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post #51 of 270
8/19/07 at 11:42pm
So the magazine published by Nintendo gave a positive review to a Nintendo product? I'm sold!
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post #52 of 270
8/20/07 at 12:15am
Lol.

I'm playing all the way through the first Prime on my Wii right now... Just got the wave beam... I'm really getting amped for this one for sure.
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post #53 of 270
8/20/07 at 12:29am
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Originally Posted by Slater
So the magazine published by Nintendo gave a positive review to a Nintendo product? I'm sold!
I know, im just saying though
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post #54 of 270
8/20/07 at 12:45am
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Originally Posted by Slater
So the magazine published by Nintendo gave a positive review to a Nintendo product? I'm sold!
It's a pretty retarded thing to get excited about. However, the only other 10 they gave out was for Ocarina of Time. It's still a pretty retarded thing to get excited about.
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post #55 of 270
8/20/07 at 2:41am
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Originally Posted by FreeRobotSex
It's a pretty retarded thing to get excited about. However, the only other 10 they gave out was for Ocarina of Time. It's still a pretty retarded thing to get excited about.
Nintendo Power? Someone has actually quoted Nintendo Power for any reason whatsoever?

I can't believe I actually subscribed to that magazine once upon a time.
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post #56 of 270
8/20/07 at 2:53am
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Originally Posted by Overlord
I can't believe I actually subscribed to that magazine once upon a time.
I did too, but both times it was me being a greedy sonuvabitch. First time I got a free copy of Dragon Warrior for the NES, and the second time I got that Ocarina of Time Zelda disc free for the Gamecube.
If they pull a similar stunt I'll be re-subscribing, but yeah, the magazine is actually worse than the Official Xbox Mag(hey, at least that comes with a demo disc). Nintendo Power was better after their redesign/overhaul a few years ago, but still, bleh.
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post #57 of 270
8/20/07 at 3:03am
.....I have a subscription.

It was free! I swear!

Besides, they have some great fan art.
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post #58 of 270
8/20/07 at 3:07am
Was that your letter art I saw with Yoshi fighting Samus last month?
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post #59 of 270
8/20/07 at 2:00pm
Thread Starter 
I just watched the first three parts of that "first hour of Metroid" footage. Damn.
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post #60 of 270
8/20/07 at 2:04pm
I see absolutely nothing to get excited over with Prime 3. Nothing.
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post #61 of 270
8/20/07 at 2:58pm
Super Metroid is up on the Wii shopping channel!!
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post #62 of 270
8/20/07 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by Nexus-7
First time I got a free copy of Dragon Warrior for the NES
I got that, too! That thing got me through the summer when we moved out to CA and I forgot to bring any NES games in the car with us. I had my NES, and TMNT, which was sitting in the console when I packed it. My other games were sitting in a moving truck somewhere for a month. Dragon Warrior arrived in the mail and made life happy.

Uh... anyway, Metroid 3, yeah!

I'm more excited about Super Metroid on VC today.
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post #63 of 270
8/20/07 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by Jcassady
I see absolutely nothing to get excited over with Prime 3. Nothing.
I agree. The character models are awful, though the backgrounds were more impressive in motion than in still shots. For those of you who are loving the footage, please explain why.

I want to love the Wii, I really do. Just drop the price and give me a decent lightsaber game and I'll be there.
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post #64 of 270
8/20/07 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
I agree. The character models are awful, though the backgrounds were more impressive in motion than in still shots. For those of you who are loving the footage, please explain why.

I want to love the Wii, I really do. Just drop the price and give me a decent lightsaber game and I'll be there.
Just wait till next year, you will see some really great Wii games coming out, that are not just gimmicky, but are true games that really intergrade the remote with the gameplay
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post #65 of 270
8/20/07 at 4:01pm
Thread Starter 
I can't speak for anyone else, I've just simply been a long-term fan of the franchise. Partially, this is a "what happens next" scenario. There has been a solid story told over the Prime franchise, and it is continued and finished with this installment. I want to see how it ends. This trilogy also fits in with the larger Metroid mythology, and I'd like to find out how that happens as well.

Graphics-wise, I am used to the look as not being as "hot" as the latest PC game, but these games have always looked good enough to me. I would argue that they're far from awful, the only real problem being a lack of anti-alaising (jiggy lines). And I have seen an improvement with this installment over the earlier games from some screenshots and videos. I will admit it's not always the case; some screenshots they release do look positively awful. But I think those are simply from earlier in the development phase. Besides graphics, these games have had some awesome sound design that makes everything more believable more than just graphics could.

