The Office - Season 4 - Page 11

I hope not. Jim and Pam are cute because of the few times they are able to get away from the zaniness of the office. Like sneaking up to the roof. I don't think I can take half an hour of little moments like that. They would lose their charm.

I want a Creed spin-off, it would be like a hobo version of Kung Fu.

Winner!

Word of the spin-off from TV Guide Online's Michael Ausiello:

"I know that, contrary to speculation, it will not revolve around Dwight. According to an insider, the Michael-Dwight dynamic is "too integral to the show." The likelier scenario, according to a Peacock insider, has Ed Helms' Andy headlining Office 2.0. "That idea was batted around prior to the strike," whispers my source, "and NBC seemed interested." Personally, I hope NBC sticks with its original plan and looks outside the Dunderverse for the offshoot's boss."

ETA: The "Original Plan":

"If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, NBC may be about to pay a major compliment to Grey's Anatomy. Multiple sources confirm to me exclusively that the Peacock is developing an episode of The Office that would introduce several new characters who would then be spun off into a new series à la Private Practice.

However, unlike Practice, which stole Grey's regular Kate Walsh to anchor the new series, the proposed Office 2 is not expected to include any of the mother ship's core cast. In fact, producers are already casting about for a "name" to headline the potential show."

With her relationship with Michael seemingly at an end, I was hoping for a Jan/Hunter spinoff.

Damn, I really want a Creed spin-off, him walking around barefoot stealing shit and hobos.

Private Practice is a horrible piece of shit. I don't think that should be the basis on which this new "show" is formed.

Second.


And here we are!!

Andy would be a good choice to lead the spinoff.

Yeah, I'd love to see Creed roam the earth. Perhaps on his journey to find The Third Chair....

Thank you. Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought this.

I want to make it clear that I like both Jim and Pam and I want to see these characters together. However, Jim purchasing an engagement ring that soon seems like something that Michael Scott would do.

I don't see it that way. It's not like Jim just met Pam at Chili's and then a week later picked up the ring. That would be Michael Scott-creepy. Jim has known Pam for years, and most of that time they have been very close friends. The way I envision Jim coming to this decision is that he knew all along that he and Pam would be compatible for each other, and after realizing she felt the same way, decided to act on it.

I loved Andy's line about the "kid's orphanage bills". I got major deja vu during Michael's coffee date--he was channeling Gervais in that scene. It was a good example of how Carell can also act like a completely douchebaggster when the script calls for it.

I also giggled at the sheer lack of disrespect Michael and Dwight had for dead chair model, by dancing on her grave and singing "American Pie."

My favorite moment by far was Jim's "shoe-tying proposal," which made me squeal like a girl, but that's okay, 'cause I am one. I didn't think it was creepy that Jim bought Pam's ring right after they started dating...he's been crazy about her for a while. I do think it's a little sad, though--if only because it reveals just how narrow Jim's focus in life is.

Jim loves Pam a lot, and that's great--but he doesn't seem to really want anything else in his life (he has no real ambitions, at least none that he acts upon), and he keeps retreating to the comfort of his going-nowhere position at Dunder-Mifflin.

I agree with those who think that if any conflict arises on the Jim/Pam front, it will be because Pam is ready to spread her wings and Jim won't be able to keep up with her. If this means the writers intend for her to refuse his proposal, it'll be tricky, but I have faith the writers will make it sincere and believable. Jim/Pam is by far the most realistic TV couple (particularly comedy couple) I've ever seen.

I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying. I just think that there is a big difference between being friends and being a couple. The fact that Jim is already buying engagement rings seems a little premature and foolish.

It's premature, for sure. But what separates it from Michael territory is that he's known her, and loved her, for years before they got together. And he didn't pop the question right away, just bought the ring. It struck me as a way for him to channel his excitement at finally getting her in a way that wouldn't lead to him freaking her out.

I'm not sure I agree with all this talk about Jim having "no ambition". He's been steadily rising through the ranks of Dundler-Mifflin, and I certainly don't think he'd stop at Michael's level, and he clearly seems to have abilities the company appreciates. Is every twenty-something paper salesman from Scranton supposed to move to become a New York executive or something? People keep saying "Pam wants more", but, no offense intended, she's been a freakin' receptionist the entire time we've known her. Taking art classes on the side doesn't exactly equal ambition.

Well, the thing about the ambitions of Jim and Pam has been that they've always been at odds with eachother. One is up, the other's down. When the show first started, Jim had a goal and Pam thought she was settled. The end of season 3 flipped that around.

Jim's happy. And he really only has one more thing to complete himself. It's not that he doesn't have the ability to move up at Dunder-Mifflin. He just tends to reject or accept these things based on where Pam is in her life. And that's probably just a sign of a larger problem.

Pam's just escaped her Roy trap and is enjoying her freedom and a 'honeymoon' phase of the relationship. Her taking art classes is probably just the beginning. She's doing stuff that Roy never encouraged her on. Her being a receptionist is a fall back. But artists trying to make a career still need a job to fall back on while doing freelance work. Whereas being a receptionist seemed to be a part of the Roy trap, now it's just a practical safety net. She still needs to pay her bills.

Of course this is all just me hypothesizing about fictional characters and rationalizing my opinion of them.

Go go go!

