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post #151 of 189
9/25/07 at 1:13am
Just to the ones I am talking to, but thanks there,
Overlord

Iphones poppin' now!
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post #152 of 189
9/25/07 at 2:56am
See, because no one can hear Overlord's iPhone. Cuz, he, like....keeps it in his jeans. And it's still shorts weather in Louisiana.

Whew. Almost got confused there.
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post #153 of 189
9/25/07 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by Schwartz
See, because no one can hear Overlord's iPhone. Cuz, he, like....keeps it in his jeans. And it's still shorts weather in Louisiana.

Whew. Almost got confused there.
:P

I often wonder if ones own special PC brand of racism is inherited (genes) or just simply because they are a dick (jeans).

The iphone comment was a later edit, and wasn't intended for anyone who has posted to this thread. Just some readers who know who they are.

edited to apologize to Englebert, I thought you were just being nasty.
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post #154 of 189
9/25/07 at 6:44pm
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Originally Posted by yt
Not to derail this thread too much (especially in light of the massive and powerful response at the Jena protest), but Eenin, I have to ask, out of ignorance solely, when was this verse written and by whom? I ask because "homosexual offenders" and "male prostitutes" stand out from the other language. Is this someone quoting Jesus?
That is the NIV
The next verse is also fun in the face of some Christians rabid anti-homosexual hate.

12"Everything is permissible for me"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"—but I will not be mastered by anything
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post #155 of 189
9/25/07 at 6:50pm
Interesting. Thanks. What is that line from Hannah and Her Sisters -- "If Jesus Christ came back today and saw what was being done in his name, he'd never stop throwing up...."
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post #156 of 189
9/25/07 at 10:39pm
Just what Christianity needed; a version of the bible that's even further removed from the original intent.
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post #157 of 189
9/26/07 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David
Just what Christianity needed; a version of the bible that's even further removed from the original intent.

How do you know what the original intent of the bible is?

Passage 1 Corinthians 6:12:
12Everything is permissible (allowable and lawful) for me; but not all things are helpful (good for me to do, expedient and profitable when considered with other things). Everything is lawful for me, but I will not become the slave of anything or be brought under its power.

as far as I know all tranclation agree that this what Paul is saying, and he says it in more then one place.

1 Corinthians 10:23
[ The Believer's Freedom ] "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is constructive. 24Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.

It seem to me that Paul's position is that everything is forgivable, but not everything is healthy.
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post #158 of 189
9/27/07 at 1:23am
My grandfather read Aramaic. His bible was a very different beast from any of the English translations. Did you know "virgin" was originally "unmarried girl of marriageable age"? Kind of changes things, don't it?

He was also very fond of pointing out that "Thou shalt not kill" should have translated as "Thou shalt not shed innocent blood".
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post #159 of 189
9/27/07 at 8:51am
Oh yeah, well my grandfather was JESUS. And one day, I showed him a bible, and he was all "What the shit! I didn't write this. Get me my whiskey, boy!"
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post #160 of 189
9/27/07 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by Greg David
My grandfather read Aramaic.
And where the hell did he pick that up? I was going to make a joke about his age being around 2000 years old, but Millette beat me with a better joke. I just think its pretty cool that the man knew how to read a dead language. He's like the science dude on Stargate!
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post #161 of 189
9/28/07 at 12:49am
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
Oh yeah, well my grandfather was JESUS. And one day, I showed him a bible, and he was all "What the shit! I didn't write this. Get me my whiskey, boy!"
But that would mean that Jesus had children, and that the church had spent all these years actively engaged in a conspiracy to cover it up. Next you're going to tell me that an unbelievably shitty author became an overnight millionaire writing about it.
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post #162 of 189
9/28/07 at 10:32am
So, they released Mychal Bell, which is a good start. I'm kind of surprised I'm the first one to post this...
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post #163 of 189
9/28/07 at 10:42am
That is good news, Chris. Thank you for posting it and for putting the thread back on track. You'll have to forgive me for derailing it again for just a moment -

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Originally Posted by donde
And where the hell did he pick that up?
Theologians learn to read Aramaic. It's not that uncommon at all. I worked at a Catholic university library last year and I answered a few reference questions that required me to ad-lib a bit of Aramaic.
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post #164 of 189
9/28/07 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Miller
So, they released Mychal Bell, which is a good start. I'm kind of surprised I'm the first one to post this...
I wonder what's going to happen next. Probably recharge him as a minor? Or is this issue dropped?
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post #165 of 189
9/28/07 at 4:28pm
http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/940/

Dr. Phil truly is king of kings.
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post #166 of 189
9/28/07 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by captain_oats
http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/940/

Dr. Phil truly is king of kings.
Somehow I doubt Dr. Phil's gonna fix this issue.
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post #167 of 189
9/28/07 at 5:32pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks
I wonder what's going to happen next. Probably recharge him as a minor? Or is this issue dropped?
I think it's pretty much a given he'll be charged as a minor as he was part of the crew that attacked the boy. And given his prior record for battery, it'd be very surprising if he wasn't retried.
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post #168 of 189
9/28/07 at 6:42pm
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Originally Posted by Diva
I think it's pretty much a given he'll be charged as a minor as he was part of the crew that attacked the boy. And given his prior record for battery, it'd be very surprising if he wasn't retried.
Yeah, they showed the pics of the attacked boy on Phil today. While he did get beat up, attempted murder charges is just sad. He had a closed eye and some swelling. Assault and battery, sure. Attempted murder? Not really.
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post #169 of 189
9/28/07 at 8:50pm
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Stranger posted bond for one of 'Jena 6'

By MICHAEL KUNZELMAN, Associated Press Writer

NEW ORLEANS - When a 17-year-old at the center of a civil rights controversy in a small Louisiana town left jail, he had a stranger to thank.