Most importantly, as has already been mentioned, is the gameplay. The Prime games have simply been an absolute blast to play. The design of the worlds, the puzzles, the collection aspect, percentage goals, and the controls really make the game special. Even without rumble, you can "feel" the hits you take, you can "feel" your shots hit your target in the right spot. Boss fights have been gripping. On top of all that, I'm excited to play this latest installment with the new control system. It looks intuitive and immersive.


There, I've said my peace.


Keep in mind this is also coming from a guy who cannot wait to play Bioshock. I know what I expect from a PC game maker and I know what I expect from Nintendo; they are very different things to me, and yet equally demanding in their own way at the same time.
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post #66 of 270
8/20/07 at 4:12pm
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I can't speak for anyone else, I've just simply been a long-term fan of the franchise. Partially, this is a "what happens next" scenario. There has been a solid story told over the Prime franchise, and it is continued and finished with this installment. I want to see how it ends. This trilogy also fits in with the larger Metroid mythology, and I'd like to find out how that happens as well.
Well, that makes sense. Not being invested in the Prime storyline, I could see why that might fascinate you.

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I would argue that they're far from awful, the only real problem being a lack of anti-alaising (jiggy lines). And I have seen an improvement with this installment over the earlier games from some screenshots and videos. I will admit it's not always the case; some screenshots they release do look positively awful. But I think those are simply from earlier in the development phase. Besides graphics, these games have had some awesome sound design that makes everything more believable more than just graphics could.
I put photos up of the most recent screenshots (July 7th) at the time I posted. They weren't early development, or if they were, why the heck did they release them?
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post #67 of 270
8/20/07 at 4:16pm
A little update from Ign.com, taken from Matt's blog

Forgive our Wednesday Update
Not that we don't have a few stories planned, but tomorrow afternoon and beyond will be spent playing the final version of Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Not sure what I'll be able to write about -- I expect we'll be under embargo -- but if I can at least give you the heads up that the game rules or doesn't, I will.

Samus on 100" projector screen with Wii remote shooting precision = sexy time.
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post #68 of 270
8/20/07 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
I agree. The character models are awful, though the backgrounds were more impressive in motion than in still shots. For those of you who are loving the footage, please explain why.
The character models are awful? They might be low polygon, but I think this stuff looks pretty good. I like how epic that first stage is and I like the art direction, which can make up for lackluster graphics. Then again, I'm still impressed with God Of War and RE4, and I've never played a Metroid Prime game (typically can't stand console FPS controls.)
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post #69 of 270
8/20/07 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus
The character models are awful? They might be low polygon, but I think this stuff looks pretty good. I like how epic that first stage is and I like the art direction, which can make up for lackluster graphics. Then again, I'm still impressed with God Of War and RE4, and I've never played a Metroid Prime game (typically can't stand console FPS controls.)
Please play Metroid Prime, im pretty sure its like $5, its truly a GREAT game.
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post #70 of 270
8/20/07 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by J-FAB
A little update from Ign.com, taken from Matt's blog

Forgive our Wednesday Update
Not that we don't have a few stories planned, but tomorrow afternoon and beyond will be spent playing the final version of Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Not sure what I'll be able to write about -- I expect we'll be under embargo -- but if I can at least give you the heads up that the game rules or doesn't, I will.

Samus on 100" projector screen with Wii remote shooting precision = sexy time.
Wait, shouldn't this be in the "Who Gives A Shit" Thread?
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post #71 of 270
8/20/07 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by Jcassady
Wait, shouldn't this be in the "Who Gives A Shit" Thread?
for Metroid fans....no

non metroid fans ...yes
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post #72 of 270
8/20/07 at 7:03pm
I'd say both.
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post #73 of 270
8/20/07 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus
The character models are awful? They might be low polygon, but I think this stuff looks pretty good. I like how epic that first stage is and I like the art direction, which can make up for lackluster graphics. Then again, I'm still impressed with God Of War and RE4, and I've never played a Metroid Prime game (typically can't stand console FPS controls.)
It's dangerous to compare games across genres. God of War is a fixed camera platformer/action game and shouldn't be used for comparision, and RE4 is a third person.

Still, how do you think Metroid measures up to RE4, a game that is now two years old, and is available on systems you can buy for significantly less than 249.99, plus the cost of a nunchuk:





Metroid Prime 3 may have the greatest game play on Earth, but are you honestly telling me that those character models impress you? I'd also to point out that is the best looking character I could find, most of them look much worse (like the ones I posted earlier).

