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post #1 of 66
8/8/07 at 1:07am
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Fuck.
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post #2 of 66
8/8/07 at 1:15am
Forget 756. Barry Zito went 5 innings and only gave up 4 runs tonight. Why doesn't Hank Aaron record a congratulatory message for that?
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post #3 of 66
8/8/07 at 1:16am
Fark said it best:

"Bonds hits #756. It happened on a Tuesday, just like 9/11"
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post #4 of 66
8/8/07 at 1:19am
Dammit.
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post #5 of 66
8/8/07 at 1:20am
I had to Google 756* and Atlanta before I figured out WTF this was about.

Hope that helps, knowing that shit wasn't on the radar for some.

Worthless vitamin S pounder.

Bring on A-Rod.
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post #6 of 66
8/8/07 at 1:21am
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I tried to rationalize Bonds a couple of years ago. Now I see him as an evil man. Truly evil. The contempt he has for people. The way he shrugs it off. The man is a cunt.
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post #7 of 66
8/8/07 at 1:26am
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata
I tried to rationalize Bonds a couple of years ago. Now I see him as an evil man. Truly evil. The contempt he has for people. The way he shrugs it off. The man is a cunt.
That's the thing. If this guy had one ounce of anything for the fans, for baseball, for anyone but himself people might actually get behind him for something other than the Ebay quick buck.

From his days playing with Bonilla in Pittsburgh to tonight he has been nothing but a complete and utter asshole. Steroids be damned, he is a prick.

I thought this was a nice addition to reasons to hate the guy.
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post #8 of 66
8/8/07 at 1:37am
Man, I was hoping everyone would just band together and walk the guy. Now THAT would've made great baseball.
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post #9 of 66
8/8/07 at 2:15am
Right after Bonds hit it, Yahoo! Sports' front page was Barry swinging and a big 756 in text. With a huge asterisk next to it. I go back there later, they took the asterisk off. Pussies.
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post #10 of 66
8/8/07 at 2:21am
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Originally Posted by Doc Happenin
Man, I was hoping everyone would just band together and walk the guy. Now THAT would've made great baseball.
I have been preaching this all year, sadly you and I seem to be the only two who were into it.
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata
I tried to rationalize Bonds a couple of years ago. Now I see him as an evil man. Truly evil. The contempt he has for people. The way he shrugs it off. The man is a cunt.
Truer words have never been spoken. Barry bonds is the Anti-Cal Ripken.
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post #11 of 66
8/8/07 at 2:27am
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Originally Posted by Zollicoffer
Right after Bonds hit it, Yahoo! Sports' front page was Barry swinging and a big 756 in text. With a huge asterisk next to it. I go back there later, they took the asterisk off. Pussies.
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post #12 of 66
8/8/07 at 2:28am
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks
I have been preaching this all year, sadly you and I seem to be the only two who were into it.
The last thing he needs to be is a martyr. Best to just suck it up, give him the record, and let the controversy surrounding it be etched in stone with it. Besides, the next guy to challenge the record will be all the more fun to follow.
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post #13 of 66
8/8/07 at 2:32am
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Originally Posted by Chris Anthony
The last thing he needs to be is a martyr. Best to just suck it up, give him the record, and let the controversy surrounding it be etched in stone with it.
Even though he isn't my favorite player, I sure hope A-Rod eclipses Bonds.

And SI.com has quite a set for that little picture montage, awesome.
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post #14 of 66
8/8/07 at 2:33am
I hate that Bonds has the record, but in the grand scheme of things it's a relatively minor issue to me. Baseball turned a blind eye towards this shit for so long, to have Bud Selig, who in fairness may have had his hands tied, I have no idea, play the role of disapproving high school principal because that seems like the most politically correct way to fence sit makes me sick too. People moaning about a statistical record that only has abstract meaning, when pennants and rings were decided, at least in part, due to this stuff just doesn't make sense to me. I understand there's nothing you can do about it after the fact, but it's the exact same thing with Bonds. In my mind he's got the record without an asterisk unless you want to put one next to every result since steroids entered the game.
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post #15 of 66
8/8/07 at 2:38am
Goddamnit! Such a historic night in Giants history and the bullpen can't hold a 2 run lead over the friggin Nationals.
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post #16 of 66
8/8/07 at 2:43am
Is there ever going to be a HR record without an asterisk now? I don't think so. The game has changed. Even if they don't use steroids, the science behind building muscle has changed. Players are bigger now than they were 30 years ago. Aaron was one of the best baseball players of all time, but all numbers reside within a certain context.

I can see how you guys might be bent out of shape being in Atlanta, but you need to get over it. A-Rod will break the record, and who the fuck wants to root for that fag? I'll take a guess that the record will be broken somewhere around 5 times within the next 100 years. The thing is, each record has its own context (including Ruth and Aaron); numbers don't just stand alone.
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post #17 of 66
8/8/07 at 3:08am
I guess the bright side is tha hopefully in a few weeks people can shut up about them. I'm only really a casual fan, but the way all through every game lately all the commentators could talk about was "when's his Homerun gonna come?" it was really annoying.
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post #18 of 66
8/8/07 at 3:16am
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Goddamnit! Such a historic night in Giants history and the bullpen can't hold a 2 run lead over the friggin Nationals.
Even the 'Nats get lucky sometimes.

