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Bush: Iraq like Vietnam, but in a good way!

post #1 of 124
8/22/07 at 8:55am
Thread Starter 
Jesus. Fucking. CHRIST.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As he awaits a crucial progress report on Iraq, President Bush will try to put a twist on comparisons of the war to Vietnam by invoking the historical lessons of that conflict to argue against pulling out.

On Wednesday in Kansas City, Missouri, Bush will tell members of the Veterans of Foreign Wars that "then, as now, people argued that the real problem was America's presence and that if we would just withdraw, the killing would end," according to speech excerpts released Tuesday by the White House.

"Three decades later, there is a legitimate debate about how we got into the Vietnam War and how we left," Bush will say.

"Whatever your position in that debate, one unmistakable legacy of Vietnam is that the price of America's withdrawal was paid by millions of innocent citizens, whose agonies would add to our vocabulary new terms like 'boat people,' 're-education camps' and 'killing fields,' " the president will say.

The president will also make the argument that withdrawing from Vietnam emboldened today's terrorists by compromising U.S. credibility, citing a quote from al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden that the American people would rise against the Iraq war the same way they rose against the war in Vietnam, according to the excerpts.

"Here at home, some can argue our withdrawal from Vietnam carried no price to American credibility, but the terrorists see things differently," Bush will say.
Again: Jesus. Fucking. CHRIST.
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post #2 of 124
8/22/07 at 9:34am
To which credibility does he refer, exactly?
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post #3 of 124
8/22/07 at 9:37am
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I just like how he uses that bin Laden quote. Like it takes some kind of insidious insight to see the connections between Vietnam and Iraq.

And of course, now anyone who protests against the war can be said to be doing what bin Laden wants. Convenient, huh?
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post #4 of 124
8/22/07 at 9:47am
These words coming from a veteran like him carry added weight.
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post #5 of 124
8/22/07 at 9:55am
I'd just like to say that the news from today about FOURTEEN soldiers dying in a HELICOPTER crash just breaks my heart. In all seriousness, Jesus man, fourteen from a motherfucking stupid helicopter accident. FOURTEEN.

Gah.

Fuckin' pathetic and sad. An accident, Christ. Senseless.
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post #6 of 124
8/22/07 at 10:39am
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"Here at home, some can argue our withdrawal from Vietnam carried no price to American credibility,
Because the invasion of Iraq did wonders for it.


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Veterans of Foreign Wars
This seems like an odd name. I'm no mathematician, but I assume there are no Civil War or War of Independence veterans left.
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post #7 of 124
8/22/07 at 10:41am
It's amazing how even recent history eludes these Chicken Little people. All the hawks parroted the line that if we pulled out of Vietnam, we'd get "the domino effect", that all of Asia would go Communist, and then they'd overthrow the U.S. and we'd all be living in communes eating rice.

Funny how that never happened. Does Bush not realize the idiocy of making that parallel?
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post #8 of 124
8/22/07 at 10:53am
I think it has been called that since there were veterans of those wars alive, horrid. And, hey, why be pessimistic? Montanta may try to leave the Union any day now!

There are some underfed policy analysts kept in sensory deprivation tanks who are forced to come up with this garbage in exchange for Saltines, aren't there?
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post #9 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
Does Bush not realize the idiocy of making that parallel?
He couldn't grasp the simple wisdom of war bad, peace good. So no.
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post #10 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:06am
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I'd love to see the screening going on as they let the vets into that place. It'll be nothing but Swift Boaters.
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post #11 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:10am
Impeach Abraham Lincoln.
Thank-you for your Goddamned support.
CNN, go figger
He speaks from his asshole. This piss poor excuse for a reporter, or commentator, or just a wannabee bloggist.
More Campest who cry what he "WILL" say sickens me.
Time will tell.
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post #12 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:10am
Are these Vets being handpicked by their political leanings? I'd be pretty interested to see what the reaction of a group of Vets who went through the hell of Vietnam being told that what really needed to happen was for them to have stayed there longer is.
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post #13 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by horrid
Are these Vets being handpicked by their political leanings? I'd be pretty interested to see what the reaction of a group of Vets who went through the hell of Vietnam being told that what really needed to happen was for them to have stayed there longer is.
My hand-pi8cked few say they left before the job was done.
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post #14 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:14am
Bush is now saying pulling out of Vietnam was a bad idea? Awesome!

