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Well, I Asked for It: The Lunchtime Gross-Out

post #1 of 23
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A few weeks ago, I purchased the book "Slither" by Edward Lee. (It has nothing to do w/ the movie by the same title). The basic premise is giant trichinosis worms (you know, the ones that make you sick when you eat undercooked pork?). They didn't elaborate on the back cover, and I guess I needn't either; it kinda writes itself.

Anyway, there's blurbs all OVER this book about what a graphically violent outlaw writer Edward Lee is. *Pfah!*, think I. I can handle this. Decapatations? Chowing zombies? Brain splattering head shots? Disembowelments? BRING 'EM ON! There's very little that gets to me in most horror fiction, written or visual. Castration & anything involving arachnids seem to be the ones that usually creep me out. So I figuired the authors of these blurbs are a bunch of pussies. And I proceed to start the book this afternoon, where I do most of my reading these days:

Over lunch.

I am pretty proud of the fact that I made a game effort and finished more than 3/4 of my sandwich, and nearly all the fries, but I could not bring myself to finish it. There was a scene in the book involving larval worms and a woman's reproductive organs, and a sex act (& no, it's NOT the obvious one that you're thinking) that grossed even jaded, gore-hound ol' me right the fuck out. The thought of actually chewing the meat in that last mouthful of corned beef/pastrami combo absolutely revolted me, and I had to put it down.

Can't say I wasn't warned, I guess. Anyone else have a similar experience?
post #2 of 23
No, but Edward Lee is always good for turning your stomach. There's a scene in another book (The Pig and The House) where a guy fucks another guy's dick. As in, his urethra. In another (Incubus) there's these alien beings that are having sex with human females, but because their members are too large for them they use this thing that sucks all the bones out of your body while still leaving you alive. They then fuck these flabby pieces of meat and skin that rest in buckets.

And don't get me started on Header. I love it. As disgusting as it gets it's always got this supremely dark humor running through it.

The only thing that ever made me reconsider my meal was when I was watching some real autopsy doc on HBO. Still made it through the food, though.
post #3 of 23
These books sound really bad.
post #4 of 23
Also, for some reason the most extreme subject matter is always something sexual, often linked to severe fucking up of genitalia. Thats' something I've never really understood.
post #5 of 23
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Our genitalia are something we value highly. Fucking them up fucks us up; we feel like less of a man w/o intact reproductive organs. I assume the same is true of women. Violation of a sexual nature is also very terrifying, for both sexes. It's an easy, albeit effective way to get our attention.
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by Gabriel Williams
Also, for some reason the most extreme subject matter is always something sexual, often linked to severe fucking up of genitalia. Thats' something I've never really understood.
Because it's the last taboo. Do what you want to somebody, but throw something sexual into the mix and it becomes infinitely worse.

Look around for the definition of a 'header' to understand...

(edit: Iggy said it better. Loss of genitals is the worst nightmare for a man.)
post #7 of 23
The World Horror Convention always has a Gross Out Contest, where people read their most vile and vomitous works before a packed audience. The best are screamingly funny to boot, and it's not uncommon to laugh till you cry while fighting nausea.

For some reason, last year's event only had six contestants (previous years had double or triple that amount), so as a bonus we got a reading from (I think) Excitable Boys by Ed Lee. No violence, just explicit anal sex with the girl happily eating corn kernels from the shit on the guy's dick, but it was read by guest judge Bill Mosely in the style of Otis Firefly, and he really sold it. Puerile, but goddamn was that funny.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg
Our genitalia are something we value highly. Fucking them up fucks us up; we feel like less of a man w/o intact reproductive organs. I assume the same is true of women. Violation of a sexual nature is also very terrifying, for both sexes. It's an easy, albeit effective way to get our attention.
I suppose you're right, but I don't really get off on that kind of stuff. I do however like the approach of something like Society, which is a full-on social commentary, with body horror and some strange sexual shit thrown in to boot. I guess I don't mind the extreme stuff if it has a point...but if it's just gore for gore's sake, gross-out shit that's defined to shock and sicken, that I don't like. But hey, each to his own.
post #9 of 23
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I'm not sure at this point where Lee falls on this score. This is the 1st of his book s I've attempted reading. I'll reserve final judgment until I'm finished. But, as with films, the gore potential certainly got my attention. Let's see if he holds it.
post #10 of 23
Lee's a strange bird, because he definitely has the chops for social commentary, as his prose is really intelligent and sometimes downright poetic, but for the most part he uses it simply to set up these disgusting situations. I don't think he's an incredible writer but he's definitely a fun one... you can imagine him cackling as he comes up with this crazy shit.

Also- if you want a taste (ahem) http://www.edwardleeonline.com/
post #11 of 23
My unwanted lunchtime gross-out happened last week, and consisted of walking by a grossly obese homeless woman. I wouldn't have cared except I realized what she was doing before I even passed - she dropped trou, ass facing towards traffic both pedestrian and vehicular, and took a piss right on the steps of Eurochow in Westwood.

