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post #1 of 22
8/15/07 at 10:06pm
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http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/playdnd
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post #2 of 22
8/16/07 at 3:14am
Is this some 4th edition shit?

I just rolled a saving throw against Who Gives A Fuck and won.
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post #3 of 22
8/18/07 at 5:49pm
I like to look around the site to see whats happening. I like what WoC has been doing with all of the free online support, but another edition after such a short time reeks of poor planning or a money grab. Neither is a good sign.
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post #4 of 22
8/18/07 at 6:50pm
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

A female dungeon master, ha!
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post #5 of 22
9/5/07 at 1:53pm
It has been eight years since 3rd Ed.

I read it will be even more stream lined.

I wonder if they will release a set of Advanced rules and call it...oh I don't know...maybe...Advanced Dungeons & Dragons?

Have you seen these?


12" tall with a 6x6 base. Only $75.
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post #6 of 22
9/5/07 at 1:55pm
The Saga edition of the Star Wars game that came out recently was supposedly a dry run for 4th Edition. Maybe I should finally get around to reading it.
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post #7 of 22
9/11/07 at 2:35pm
Does anybody really play D&D anymore? Anti-social geeks have new, more cost effective outlets like WoW and the like for their escape from reality.
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post #8 of 22
9/11/07 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by C.Swicegood
Does anybody really play D&D anymore? Anti-social geeks have new, more cost effective outlets like WoW and the like for their escape from reality.
Maybe it's the Hipster geeks who play Low-tech D&D cuz they're being ironic or maybe it's just fun trying to use that part of the mind known as "Imagination".
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post #9 of 22
9/20/07 at 4:26am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

A female dungeon master, ha!

I've seen a few female players come by my local bookstore's game room from time to time (Bookmark, for any of you players in the hsv/mad area), but yeah, never a female DM. And no that demo wasn't for 4 it was for 3.5 basic edition, and they came back out with the D&D Adventure game which come with all the maps and mini's for a good starter game. The current game I'm on right now was started with the Adventure game, and went from there, it's actually pretty fun and easy for people who have never played or have never played D&D with miniatures (which it's suppossed to be played with), the only downside is that once you've passed lv3 you have to switch to the 3.5 core set (Handbook, MM, and DM Guide) to continue.

Personally I wish they would have continued the Adventure game further, it's much easier and we didn't argue about rules and such as often playing it that way... Well, you all know I'm a geek now.
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post #10 of 22
9/20/07 at 4:29am

WoW?

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Originally Posted by C.Swicegood
Does anybody really play D&D anymore? Anti-social geeks have new, more cost effective outlets like WoW and the like for their escape from reality.
Sorry, had to jump in here on this too, didn't notice it the first time through the post. I've played WoW, and I gotta say, it's not very interactive, not for a true D&D player. This is also true for all the other MMORPGs as well. The closest thing to a good interactive ORPG is Lineage 2, where most things are interactive, but there are a lot less things, whereas WoW has lots of things, most of which are very non-interactive
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post #11 of 22
9/20/07 at 2:42pm
That makes sense, and I didn't even mean to get anyone riled up with my post, but maybe I'm just out of the loop. I really couldn't imagine that anyone would actually make time to sit down at a table and pretend to be a half drow ranger for hours at a time these days.

I'm not placing judgment or anything, because God knows that I have my gaming itch that I scratch, but it just seems more cost effective to play a boardgame like Descent: Journeys in the Dark or Arkham Horror.

35.00/pop for supplemental rule books that you really don't need and will be obsolete in a few years just seems to be a waste of money.
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post #12 of 22
9/20/07 at 2:47pm
A smidge off topic: Descent: Journeys in the Dark - is this a good game? I've looked at it a few times, but it runs around $70.

I just taught my kids how to play Heroquest, the basic MB version, as a prelude to bigger games. I'm a geek and thus so shall my kids.
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post #13 of 22
9/20/07 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by jay f
A smidge off topic: Descent: Journeys in the Dark - is this a good game? I've looked at it a few times, but it runs around $70.

I just taught my kids how to play Heroquest, the basic MB version, as a prelude to bigger games. I'm a geek and thus so shall my kids.