Caveat: It may be the greatest game ever-I'm just commenting on the disappointing graphics, and what this means for videogaming when the Wii is outselling everyone else, yet consistently looks worse than top notch last generation games.
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post #74 of 270
8/20/07 at 7:27pm
Jesus Christ, Overlord, we get it. You don't like the graphics.
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post #75 of 270
8/20/07 at 9:06pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
It's dangerous to compare games across genres. God of War is a fixed camera platformer/action game and shouldn't be used for comparision, and RE4 is a third person.
Says the man who compared digitally output HD scans of Chronicles Of Riddick against analog SD screengrabs of MP3. Second of all, I didn't really compare them. I just said that I was impressed with those graphics, as a frame of reference to mean that I'm probably easier to impress than most of y'all.

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Still, how do you think Metroid measures up to RE4, a game that is now two years old, and is available on systems you can buy for significantly less than 249.99, plus the cost of a nunchuk:

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Metroid Prime 3 may have the greatest game play on Earth, but are you honestly telling me that those character models impress you? I'd also to point out that is the best looking character I could find, most of them look much worse (like the ones I posted earlier).
No, they look kinda like tree branches, but like I said, I have to see it in motion, and I have to play it. From what I've heard about MP3's graphics from early "reviews," it seems like MP3 is yet another GC port, juiced up to Wii size, but still essentially Metroid's Twilight Princess. That is somewhat dissappointing.

Yeah, from the shots in this thread, RE4 looks better than MP3. But like you said, comparing across different genres is a messy proposition. Having typed all that, I thought the YouTube footage looked nice. The Bezerker Lord and the ship/planetary environments looked impressive on a highly compressed streaming video signal.

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Caveat: It may be the greatest game ever-I'm just commenting on the disappointing graphics, and what this means for videogaming when the Wii is outselling everyone else, yet consistently looks worse than top notch last generation games.
I'm not sure what it means, since historically, the more powerful machine almost always loses the console war. In this case, the differences are startling because the competition made horsepower their primary concern when designing their respective consoles, pricing be damned. I think what is more interesting is how Nintendo is marketing their console differently than Sony and MS. If the Wii had comparable horsepower to the 360 and PS3, would those consoles be selling any less because hardcore gamers were holding out? Probably not.
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post #76 of 270
8/20/07 at 9:19pm
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Says the man who compared digitally output HD scans of Chronicles Of Riddick against analog SD screengrabs of MP3. Second of all, I didn't really compare them.
If those were SD screengrabs, blame Nintendo, they're the ones who released them. Look here: http://news.filefront.com/new-metroi...uption-images/

As for comparing across genres, I was responding to your post!

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...the ship/planetary environments looked impressive on a highly compressed streaming video signal.
The backgrounds looked much better in motion than they did in still shots.

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I'm not sure what it means, since historically, the more powerful machine almost always loses the console war. In this case, the differences are startling because the competition made horsepower their primary concern when designing their respective consoles, pricing be damned.
Really? I have no idea how the NES stacked up against the Mastersystem, but the Super Nintendo was superior to the Genesis, and the Playstation was a generation ahead of the 64 (due mainly to the revolutionary advances made possible by a CD storage medium, rather than raw processing powering). Now, the PS2 kicked some serious ass over the GC and XBox, I'll give you that.
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post #77 of 270
8/20/07 at 9:23pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
Now, the PS2 kicked some serious ass over the GC and XBox, I'll give you that.
What?
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post #78 of 270
8/20/07 at 9:24pm
The PS2 also had an immense lead time on the XBox and GameCube.
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post #79 of 270
8/20/07 at 9:36pm
Are the graphics really that awful that you hate them? Honestly? I'm playing Prime now and frankly both of these games look... Prime.
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post #80 of 270
8/20/07 at 9:48pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
If those were SD screengrabs, blame Nintendo, they're the ones who released them. Look here: http://news.filefront.com/new-metroi...uption-images/
The point I was trying to make there was that unless the XBox output 768x1024 in full digital, the comparison is a bit unfair because nobody's going to see an image of that quality in their living room.


