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As a leaked General Accounting Office report blows the whistle on the total failure of all but three of Bush's so-called benchmarks, I came across this powerful speech given by an Iraq war vet at a public forum in Minnesota.

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About a week ago, myself and two other Iraq vets started a local chapter of IVAW, Iraq Veterans Against the War. Our mission is crucial in this struggle against the war, because the voices of those who have been in this war must be heard. If any of you know of a soldier or a vet who might want to speak to me, or if you can help us with a donation, please see me before you leave tonight.

With that said, I will tell you my story.

Six years ago I was a very different person than I am today. Military service wasn’t even a thought in my mind. One thing was the same though, I had a fierce love for America. On September 11th, something in me changed. I knew we would retaliate, and that America would need strong men. I decided my life was a small price to pay to defend the country I love. I knew I wouldn’t like the army before I signed up, but that didn’t matter. The recruiters loved me. They didn’t have to do anything but give me a pen and show me where to sign.
I ended up doing two tours in Iraq. I learned quite a bit in my time over seas, and that’s what I’m here to talk about, the things that I learned. This isn’t going to be easy for you, and its not going to be easy for me.

I learned what it was like to live in constant fear of dying in an explosion. Every time a soldier leaves the base they are waiting for an anonymous roadside bomb to take away their limbs, their eyes, their ability to function or their lives. It gets to the point that it is almost a relief when one goes off, at least you get to think about something else when you are dealing with the fall-out.

I learned to be extremely wary of the Iraqi soldiers and police officers. They had outposts all over the city, but some how they never saw or heard anything when we were attacked. At some point the decision was made to station Iraqi army regulars on our base. For some reason the mortar attacks we endured every few days became more accurate and many of the raids that we went on with them were exercises in futility because the targets seemed to know that American soldiers were on the way before we ever left the wire.

I learned what cruel irony was when a female soldier we’d never worked with before got added to a routine patrol with us. The truck that she was in got hit by an anti-tank rocket, and an anti-tank rocket is a nasty thing. It has an explosive to penetrate armor, and a secondary explosive that detonates inside the vehicle. If it hadn’t been for her last minute addition to the patrol that Christmas Eve, her seat would have been empty and her tiny body wouldn’t have been there to catch that secondary explosion, and four of my brothers might have been taken instead. The irony of the situation was that when she got out of the army, she was going to become a nun. Because of that fact, her sacrifice has been the only one that I have found any meaning in.

A month later I learned how versatile a body bag can be. A very powerful IED exploded beneath one of our trucks on the edge of town. I was patrolling another part of the city at the time, and it took us about 90 seconds to get. When we arrived the Humvee was up on it’s side and you could see right through it. The gunner was pinned beneath the roof, which was about ten meters away from the truck. Somehow one of our medics managed to keep him alive for about two more hours, and I can only imagine that it was the image of his three children that he was about to leave behind that allowed him to make it as long as he did. Another soldier that died that day was in so many pieces that carrying his remains away without a body bag would have been less than convenient, to say the least. Four of our brothers left us that day.

I learned that there is truth to the saying that bad things come in threes a month after that when another one of our trucks was struck by an IED. This time the truck caught fire after the blast. The fire caused the hundreds of extra rounds in the trunk to begin cooking off, preventing any attempt at a rescue. I just hope that it was the explosion that killed them and not the fire. Four of our brothers left us that day as well.

With one final twist of the knife that was stuck so deeply into our chests already, I learned how bitterly cruel this game of war can be. Through what I can only imagine was a mixture of confusion, exhaustion and miscommunication, our last casualty stepped out of a helicopter hovering 120 feet above the ground and plunged through the night to his death, leaving us to wonder how it could have happened, and why.

I learned how to cope with the torment of suicidal thoughts, and that I’m not alone in that. A handful of guys from my unit confessed to me that they are plagued with the same thoughts. If that’s not bad enough, a few developed a nasty little habit known as cutting. If you’re unfamiliar with the term I’ll outline it for you. When someone experiences severe emotional trauma or is put in a position where they must numb themselves from life they may seek to feel something else. Sitting alone in a room with a knife, they cut themselves, and they feel something else.