Anyway, good for Barry and his special helpers I guess.
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post #19 of 66
8/8/07 at 4:52am
In a few years we'll be seeing headlines like "Sociopathic Misanthrope's Steroid Fueled Homerun Record Shattered By Deeply-Closeted Latino!"

And then we'll laugh. Oh how we'll laugh.
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post #20 of 66
8/8/07 at 6:53am
The guy's a douche but, a talented douche nonetheless. The record is his and while the run with Aaron was a great run records are meant to fall even if has to come at the hands of one of the most unlikable men of sports.

Also I remember an old saying that if you're not cheating you're not trying. I wonder if a person even on the juice could still pull something like this off.
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post #21 of 66
8/8/07 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by Zollicoffer
Right after Bonds hit it, Yahoo! Sports' front page was Barry swinging and a big 756 in text. With a huge asterisk next to it. I go back there later, they took the asterisk off. Pussies.
So, yeah, what does the asterisk mean in context here, then?

(Don't follow sports, AT ALL.)
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post #22 of 66
8/8/07 at 8:25am
"756.....but....."
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post #23 of 66
8/8/07 at 8:45am
Did anyone watch it live? Bonds crosses the plate, points up to God and thanks Him for the 3-month cycle of Winstrol, then his teammates come up and gingerly hug him as if he's on fire.

And oh look! Here comes the wife that Barry cheated on a million times, ultimately leading to a series of lawsuits! Ah, what a charming, wonderful moment.
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post #24 of 66
8/8/07 at 8:51am
The funniest part was the six-cop sandwich escorting the dude who caught the home run ball out of the park. It looked like a phalanx, except without the shields, spears and loincloths.
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post #25 of 66
8/8/07 at 9:36am
Well, I never thought I'd say it, but I'm an A-Rod fan now.

FUCK Barry.
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post #26 of 66
8/8/07 at 10:34am
Every time I'm about to get upset about this, I remember that Barry Bonds has ravaged his testicles with years of steroid abuse. And then I don't feel so bad.
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post #27 of 66
8/8/07 at 10:36am
I'm not a Bonds apologist by any stretch, but why is it that you have several pitchers who have admitted to cheating by doctoring the ball in the Hall of Fame, yet Bonds gets eviscerated for using a drug that is now being revealed to have been used by a great number of players during the same era? What makes Bonds' form of cheating so much worse?
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post #28 of 66
8/8/07 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by Gen. Bulldog 54

Also I remember an old saying that if you're not cheating you're not trying. I wonder if a person even on the juice could still pull something like this off.
So you think Barry did this while off the juice, but you wonder if someone could do it while on it? Whathefuck?
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post #29 of 66
8/8/07 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
I'm not a Bonds apologist by any stretch, but why is it that you have several pitchers who have admitted to cheating by doctoring the ball in the Hall of Fame, yet Bonds gets eviscerated for using a drug that is now being revealed to have been used by a great number of players during the same era? What makes Bonds' form of cheating so much worse?
He's an asshole.
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post #30 of 66
8/8/07 at 10:48am
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks
He's an asshole.
So was Ty Cobb.

If he was a happy-go-lucky, jovial guy and spoke to the press and hugged babies and still used steroids, there'd be no issue?
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post #31 of 66
8/8/07 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
I'm not a Bonds apologist by any stretch, but why is it that you have several pitchers who have admitted to cheating by doctoring the ball in the Hall of Fame, yet Bonds gets eviscerated for using a drug that is now being revealed to have been used by a great number of players during the same era? What makes Bonds' form of cheating so much worse?

While B-Metal's response is probably sufficient, I'll add my 2 cents.

First, I personally don't think that admitted cheaters of any kind should be in the Hall. The fact that some have made it in isn't an adequate defense of Bonds, for me anyway.

But second, and more importantly, Bonds's cheating led to him breaking the biggest, most important record in the history of sports. That's what makes it worse, in my opinion.
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post #32 of 66
8/8/07 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
So was Ty Cobb.

If he was a happy-go-lucky, jovial guy and spoke to the press and hugged babies and still used steroids, there'd be no issue?
How do I know Ty Cobb was an asshole? I never seen him on ESPN being a complete fucktard, and does it really make sense to bitch about somebody who was put into the hall in 1936? Also to answer your question, yeah I think a great deal of fans would give two shits about Bonds if he wasn't a prick, need an example? Mark McGwire. We all knew he was on some shit and most didn't care.
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post #33 of 66
8/8/07 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks
How do I know Ty Cobb was an asshole?
Tommy Lee Jones, of course.
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post #34 of 66
8/8/07 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by tcjsavannah
Tommy Lee Jones, of course.
Touche'
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post #35 of 66
8/8/07 at 11:23am
I don't have the energy to care about this anymore. The biggest record in sports and nobody outside of San Fran gives a shit.