It's a good game, you can usually find it for around 50.00 on Ebay. There are some clunky rules and mechanics, but nothing that can't be fixed with a few house rules. Also boardgamegeek has some decent rule summary and reference sheets you can download.
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post #14 of 22
8/27/08 at 12:05pm
So...4th ed. D&D, anyone playing or have even looked at it?

$35 for the players hand book, 350 pages but Yikes!

I looked through it briefly and the game has been dumbed down and turned into a video game in Pen and Paper form.
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post #15 of 22
8/27/08 at 12:38pm
That's the main complaint I've heard, that the gameplay is trying to hard to be an MMORPG brought to the tabletop. You constantly regain hit points out of combat. Everyone has special attacks they can do once a day, once per combat, or once per turn. Emphasis is placed on the role each class plays -- if you want to play a cleric who's a badass warrior for God, well, sorry, you're the Healer class, start curing Light Wounds please. I would think the best way for tabletop RPGs to compete with MMORPGs is to be as different as possible, but I guess not.

Also, from what I've read, the online component that Wizards tried to implement -- an online gaming community ala MySpace, online game tables, etc -- has been a disaster.
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post #16 of 22
8/27/08 at 12:55pm
My biggest complaint is when it comes down to combat. Once the game hits that stage, all aspects of role-playing are lost and it becomes and tactics and strategy board game (miniatures game)
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post #17 of 22
8/27/08 at 12:57pm
Gotta sell those miniatures too!

That's a problem with a lot of games for me. I remember playing D&D back in high school and we just wrote down a marching order and that was about as tactical as it got. Now practically every game is refering to things in inches or hexes or grids, assuming everyone is simultaneously running a tactical board game while they're role playing. What happened to the GM just saying, "You can't make it there this round"?
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post #18 of 22
8/27/08 at 1:04pm
*note* I've never played the 3.5 edition of D&D or any D&D for that matter. Athough I was huge into the 2-3rd editions of Shadowrun back in the day*end note*

We've played a few games of 4.0 and I'm having a blast so far. Yes it's dumbed down from what I read on the internet and from what the people I play with say, but that doesn't matter in the long run. We've been having a blast so far. The games seem to run smoother and there is less rule searching and arguing. I don't really mind the "essentially forced use" of mini's as we just buy a few boxes and pool them together. It seems to add a different level of tactics than the oldschool grid paper battles of old. IT's not perfect, most games aren't, but I've gotten a lot of people to play who in the past would never had before.
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post #19 of 22
9/1/08 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by Rob View Post
Yes it's dumbed down ...
the edition is most likely simplified to emulate the mechanics of MMO games like World of Warcraft, i think.
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post #20 of 22
9/1/08 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by C.Swicegood View Post
Does anybody really play D&D anymore? Anti-social geeks have new, more cost effective outlets like WoW and the like for their escape from reality.
I've got two groups going right now, one playing Buffy/Angel/Cinematic Unisystem, the other playing 4th Edition Shadowrun. Both play once a week. The college has about three other groups playing on Saturday nights, both board games & RPGs. One of my players has a few other groups he's a part of, and every single member of all of these groups has bought at least one core or splat book. We've got access to a bunch of systems, all of them pretty well-supported. Well, except for WFRP(Warhammer), since Games Workshop up and decided that the novels would sell better than the RPG and canceled the line.
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post #21 of 22
9/1/08 at 8:45pm
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the edition is most likely simplified to emulate the mechanics of MMO games like World of Warcraft, i think.

Yep, as I did say:
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Yes it's dumbed down from what I read on the internet and from what the people I play with say, but that doesn't matter in the long run. We've been having a blast so far.
It's definitely simpler but it seems to be more fun, at least for "n00bs" like myself in this game. Although I'd love to play some Shadowrun again. I fucking loved that game.
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post #22 of 22
9/4/08 at 9:47am
Pretty much what Rob said, all the way. I've played this new system a few times (okay, twice) with two experienced players and one noob and the learning process for him wasn't very long at all. The two experienced players were marveling at what their characters were able to do at such a low level, so it's got that going for it.

The thing with splat books is: who the hell makes you buy them? I've never bought a single one and I've been playing since about '02/'03. Never felt like I was really missing out (cept gettin laid lol).

There's no denying that Wizards looked to the MMORPG world for "inspiration", but it works. Ease of play is my number one concern. Character customization is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I think giving your characters personalities isn't limited by stats and good RP is what you're doing it for, right?
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