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post #1 of 25
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Okay, so I just read this at Bloody-Disgusting (I know, I know, believe me, I looked to see if it had been posted on Creature Corner so I could link that instead). Supposedly that FvJvA treatment from a few years ago is still as dead as dead can be, not for New Line's lack of trying. Bruce Campbell was on board (the man likes to work) but Raimi was reluctant, in addition to some other rights issues (not to mention the fact that Robert Englund, while still keen on doing something else with Freddy, voiced some concerns about still having to do the make up and stunt work as he gets older). Now the story is being dusted off and getting adapted as a comic book.

I haven't been too keen on the horror titles based on all these slasher properties, but I still might have to check this out to see the movie that almost was.

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/9635
post #2 of 25
I admit I kinda liked Freddy vs. jason, but I never liked the Evil Dead Movies, and I don't think Ash is the right tone for a film w/ those two. Granted, they've at times become parodies of themselves, but for the most part still TRY to take themselves seriously. Ash was always played for laughs. Nothing wrong w/ that, just not my cup of tea. And I see this blending as analogous to putting lemon AND milk in tea. Not a good marriage at all.
post #3 of 25
Ash wasn't played purely for laughs until Army of Darkness. Have you actually seen the first two movies?
post #4 of 25
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Originally Posted by Greg David
Ash wasn't played purely for laughs until Army of Darkness. Have you actually seen the first two movies?
Yeah, I actually put all three of these characters in the same boat. As the franchises wore on, they became more and more the focal points. Ash was always the "hero" of the Evil Dead films, but he was basically a male "Final Girl" in the first one and given the spotlight in Evil Dead 2. People dug it and then finally became this self-aware comic book character in Army of Darkness. How else does somebody go from getting defeated by bookshelf after bookshelf to leading an army, with only one film in between?

Same with Freddy, going from last-billed "Fred Krueger" in NOES to having toys and Englund's name before the credits in The Dream Master. And yeah, name one character you remember other than Jason's mother and Tommy Jarvis from the Friday movies. They're all about him now, and he went from super-serious in part 2 to basically anti-hero in F v J.

Shit, what was my point?

No way this movie would have been good, but the treatment was sublimely ridiculous, and it'd be a blast to see Freddy get in a pun-off with Ash.
post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by Greg David
Ash wasn't played purely for laughs until Army of Darkness. Have you actually seen the first two movies?
Yeah, but only once each. And a really long time ago. I really didn't like them all that much. I guess I thought the whole attaching a chainsaw to his stump thing came off like it was being played for laughs, it was that bad. To my mind, anyway.
post #6 of 25
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Originally Posted by Gary Sherman
How else does somebody go from getting defeated by bookshelf after bookshelf to leading an army, with only one film in between?
It's called a character arc.
post #7 of 25
Thread Starter 
I was just giving the character's portrayal in the first film a little good-natured ribbing. And something tells me that in the late 70's they hadn't sat down and decided to send Ash on a time-traveling adventure.
post #8 of 25
I can't help but feel that New Line has seriously dropped the ball on this franchise. FvJ made a ton of money, and you'd think that by this point they'd have a new Nightmare, Friday, or Vs movie ready to go. Then again, maybe New Line is allergic to money these days.

Also, I would think not liking the Evil Dead movies would be akin to sacrilege around these parts. Where's the angry mob?
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg
... but I never liked the Evil Dead Movies.
I weep for you, Iggy.
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Originally Posted by Supremo
Where's the angry mob?
Iggy's a good guy. He doesn't deserve alienation. He clearly needs our help.
post #10 of 25
Oh, man, I'm gonna hate myself for buying this.