I have another argument he can use: Thirty years after the end of that War, Vietnam is politically stable and its economy is on the rise. So, in 2035 Iraq will be thriving!
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post #15 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by witchesbrew
Impeach Abraham Lincoln.
Thank-you for your Goddamned support.
CNN, go figger
He speaks from his asshole. This piss poor excuse for a reporter, or commentator, or just a wannabee bloggist.
More Campest who cry what he "WILL" say sickens me.
Time will tell.
Don't worry as soon as it's revealed that the Alliance MADE the Reavers, I'm sure she'll start making perfect sense.
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post #16 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:21am
Its so jolly to enter a space where everyone hates you.
I'm a conservative, buck up lil' campers we exist.
Good number, last I looked.
They are just sick and tired of coming here. Ignorance makes one numb.
Do you guys ever grow tired of circle-jerking?
Pulling out of the Nam was bad.
You'll see, circle jerks.
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post #17 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by witchesbrew
Do you guys ever grow tired of circle-jerking?
Do you ever grow tired of posting in a drunken stream of consciousness?
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post #18 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:34am
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Originally Posted by witchesbrew
Its so jolly to enter a space where everyone hates you.
I'm a conservative, buck up lil' campers we exist.
Good number, last I looked.
They are just sick and tired of coming here. Ignorance makes one numb.
Do you guys ever grow tired of circle-jerking?
Pulling out of the Nam was bad.
You'll see, circle jerks.
What's your first language? Though I can only speak English and enough Spanish to survive, I'm pretty sure you'd make more sense using your first language, rather than your odd hybrid of poetry, prose, and stupid.

Second, when will we find out that pulling out of Vietnam was bad? It's looked like a pretty great decision since the 70s. I suppose all of Southeast Asia is suddenly going to go domino effect?
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post #19 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:34am
Hardy-har, Igmo.
Please leave another senseless Rep for me......(yawn)
Do you" Progressives" ever grow tired of personal affronts?
Guess not.
Bush's allusion to Viet Nam was right on target,
but now that I have become that, let's fuck the thread?
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post #20 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by witchesbrew
Bush's allusion to Viet Nam was right on target,
but now that I have become that, let's fuck the thread?
Seriously, WHAT?

Look, there is room for conservatives on this board. I freely admit that some posters here are too knee-jerk when it comes to liberal politics, but I think guys like Cobretti at least get treated respectfully when they post. What we don't need is this kind of commentary...I feel like I'm guessing about your meaning when you post.

Furthermore, my understanding of Vietnam is that after 15 years, 58,000 deaths, and the PR disaster of the Tet Offensive, pretty much EVERYONE wanted out of Vietnam. It's revisionist, jingoistic politics that are making us look at Vietnam as a failure in our history, as opposed to a prudent reversal of an awful decision.
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post #21 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:44am
She's not conservative, she's retarded.
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post #22 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:45am
1. Who are you to say what this board needs?
2. FC rules in my book.
3. My pitiful handful loved the people that were left behind.
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post #23 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:49am
I'm someone who contributes. Nobody has even spoken out against your handful. The point is that there was no reason to be there in the first place.
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post #24 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:53am
It was South Vietnam, a people who wanted freedom, and many died for it. We gave up, pulled out and more died because of the decision.
Don't act like those people didn't want freedom.
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post #25 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:53am
Okay, they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel of excuses now. "There is a legitimate debate about how we got into the Vietnam War and how we left"? What the hell is he talking about?

Also, witchesbrew: If you're going to post like that, at least make it rhyme. It won't make you any less an ass, but at least you'll look like you're trying to be clever.
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post #26 of 124
8/22/07 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by witchesbrew
It was South Vietnam, a people who wanted freedom, and many died for it. We gave up, pulled out and more died because of the decision.
Don't act like those people didn't want freedom.
People in Darfur want freedom. Black people in South Africa wanted freedom. North Koreans wanted freedom. Eastern Europeans wanted freedom. Rwandans wanted freedom. Distinguish.
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post #27 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:00pm
Another personal attack, how special.
Many people were helping in VN. We pulled out and left them them to die. Make it a funny or not its the truth.
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post #28 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by The LD
People in Darfur want freedom. Black people in South Africa wanted freedom. North Koreans wanted freedom. Eastern Europeans wanted freedom. Rwandans wanted freedom. Distinguish.
I'll guess we do as we can in the face of evil, what would suggestion be? Leave it alone and it will go away?
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post #29 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by Jeff Lyczak's Avatar
Jeff Lyczak
Also, witchesbrew: If you're going to post like that, at least make it rhyme. It won't make you any less an ass, but at least you'll look like you're trying to be clever.
I'll do one to get her started and then she can take it from there.