The only comfort I can take is that, if he stays healthly, A-Rod will break this "record" soon enough.
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post #36 of 66
8/8/07 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
I'm not a Bonds apologist by any stretch, but why is it that you have several pitchers who have admitted to cheating by doctoring the ball in the Hall of Fame, yet Bonds gets eviscerated for using a drug that is now being revealed to have been used by a great number of players during the same era? What makes Bonds' form of cheating so much worse?
Unlike a spitball or a scuffed ball, steroids cannot be detected on the field of play. Every single time Goose threw a spitter, he ran the risk of being caught. Every scuffball pitcher ran the risk of being found with an emery board at a second's notice. It's gamesmanship.
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post #37 of 66
8/8/07 at 11:39am
Someday Bonds will be redeemed, Severus Snape-like, and you'll all see that even though he was an asshole, he was brave and noble all along.
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post #38 of 66
8/8/07 at 12:10pm
Comparing Bonds to Severus Snape does not strike me as a particularly strong defense.
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post #39 of 66
8/8/07 at 12:38pm
I just like the analogy because it paints Hank Aaron as the Dark Lord of the Baseballing World. We thought he was vanquished, but only Barry's unsung heroics could prevent from returning to power and subjugating all of the MLB, and then, the world...
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post #40 of 66
8/8/07 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by Joe LeFors
Comparing Bonds to Severus Snape does not strike me as a particularly strong defense.
Yeah, but it works on one level. Bonds' misshapen head and ballooned body without the use of steroids is only believable in a fantasy world.
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post #41 of 66
8/8/07 at 12:50pm
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post #42 of 66
8/8/07 at 12:56pm
Gotta love the Post:



I also wonder about these people who point to all Bonds' other stats and say well, steroids and homeruns or not, the rest of his record clearly proves he's one of the greatest to ever play the game. It seems to me that the media vernacular is "performance enhancing drugs" and not "steroids". Are these drugs so smart that the only enhancement they gave him were muscular batting swings and not preternatural skills elsewhere in the game?
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post #43 of 66
8/8/07 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by scsotdc

I also wonder about these people who point to all Bonds' other stats and say well, steroids and homeruns or not, the rest of his record clearly proves he's one of the greatest to ever play the game. It seems to me that the media vernacular is "performance enhancing drugs" and not "steroids". Are these drugs so smart that the only enhancement they gave him were muscular batting swings and not preternatural skills elsewhere in the game?
Yeah, I mean look at the boost in stolen bases it gave him.
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post #44 of 66
8/8/07 at 2:55pm
I hate the Post 99% of the time, but every now and then, they pull out a great front-page. That one got me good.
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post #45 of 66
8/8/07 at 3:13pm
The shame about it all is Bonds would have ended up with 550-600 homers anyways even if he never took a steroid, and was easily in the top 7 or 8 players of all time.

Personally though I think the way the media gets on with Bonds and even MLB in general is complete bullshit though. In the mid 90's they all knew these guys were starting to juice and no one gave a shit because baseball was going though a down period and homer brought everyone back. Its their own fault all of these records fell they should have nipped in the bud years ago but instead they turned a blind eye and the dollars rolled in. The only person I feel bad for is Hank what a classy guy he is even sending off that prerecorded message had to kill him.
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post #46 of 66
8/8/07 at 5:23pm
James Taranto listed it as a Bottom Story of the Day in his Best of the Web column.
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post #47 of 66
8/8/07 at 5:24pm
Someone needs to print some "Not MY Home Run King" shirts and sell them at stadiums! STAT!
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post #48 of 66
8/8/07 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by tcjsavannah
The funniest part was the six-cop sandwich escorting the dude who caught the home run ball out of the park. It looked like a phalanx, except without the shields, spears and loincloths.
Wait, so that's not the official SF Police uniform? Then who was that guy who handcuffed me and patted me down last time I visited the Castro? I thought it was a little excessive for jaywalking, but he sure seemed like he knew what he was doing.
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post #49 of 66
8/8/07 at 7:40pm
Frankly, I think breaking the number is going to be a good thing in the long run if it gets people to understand context. There have been so many changes in baseball over the years that saying that numbers mean the same now as they did then is silly.

300 wins is a lot tougher now than it was in the Dead Ball era where the balls were basically mush and middle infielders, catchers, and centerfielders had all of the power of a Craig Counsell. The low ERAs of the 60s is at least partially in response to high mound. Sports medicine, not just PEDs, is so much more advanced now. Integration raised the level of competition. So does modern day, world wide scouting. And video analysis for players. And teams that use sabremetrics. And there's expansion and a ballpark in Denver. Etc. The idea that it's the same game now as it was when Aaron or Ruth played is an illusion, not reality.
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post #50 of 66
8/8/07 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata
I tried to rationalize Bonds a couple of years ago. Now I see him as an evil man. Truly evil. The contempt he has for people. The way he shrugs it off. The man is a cunt.
Hey! Don't degrade cunts by putting them on the same level as Bonds.
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