These are some of the lessons that the men and women who fight on your behalf are learning every single day. These are the burdens that we carry for the rest of our lives. I won’t speak to the legitimacy of this war tonight, but I ask that as you contemplate it you remember that there are nearly four thousand dead American soldiers, seven times as many wounded and no one comes home undamaged. For those of you who want to do something but are hesitant for whatever reason, I implore you to get active on behalf of the men and women who risk everything for us. Your voice does matter, and NOW is the time to a stand.

Congressman Ramstad, I ask you to justify your continued support of President Bush’s policies in Iraq. When a person decides that they will risk their life for their country, they cross a bridge that few do, and they gain a wisdom that few have. I have crossed that sacred bridge, and Congressman Ramstad I tell you that this war is not worth the blood that it costs to fuel it. The next time you are faced with a vote concerning the war, side with America, and side with the troops that live and die defending her. Bring the troops home, and give us the care that we need and deserve.
From here, via Firedoglake.
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Fucking depressing. But, hey, Mission Accomplished, right? ...right?
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That's what really pisses me off the most. Young men and women, call them idealists, naive or stupid get tricked into sacrificing their lives by men who haven't given absolutely anything to their country and never will. Privileged patricians, born with a golden spoon in their mouths feeding on their country like fucking vampires. Men who if their country was under serious danger would be the first to surrender if it would profit them.
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I wish I could remember the exact quote that went along the lines of "Leaders would be far lest hasty to go to war if they'd experienced its horrors first hand"
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That's one of the reasons I'm for some sort of mandatory service. Once i become Emperor, and you hit 18 or so, upon graduation (unless you go to college), you serve at least a year in the military (you can make a preferrence, but you'd go where they'd need you most if we're in a war). This goes for every family in the US, rich or poor, no exclusions, not even if you're the President. Some would serve in the National Guard, helping secure the borders, inspecting overseas shipments, helping police, etc. End of service, the government helps you out with your college tuition or career training.

If you opt for college, your service is deferred until you graduate, then you serve for a year (my hope is that this is the more popular choice, as we'll have, ideally, more educated troops, as well as citizens). Upon the end of your tour, the government helps you with job placement. Hell, you can even make the military a career - just sign up for additional service.

This way, we'd have better educated civillians, with some discipline thrown in. Make it mandatory, and I guarantee politicians will be far more reluctant to starting a war if their own kid or kids are involved.

Again, just an idea I've had for awhile - open for adjustment.
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Originally Posted by Timothy225
If you opt for college, your service is deferred until you graduate, then you serve for a year (my hope is that this is the more popular choice, as we'll have, ideally, more educated troops, as well as citizens). Upon the end of your tour, the government helps you with job placement. Hell, you can even make the military a career - just sign up for additional service.
When you get to be emperor, Tim225, you gotta rethink this one. If you're going to have universal service, you can't cut the college boys any slack. Take everybody straight out of high school and then let them go to college after that. Four years of reading Nietzsche and eating pizza isn't going to make anybody a better soldier or border guard. If they want to be officers, they can come back again after school. Call me up when you get your promotion--I got lots of ideas as good as this one.
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Originally Posted by The Nid Hog
When you get to be emperor, Tim225, you gotta rethink this one. If you're going to have universal service, you can't cut the college boys any slack. Take everybody straight out of high school and then let them go to college after that. Four years of reading Nietzsche and eating pizza isn't going to make anybody a better soldier or border guard. If they want to be officers, they can come back again after school. Call me up when you get your promotion--I got lots of ideas as good as this one.
I do understand your viewpoint, and originally had that in mind when I came up with the idea.

Over time, though, I surmised that most high school kids, facing either 2-4 years of college or military service, would probably opt for college instead (don't know about you, but cracking some books beats the shit out of getting my ass shot off - plus, instructors can crack the whip as it were by expelling any slackers and alerting the local draft boards - the Dean Wormer Clause). Hey, the government can even pay their way in college, then they have to do the service right after graduating.