There once was a man from Nantucket
Who said lets get out of Nam, Fuck it
He thought we'd been there too long
But his decision was wrong
We should have kept sending kids home in a bucket
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post #30 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:03pm
Edit. Sorry, i didn't realize your response to me was already up.
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post #31 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by witchesbrew
I'll guess we do as we can in the face of evil, what would suggestion be? Leave it alone and it will go away?
Honestly? I think there's a damn good argument for that in a lot of situations.
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post #32 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:08pm
Make a pitiful handful with my brew.
I'm a conservo-nazi and enjoy Tang.
but decision to eat Viet Nam food was incorrect.
I tread the water that beats into my asshole.
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post #33 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:14pm
Good, when Jihad comes to your house don't call me. Its a given or can't you read? Cripes, "I'll just snooze and it will all go away", how cozy.
I don't understand your underestimation of what is actually happening here. You speak of Darfur? In the same breath?
I'm a woman and I believe and stand fast on, I will never suck their (Islam's ) gorge.
Not happening.
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post #34 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by witchesbrew
Good, when Jihad comes to your house don't call me. Its a given or can't you read? Cripes, "I'll just snooze and it will all go away", how cozy.
I don't understand your underestimation of what is actually happening here. You speak of Darfur? In the same breath?
I'm a woman and I believe and stand fast on, I will never suck their (Islam's ) gorge.
Not happening.
Oh fuck off!

Go back and hide in the hills you freak of humanity. Etch your shitty poetry into your wrists with a knife until it kills you, please. Isn't supporting Bush the same as supporting BIG OIL with, in turn, is sucking Islam's gorge?

You fucking wackjob.
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post #35 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by witchesbrew
3. My pitiful handful loved the people that were left behind.
And how was that love shown, exactly?
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post #36 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:19pm
If fighting Islamic terrorism is so important, why aren't we in Darfur? Seriously, answer me. This is our most important foreign policy, correct? Why are we letting millions die at the hands of terrorists?
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post #37 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:20pm
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Okay, it's bad enough he's comparing Iraq to Vietnam when he's spent the last four years assuring us they're different, he's also comparing the post-WWII US occupation of Japan to Iraq. You know, which isn't an occupation.

This is a gigantic flip-flop and everybody is just swallowing it.
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post #38 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:21pm
The Taliban seems to be doing pretty good in Afghanistan right now, too.

And Iraq... oh yeah... they were a secular nation before 2003. Whoops!!! Let's revise history. This fuckhead doesn't have a clue what's going on.

Hey bitchesbrew, what denomination are you?
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post #39 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by Subotai
And how was that love shown, exactly?
You should actually ask her father. He probably knows.

And LD, your clear reasoning is of no avail on a person like her. If she thinks that the US were in Vietnam for their freedom, it quite clear she has no fucking clue what she's talking about. Just try explaining her the Cold War...
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post #40 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:23pm
I'm thinking that the way to go is a neg-rep and step out of this thread. People just need to ignore witchesbrew on politics, and another red box or so would probably do it.
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post #41 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:25pm
Just throwing this out there

Has an anoying posting style. When called on it, does it more.

Holds views seemingly taylored to conflict with most people on the board.

Is retarded.

Is never logged on at the same time as duke fleed.
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post #42 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:25pm
And the circle jerk converges.....do ya'll wear T-Shirts to attribute your idiocy?

Actually I was responding to The LD, the rest of you find something to do with your time, negative rep, perhaps? My box is empty.
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post #43 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:28pm
No, it's too much fun watching witchesbrew avoid facts and details about the world to just leave this thread be.
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post #44 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by The LD
If fighting Islamic terrorism is so important, why aren't we in Darfur? Seriously, answer me. This is our most important foreign policy, correct? Why are we letting millions die at the hands of terrorists?
Well if I had to go by the recent miner's problem, I would say, " Nobody wants to fight the good fight". Hell, according to this site, who believes in anything except their Iphone?
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post #45 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by witchesbrew
do ya'll wear T-Shirts to attribute your idiocy?
Interesting points:

1) Your comment on Darfur was actually an argument against yourself.

2) The quote above is interesting in the sense that it conveys no meaning. (yeah, I'm not exactly being generous, but I've been generous enough)
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post #46 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by witchesbrew
Well if I had to go by the recent miner's problem, I would say, " Nobody wants to fight the good fight". Hell, according to this site, who believes in anything except their Iphone?
What good fight? They're still trying to rescue those miners, despite the hopelessness of the situation AND the deaths of the rescue workers. It may be an awful situation, but they're still going.
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post #47 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by witchesbrew
Well if I had to go by the recent miner's problem, I would say, " Nobody wants to fight the good fight". Hell, according to this site, who believes in anything except their Iphone?
To be fair, the iPhone is AWESOME.
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post #48 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:33pm
My Iphone doesn't get a signal in this thread?
Why could it, it's lonesome hear to be the only fuckjob.
My T-Shirt says that "I'm with Bush Against Towelheads."
I like the term circle-jerk because it reminds me of what is to come of the liberals who speak about being liberal.
I trust my intellect more than I trust the intellect of myself.
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post #49 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
To be fair, the iPhone is AWESOME.
You're damn right it is.
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post #50 of 124
8/22/07 at 12:36pm
Who ever thought
That SP Trolls
Would Bother to keep showing up
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