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Really? I have no idea how the NES stacked up against the Mastersystem, but the Super Nintendo was superior to the Genesis, and the Playstation was a generation ahead of the 64 (due mainly to the revolutionary advances made possible by a CD storage medium, rather than raw processing powering). Now, the PS2 kicked some serious ass over the GC and XBox, I'll give you that.
PS1 beat Dreamcast and N64 (which could push more polys and had better lighting effects, but couldn't throw many textures onscreen.) PS2 beat both GC and XBox, both of which are more powerful. I think that the Genesis was faster in some ways, but didn't have a dedicated sound chip, which certainly hurt performance, sorta like how the Wii's lack of certain dedicated graphics chips are hurting it's performance today.
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post #81 of 270
8/20/07 at 10:15pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
Caveat: It may be the greatest game ever-I'm just commenting on the disappointing graphics, and what this means for videogaming when the Wii is outselling everyone else, yet consistently looks worse than top notch last generation games.
Maybe it means people want to play video games instead of stare at them?

*EDIT* From your link, even:

KEY INFORMATION
If you think you knew what it felt like to be the bounty hunter behind the visor, think again. Take aim at evil with Nintendo’s revolutionary controller. * Players control Samus by moving with the Nunchuk controller and aiming with the pointer, allowing for a level of immersion unlike anything they have ever experienced. Through the eyes of Samus, players experience a quantum leap in first-person control as they wield the Wii Remote controller, the ultimate device for the first-person shooter genre.
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post #82 of 270
8/20/07 at 10:31pm
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Originally Posted by gravedigger
What?
He's talking about the "weaker console winning the generation wars." I agree, the PS2 was a much weaker console, but it trounced the Xbox and Gamecube.
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post #83 of 270
8/20/07 at 10:49pm
Thread Starter 
The latest videos are up on the Metroid Channel. The Valhalla one was especially interesting. At this point it seems that Retro is completely altering the understanding of the timeline at this point. Though it may have been stated in the past that Metroid Prime takes place after the original Metroid, it is very clear from watching Valhalla that the Metroid Prime games actually take place before any other Metroid adventures.
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post #84 of 270
8/20/07 at 11:17pm
You know, I'll have to admit- I'm looking forward to this one. I don't much care about graphics, although I'm really hoping it looks better than these shitty flash videos. It has to, right?

From playing Call of Duty 3 and Red Steel it's obvious how great the Wii controls are for FPSers, so I'm really considering this one. I'll probably wait for a few reviews to see how they did it. Plus, I'm going to be all up in Bioshock this week. I could wait a few weeks for Metroid.

And you know what? The Wii games are coming. Check out November-

November 13th-

Mario Galaxy

November 14th

Nights: Journey of Dreams
Resident Evil Chronicles
Soul Calibur Legends
Trauma Center: New Blood

Plus Smash Bros the month after, with a bunch of other potentials coming out sooner (Fire Emblem and Battalian Wars 2). Bout goddamn time, I say. Don't know why the fuck everyone decided to wait till the end of the year to hit us with everything.
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post #85 of 270
8/20/07 at 11:33pm
Metroid should be great. FPS set up great for the Wii..blah blah blah. But after the video which displayed nothing new, I'm apprehensive. Even if the game plays very good, if that's all its got, that isn't up to the standards the series. And that is not even considering the bar-raising that will occur tomorrow with Bioshock.

Regardless, Nintendo and Retro have done themselves no favors by a substandard ad campaign.

The amount of games releasing in the next few months is staggering. Some quality will slip through the cracks. On the other hand, with this amount of quality there is no room for error.
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post #86 of 270
8/20/07 at 11:35pm
Holy Christ, I would buy all five of those games. New Trauma Center? BONER MOUNTAIN
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post #87 of 270
8/20/07 at 11:38pm
Actually, Gamestop just started taking pre-orders for Boner Mountain CE. Comes with a 10 inch replica of Boner Mountain.
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post #88 of 270
8/20/07 at 11:41pm
Why would I want a miniature replica of the real thing?
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post #89 of 270
8/21/07 at 12:32am
Resident Evil Chronicles? I haven't heard squat about this. Since it's not titled Resident Evil 5, what gives? Prequel? Side-mission? I'm diggin RE4, so it's going to be a bummer to not get a chance to play it.
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post #90 of 270
8/21/07 at 1:02am
You won't like it anyway, Overlord. It's an on-rails light-gun shooter that takes place over the entire span of the RE series. As I understand it, it has a chapter revisiting each game. I'm not sure if it's a retread of what happed or a parallel story that occasionally crisscrosses with the main story from those games.
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post #91 of 270
8/21/07 at 1:28am
I'm actually happy that when I get a Wii, it won't bleed me dry on games (the 360 will do that). Right now, I can only see five must-buy games (provided that the unreleased ones come out to good reviews):