I've been watching the earlier seasons because I missed a lot of the episodes. It's amazing Pam hasn't sued the company for a hostile work environment. There's a reference to her chest or general hottness in pretty much every episode.

Also, everyone thinking Jim is a creep for buying a ring so soon is a heartless robot.

That's not sexual harassment. Those characters are merely speaking the truth. Kinda like saying that the sky is blue or chocolate is tasty.

Now this is a case of making a hostile comment. I'm calling Skynet.

Jim's not being a creep, just oblivious to the situation. Pam's been making some of her odd facial expressions at Jim so their relationship isn't as sure as Jim thinks it is. I don't know if it's going to be as generic sitcom-y where Jim is going to propose at the moment Pam wants to break up. I'm under the impression we're supposed to see that Pam likes Jim,but doesn't love him. I think the season will probably end with him proposing and her looking freaked out at the camera.

Pam's been making odd facial expressions at Jim because he's been a little insensitive a couple of times, like trying to make a run for it himself when his lie during Michael's dinner party about his place being flooded got called out on the grounds that Pam didn't need to go with him.

I don't agree that Pam just likes Jim, either. This is the woman who almost burst into tears of joy at the end of last season when Jim showed up unexpectedly and asked her out when she thought he was gone. That reaction doesn't come from "like".

Like I mentioned in one of my posts above. Supposedly, something big is supposed to happen to them by the end of the season, and it isn't breaking up. From what Ausiello said, last weeks episode would give viewers a clue as to what the big "thing" is.

Well there could be a difference with expectation and reality. And I don't doubt that Pam wants to be with Jim,but I don't think she wants the same level of commitment. Perhaps it's not accurate to say like vs love (maybe intensity,certainty?)

Of course, as previously mentioned, analyzing the thoughts and emotions behind fictional characters is kinda silly, but it's also not the type of show to have characters behave,well, uncharacteristically for the sake of surprise or tacking on a new plot.

"I am going to go now... and get... laid."

"With sex!"

I wish we had seen a bit more of Ryan throughout the season. A bit more of his meteoric rise and fall.

Oh my gosh, Toby hopping the fence might be the greatest moment of the season. From unbearable awkwardness to outstanding, gut-sucking laughs in the space of 20 seconds, beautiful.

Toby's index finger stroking Pam's knee... about the creepiest thing I remember seeing in The Office yet.

I don't think it's Ryan's friend who has a drug problem.
I think it is Ryan himself.

Are you serious? LOL.

What sent it into greatness was them pulling back to show Jim's reaction as he's just staring at it.

And then Toby announcing he's moving to Costa Rica and immediately leaving.

Maybe THAT'S the spinoff!

"So, do you have magical powers?"

Dwight was on fire this episode. His interactions with the Hobbit was great. This may be one of the best episodes yet.

Hahahaha.


I fucking loved Dwight's constant questions to the "Hobbit".

"I won't call her."

Fantastic episode.

I was just over at the TWOP forums, and it seemed like most people there hated this one. I don't get it. I thought it was hilarious, small character missteps (Jim would know the security guard's name and he wouldn't have made such a total ass of himself on the phone) and plot flaws (um, why didn't Phyllis just call Bob Vance to spring them? Moreover, what kind of security guard would lock up the parking lot when there are still several cars in it?) aside. Ryan was absolutely fantastic in this one. The scene in which he tries to rationalize the problems with the website was my favorite of the episode. I wanted to punch him in the face when he made the 2.0 with his hands.

That rang way too true to me. I have to deal with Ryan types all the time at my job. With their buzzwords and the condensending bs.

The Ryan types are slowly beginning to leak into libraryland. They are somehow far more annoying in that context.

I've always really liked Toby but this episode made me love him. Best part of the episode.

And who knew Dwight could be a hit with the ladies? What exactly happens out at that beet farm with Mose?

I was hoping we could hear Dwight finish his lullaby.

Why?

I think she's implying that Jim is generally smart, friendly, and not oblivious to the people around him.

That and (God help me for remembering this) he knows the name of the guy who refills the snack machine. He seems like the kind of guy who would just make a point of at least being a little cordial to the people at his office. Unless, of course, said people around him happen to be Dwight, then he's just going to drop everything he can lay his hands on into a Jell-o mold.

Creed had the funniest line in the episode. Once they finished explaining that sex offenders overran the site and Michael said "It's going to be a place you can go with out identity theft, or old men trying to have sex with you." In the background Creed says "I liked the old site..."

I missed that. Awesome!

Dwight was on fire. Pouring out the drink the ladies b-ball team bought for him killed.

Not much to add, as it wasn't my favorite. But who knew Dwight could score so well at a singles bar?

I thought Toby's knee-graze of Pam was pretty darn funny, as was Kelly's "How could you?" question.

"how dare you?"

that was Kelly's question.

Best part of the Episode? Creed.

He knew the guys name was Hank.

Toby, WTF!?

Nice save though.

Make "Midnight Confessions" the theme song and I'm there.

It's sad that real relationships don't always work that way. Sometimes you want someone more than anything...until you have them. But that's not to say it's not gonna work out for Pam and Jim.

Is Toby actually leaving, or is that just a quickie joke? If he actually DOES leave, I'd love to see Michael's reaction, followed by horror as Toby's replacement is a take-no-bullshit guy or gal who shoots down everything Michael does.

I want Toby to be the lead on the spin-off and the showrunner.