will see Rousseau again in a flash-something.
- Locke will be back.
- Faraday has a notebook that has stuff written about the past and the future in it that will play a key role in season 5.
- He is featured in the new video as well. And in said video "Dr. Candle" describes events from the future.

This might very well be just another case of me being misled by the producers. But if Schwartz us remotely right I am going to be pissed as well.

Season 5 pre-season thread is up: http://chud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110061