Twilight Princess
Resident Evil 4
Metroid Prime 3
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Brothers Brawl

While Strikers Charged is fun, it's more of a maybe-buy.
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post #92 of 270
8/21/07 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by gravedigger
You won't like it anyway, Overlord. It's an on-rails light-gun shooter that takes place over the entire span of the RE series. As I understand it, it has a chapter revisiting each game. I'm not sure if it's a retread of what happed or a parallel story that occasionally crisscrosses with the main story from those games.
It's a retread. Sorta like a Cliff Notes version of the whole series, from what I hear. I'm a sucker for those games though... and need an excuse to pick up that light gun thingy.
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post #93 of 270
8/21/07 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by Overlord
Caveat: It may be the greatest game ever-I'm just commenting on the disappointing graphics, and what this means for videogaming when the Wii is outselling everyone else, yet consistently looks worse than top notch last generation games.
It's an extremely positive thing for gaming. Better graphics doesn't breed innovation in gaming, it just makes them look better.

Not that this particular game is all that innovative, considering that it hasn't changed much from the first two. But that's the way trilogies work, isn't it?
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post #94 of 270
8/21/07 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
November 13th-

Mario Galaxy

Martianman's Birthday
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post #95 of 270
8/21/07 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
It's an extremely positive thing for gaming. Better graphics doesn't breed innovation in gaming, it just makes them look better.

Not that this particular game is all that innovative, considering that it hasn't changed much from the first two. But that's the way trilogies work, isn't it?
The thing is, it's gotten to a point where competitive graphics ARE important, because it's not really that difficult to squeeze a good looking game out of these systems anymore. I'm all for gameplay being the most important aspect of games, but there's more to it than just that these days. These screenshots and videos neither show particularly decent graphics, nor particularly interesting design work, and those are especially important in first-person games, which should have at least some wow factor.

Edit: And as much as I hate to say it, considering how excited I was when the console premiered, I really don't think the Wii has done much of anything to innovate. The control scheme is still just a gimmick, and we're still just getting all the same Nintendo games we were expecting. The most innovative thing they seem to be doing is courting a more casual market with half-assed non-games like WiiFit.
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post #96 of 270
8/21/07 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
These screenshots and videos neither show particularly decent graphics, nor particularly interesting design work, and those are especially important in first-person games, which should have at least some wow factor.
Bingo! If you want to make a less-powerful, more "innovative" system, nobody but 13-17 year old graphic-obsessives will knock you for it. But, really...throw us a damn bone. Just because you can't push as many polys doesn't mean you can't do fantastic things with art design. Instead, they try to create Halo. Love it or hate it (design wise), Wind Waker had fantastic graphics, and Nintendo needs to take risks like that more often.
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post #97 of 270
8/21/07 at 11:39am
Wind Waker is a good example of a game that'd be considered graphically inferior to its contemporaries, but became beautiful by way of design. I think the same could be said of a game like Katamari Damacy, which isn't a graphics powerhouse, but looks great because of specific design choices leading towards comic surreality.
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post #98 of 270
8/21/07 at 12:28pm
Again, I don't really disagree when it comes to this particular game, though I think when you're dealing with a trilogy (which is the impression I get when it comes to Metroid Prime), it's difficult to completely change the look and feel of a game. I'm pretty sure that no matter what Nintendo says, this game - like Twilight Princess - was designed initially for the GC, and when the Wii was developed, they decided to throw in some control changes specifically for it.

That being the case, I just think this is the wrong game to point at and complain about the graphics/design. I think we've seen a step up in design for the games that were created specifically for the Wii from the beginning (Galaxy, for instance).
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post #99 of 270
8/21/07 at 12:30pm
Yeah, I think there's good looking games coming out, and Mario Galaxy is probably what'll eventually sell me on the Wii, but this one, I honestly think it looks terrible. The first Metroid Prime looks better than this one, from everything I've seen, and those spindly branch monsters, or whatever they are, are atrocious. I don't think it's unfair to call out a game for looking shoddy when compared to the first in the series.
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post #100 of 270
8/21/07 at 12:37pm
This game was delayed specifically to make it "perfect" for the Wii. If the game isn't perfect, increase the delay. But from all looks so far, the game appears to be below-standard. Nintendo got themselves into this mess.
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