Not saying it's a perfect plan (I'm sure someone'll improve on it), but it's a start. Nid Hog, I'll definitely call you after the revolution starts - you'll get a nice office and your own key to the Think Tank washroom (I am a most benevolent ruler).
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But isn't one of the dangers of mandatory service in the armed forces a much larger military force, leading to more likelihood of leaders deploying the military in conflicts around the world? I don't want any more pointless quagmires, even if young people would probably benefit from some discipline and a change in perspective.
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Originally Posted by Van Jones
But isn't one of the dangers of mandatory service in the armed forces a much larger military force, leading to more likelihood of leaders deploying the military in conflicts around the world? I don't want any more pointless quagmires, even if young people would probably benefit from some discipline and a change in perspective.
Possibly, but if Johnny Senator's Son and Jenny Congressman's daughter are privates in our armed forces, I'd guess the desire for frontline action from the armchair quarterbacks in the Capitol might lessen a bit. A sitting President might think twice before calling for an invasion, as his party might need votes from Senator so & so's state, and if that Senator's kid is one of the soldiers drawing combat duty...

If anything, you'd be reducing unemployment in that age-bracket, have trained personnel watching our borders in peacetime, and could put 'em to work fixing up disaster areas like New Orleans, police back-up, terrorist hunting in cities, etc. Plus, such experience would look good on a resume. Gotta be more productive than flipping burgers, right?
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Mmm, I'm still not sure the military should have anything to do with police actions. I think the kids would benefit from a short tour, I just want the hawks to think of the military as a last resort for a while.
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Originally Posted by Van Jones
But isn't one of the dangers of mandatory service in the armed forces a much larger military force, leading to more likelihood of leaders deploying the military in conflicts around the world? I don't want any more pointless quagmires, even if young people would probably benefit from some discipline and a change in perspective.
The Swiss manage it without constantly going to war. I'm sure Canada would as well, and I don't think two years mandatory service would be a bad thing in this country.

But I see your point. The US is more eager to use its miltary than Switzerland or Canada, and its government cannot be trusted to use it well, wisely, or morally. A bigger hammer would just lead to a broader definition of 'nail'.
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We're already living in a military-industrial complex. Our citizens don't need to be forced into living the nightmare more than they already are.
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Yes, I'm sure we don't have the same point of view on that score. Although everyone I know who joined up, either for two years or forever, says it did them no end of good. Except for a friend of mine who had his legs blown off in Afghanistan. But up until then, he was having a great time as a career medic. We are at war, after all.

In retrospect it would have been a boost to my career as well to have signed up after I was laid off six years ago, assuming they'd have taken me. But that's the Canadian forces. I wouldn't have joined the US military for all the tea in China. Too high a chance of being put to ill use, of getting sent to the wrong place to implement wrongful policies and possibly get killed doing it.
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Guys, Bush was in the military. Look how that turned out.
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Originally Posted by The Prankster
Guys, Bush was in the military. Look how that turned out.
When was that?
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Originally Posted by stelios
When was that?
He was in the Texas Air National Guard. Not sure what he actually did, but he definitely didn't go to Vietnam.

I think mandatory services makes more sense for countries that don't actively use their military, like a lot of the Scandinavian countries. A Swedish friend of mine told me that basically all they do is train for a potential Russian invasion. I don't actually buy that politicians would feel the heat due to such a system, there's always the minor branches like the Coast Guard for them to put their kids in. Working in Washington, they probably have some connection to the military that would ensure that their child is safe like our current Fearless Leader. Granted an advantage is that the burden of the military wouldn't be entirely on the shoulders of the poor, but I imagine the elite will be relatively unaffected.

If we're talking theoretical plans, my Dad, an army vet, suggested that we send prisoners to war, Dirty Dozen style. They would be released upon the completion of their service. I was a little concerned because I thought this could negatively impact the communities that they returned to, but he countered that prisoners already become much better criminals due to their time in prison. Based on how poor recruitment is currently, I wonder how desperate the military would need to be to implement this.
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