As you can imagine, I decided against prdering the roast beef sub at Whole Foods.
post #12 of 23
Doesn't Palahniuk read a book at public signings that ALWAYS gets a handful of people in the audience to vomit? Or am I confusing him with someone?
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
Because it's the last taboo. Do what you want to somebody, but throw something sexual into the mix and it becomes infinitely worse.
That's a cue for my continued shilling of Jeff Gelb's "Hot Blood" anthology series. There's an interesting pattern that evolved with those stories where by having the author's intent to cross into the taboo of explicit sexual references, it inadvertently causes them to increase the horrific/gore factor as well. Lee has a couple of entries in the series, but there were quite a few author's who made his entries look like a Koontz made for TV films. The one containing a zombified female forcing a guy to give her oral sex and the resultant worm infested decaying body parts "breaking off" during springs immediately to mind.

This also once again reminds me I need to seek out more of of Lee's work.
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by BTSMGL
Doesn't Palahniuk read a book at public signings that ALWAYS gets a handful of people in the audience to vomit? Or am I confusing him with someone?
Yeah, he's got a story called "Guts" that he always reads in public and is notoriously disgusting. It's in the book "Haunted", which I just got recently, so I'll be finding out real soon.
post #15 of 23
Guts is disgusting. There's a thread in the Culture section of this board about someone who went through something very similar.

I picked up a few of those Hot Blood stories based on Surge's recommendation, and yeah, they're great. Some really sick authors in that series... I've got to pick up more of those.
post #16 of 23
the only Lee novel I have ever found in a bookstore is The Chosen, which was pretty damn good but more sexually perverted than gory. I recently broke down and ordered a bunch off the internets:

Gast
The House/Pig
Bighead
City Infernal
Monstrosity
Infernal Angel
Teh Backwoods
Slither
post #17 of 23
Lee's best in the Hot Blood series has got to be "Mr. Torso" in "Deadly After Dark". A demented idea about a serial killer/rapist committing his crimes purely for profit.

And I just realized Lee was co-author on the story I mentioned above. On second thought, maybe he does rank as one of the sickest authors in that series.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
In another (Incubus) there's these alien beings that are having sex with human females, but because their members are too large for them they use this thing that sucks all the bones out of your body while still leaving you alive. They then fuck these flabby pieces of meat and skin that rest in buckets.
It sounds like they need to team up with the guy from Ray Bradbury's short story "Skeleton."
post #19 of 23
On a lark I stopped in my Barnes & Noble, found Haunted and read "Guts" before I went to lunch. It's a short read, just 3 or 4 pages, and I adored it; people were shooting me looks because I kept snorting with suppressed laughter. Very disgusting, and I loved it. I'll have to check out Haunted from the library.
post #20 of 23
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Drifting off topic just a hair, I had to share this: last night, my wife & I are sitting on the couch. She's watching TV & I'm reading Slither. The paperback edition I have has a hot young woman, monochromed in shades of purple, w/ what can be interpreted as a look of sexual arousal on the visible bottom half of her face, entwined w/ one of the giant worms wrapped around her torso (concealing, unfortunatly, all the naughty bits). My wife looks at the cover & says: "YOU'RE reading a romance novel?!"

I hold the book out & say "Look closer." She does, & despite the presence of the worm, says "It still looks like a romance novel to me." "So far", I reply, "it's been the furthest thing from." I then told her something in the book had grossed me out to the point I couldn't finish my lunch. I spared her the details, but she did say this was a good sign, that there was SOMETHING in the world that could gross me out. Not being a horror fan, I think she finds it vaguely disquieting that I not only am not affected much by gore & violence, but actually kinda enjoy it. . .
post #21 of 23
wasnt it a bret easton ellis book where he was shoving rats up that chick's poonanny? American Psycho....was there a cheese grater involved, or am I just remembering that he lured the rats into the poonanny with cheese? either way, i'm not down with genital mutilation but Hostel 2 took the cake. That was pretty cool.
post #22 of 23
Anyone ever catch that "adult" R.L. Stine book? Superstitious or some such?

It was really sad to read. It felt like he SO wanted to prove it was an adult book, that he put in TONS of nudity, masturbation, giant breasts, blood, gore, semen (yes, semen) and mutilation to prove it.

I only mention it 'cuz I'm getting a faint memory of there being some pretty gruesome gross-out scenes in the book.

Edit: I'll have you know I was like in 7th or 8th grade when I read this, so, back off before you even gang up!
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by Kevin VanNatter
wasnt it a bret easton ellis book where he was shoving rats up that chick's poonanny? American Psycho....was there a cheese grater involved, or am I just remembering that he lured the rats into the poonanny with cheese? either way, i'm not down with genital mutilation but Hostel 2 took the cake. That was pretty cool.
I didn't read the whole book, but a friend of mine who did had me read that scene. I was like 17 or 18 at the time, and as avowed a gorehound back then as I am now. Even then, I thought that scene was MONDO fucked up. He was reading it just because NOW was trying to ban it, and he didn't like the idea of ANYONE telling anyone else what they can & cannot read. When he finished it, he told me it was actually an artistically worthy book, w/ some trenchant social commentary. Only having read select scenes - like the rat scene - I couldn't see how that could be true. It looked like BEE was just going for the over the top violent gross out. I declined to read the book.

Years later I saw the film, and finally, in 15 or so years of historical prespective, understood the social commentary a little better. I now regret not reading this. Maybe I'll look for it.

Besides, the other select scene I read was the one where he kills the little kid in the zoo. That had to be one of the creepiest things I'd ever read, due mainly to his total lack of emotion or remorse about the whole thing. THAT'S worthy horror, social commentary aside.
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