Yes, why can't New Line get behind the ball on another Freddy or Jason picture? How hard can it be?
post #11 of 25
The difficulty w/ another F v. J movie, I think, would be in getting a script. The idea behind the 1st was pretty good. Not Pulitzer material, in any sense, but it was internally consistent and had you at least willing to suspend disbelief and not think to yourself: "God, this is so stupid." Pulling that trick again might be tough. Jason ain't too bright, but can even Freddy make him fall for the same trick twice? And now that he came back & scared a new crop of kids, renewing his power thru fear, does he even need Jason anymore? Coming up w/ a plausible explanation for that may take some doing.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by Supremo
IAlso, I would think not liking the Evil Dead movies would be akin to sacrilege around these parts. Where's the angry mob?
Y'know, I've been debating the wisdom of posting something in the "why don't you post in that forum?" thread about how nice we generally are to each other in these parts. There tend to be no angry mobs. Gently administered shock therapy of the kind Darkmite8 proposes is more in line w/ what we do here when someone is being willful and needs to be. . . corrrrected.
post #13 of 25
While not being actually good, Freddy vs Jason was better than I ever could have expected it to be. Of course, it helped to have Alien vs Predator around to demonstrate how disastrously wrong a "Vs" movie could go. At least FVJ didn't flagrantly violate the logic of either of its series.
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by Greg David
At least FVJ didn't flagrantly violate the logic of either of its series.
Well, except for Jason's newfound and pivotal fear of water.
post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg
I guess I thought the whole attaching a chainsaw to his stump thing came off like it was being played for laughs
Ya think?
post #16 of 25
Yes, he was played for laughs in part of II, but not at all in the first film. My point was that he didn't become an all-out comedic creation until Army of Darkness.
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg
.. I never liked the Evil Dead Movies...
I don't KNOW you anymore.
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by Greg David
My point was that he didn't become an all-out comedic creation until Army of Darkness.
One of the main reasons I've never been able to enjoy Army of Darkness. The second film balanced the horror and humor perfectly, but "Army" went into full on Raimi slapstick mode. It helps, I guess, to just look at each film in the series as an entirely different and self contained entity.
post #19 of 25
I'm on the list of people who've found the Evil Dead sequels increasingly difficult to love over time. While the original was brilliance personafied in it's low-budget shock entertainment, the second one only scores for production values, losing most of the charm and love for horror films of the first.

The third loses me early, right when Ash heads out of the city, as it becomes nothing more than a full on "Three Stooges" Episode with horrific elements. I'll still watch them if I spot them on cable, but have lost most of my enthusiasm for any of them over the years.
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by Amphibatron
One of the main reasons I've never been able to enjoy Army of Darkness. The second film balanced the horror and humor perfectly, but "Army" went into full on Raimi slapstick mode. It helps, I guess, to just look at each film in the series as an entirely different and self contained entity.
That's my attitude. I have a friend who sees the second film as more of a remake of the first one than a sequel to it. The case can be made.
post #21 of 25
Ash played for laughs is a bad thing.....how?
post #22 of 25
I can see why people like it; it just didn't do it for me, that's all.
post #23 of 25
A versus flick with all three of them would have been awesome, but at least this comic isn't going to be some new creation. It will at least follow the original story treatment.

I'm on board for the comic. I don't have many of the Army Of Darkness comics, but the Marvel Zombies crossover with Ash seems interesting. I'll have to pick that one up soon.
post #24 of 25
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Personally, I like Army of Darkness for what it is. It's got a very memorable, iconic main character and it entertains me. Having said that, does it make me a bad person that I like Evil Dead II the least? There's a lot of great gags in that movie, but I just think the original is so inspiring in its disgusting, "I could make that!" sort of way.

And FvJ, all things considered, is one of the better entries of either franchise. I loved that Friday the 13th feature Devin did a few months back, but I can't get behind the idea that most of these movies are any more than exact copies of each other. For the first 5 movies in the series, we got the same plot with new dead kids and the same POV shots of hands holding sharp things. Don't you think that once we know what the killer looks like from the previous movie, we can go ahead and stop pretending it might be somebody else?

I like Jason as a monster, but on his own his movies don't have much substance to them (and I say that fully aware of how stupid it is for me to ask for substance from these movies). At least the Nightmare series has been more like a low-rent Alien franchise, with familiar characters and situations being handled differently from movie to movie. For Freddy it may have been a step down, but putting Jason in Springwood spiced things up for him.

If anything kept FvJ from greatness, it's that the kids all kinda sucked. Other than that, it was a stylish, harmless movie that delivered on the promised clash of horror titans. And everybody went. New Line brought both characters back in a big way, and somehow blew it completely.
post #25 of 25
Ash vs. Marvel Zombies killed whatever good feelings I still had for the character. Ash has gone beyond a joke; He's like one of those comedians that keep a joke going until the laughs and goodwill are no more than crumpled bits of shredded paper on a dirty ass club floor.

FvJ was not too bad, definitely better than all of Kane Hodder's Jason flicks combined. Not a great film, but entertaining at least.

I'll probably read this series out of sheer curiosity when it makes it's debut as I unpack boxes that Wednesday at the comic shop. But my days of collecting comics featuring Ash are over for good.
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