Dr. Stephen Ayers, who lives about 135 miles away, said he felt compelled to help the family of Mychal Bell by posting the teen's bond and allowing him to go home for the first time in 10 months.

Bell is one of six black teenagers accused of beating a white classmate in the central Louisiana town of Jena, where more than 20,000 demonstrators gathered last week to protest what they perceive as differences in how black and white suspects are treated.

Ayers, 42, of Lake Charles in southwestern Louisiana, said Friday that he isn't politically active and isn't usually one to "get into things like this." But then a patient whose feet hurt after the march gave him a report on the event, in which Ayers did not participate.

"I was concerned about what was going on up there and thought the district attorney was a bit harsh in his treatment of Mr. Bell," said Ayers, who is black but added that his race was not his motivation. "I really thought it was overkill."

Bell was released from custody Thursday on $45,000 bail after District Attorney Reed Walters announced that he would abandon adult charges against him. Ayers posted $5,400, the required 12 percent bond set by a judge Thursday.
The rest is here.
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post #170 of 189
9/29/07 at 2:02am
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks
I wonder what's going to happen next. Probably recharge him as a minor? Or is this issue dropped?
The issue won't be dropped. They made it pretty clear, even before he got out, that they would seek to charge him as a minor in light of the initial case being overturned.
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post #171 of 189
9/29/07 at 2:06am
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Originally Posted by Cow Puncher
The issue won't be dropped. They made it pretty clear, even before he got out, that they would seek to charge him as a minor in light of the initial case being overturned.
Well I hope they don't charge him with attempted murder as that would be wrong from what I've seen of the case.
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post #172 of 189
10/10/07 at 2:33am
Wow.

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Teenager Told To Remove Jena 6 T-Shirt

Sep 20, 2007 06:33 PM

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - School officials forced a Smyrna teenager to change her T-shirt that advocated support for six black teenagers in Louisiana.

The teenagers were charged with attempted murder after they fought a white classmate, an incident amidst escalating racial tensions at their high school.

To support their cause and a nation rally held in their small Louisiana town, individuals across the country wore black Thursday.

Dani Super, a Smyrna High School sophomore, wore a T-shirt supporting the teenagers at school.

"I just want to support these boys," Dani said.

She said she wasn't trying to cause any trouble.

"I just wanted to help," she said.

Dani and her mother were surprised when school officials asked her to change the shirt.

"What? I had no idea, why would you not allow this shirt in here," Norma Super said. "We're well aware of dress codes there's no drugs, there's no profanity, it's certainly not sexual and it's not gang related."

But according to the school, it's disruptive. They said Thursday's march in Jena sparked racial tension with Smyrna students and Dani's shirt could make things worse.

"We thought it was an appropriate action to take and we support him in that," said James Evans, Rutherford County Schools spokesman.

Under the rules of the Rutherford County Board of Education the school principal decides when a student is violating the dress code.

"They were not trying to shut down her First Amendment rights," Evans said. "They were just trying to keep the school safe. To minimize any kind of disruption they might have."

Only Dani's mother sees it another way.

"We need to stand together," Norma Super said. "We need to teach our young people to stand together, not to separate once again. This is an opportunity to teach not to punish."

Dani changed into a gym shirt and finished the rest of the school day. She said she had the shirt on because she wore it at a Jena 6 march in downtown Nashville Thursday morning.
From here.
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post #173 of 189
10/10/07 at 5:11am
Not shocking. A lot of schools are instituting a total banning of any and all clothing that has something that could in any way be construed as political.

Some places are sending kids home for doing nothing more than wearing campaign shirts.
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post #174 of 189
10/10/07 at 7:10am
"Parents have also been told to be on the lookout for this character. "
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post #175 of 189
10/10/07 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by Mr.Crowley
"Parents have also been told to be on the lookout for this character. "
That guy and his damn hip gyrations are gonna be the end of this town.

Honestly the schools rights to "keep kids safe" will always win out over a kids rights. Courts have ruled on that time and time again. Doesn't make it right, just the way it is.
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post #176 of 189
10/12/07 at 12:19pm
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post #177 of 189
10/24/07 at 12:53pm
From the Christian Science Monitor: Media myths about the Jena 6.

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Jena, La. - By now, almost everyone in America has heard of Jena, La., because they've all heard the story of the "Jena 6." White students hanging nooses barely punished, a schoolyard fight, excessive punishment for the six black attackers, racist local officials, public outrage and protests – the outside media made sure everyone knew the basics.

There's just one problem: The media got most of the basics wrong. In fact, I have never before witnessed such a disgrace in professional journalism. Myths replaced facts, and journalists abdicated their solemn duty to investigate every claim because they were seduced by a powerfully appealing but false narrative of racial injustice.

I should know. I live in Jena. My wife has taught at Jena High School for many years. And most important, I am probably the only reporter who has covered these events from the very beginning.

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post #178 of 189
10/24/07 at 2:30pm
I was coming to post the same thing. Certainly makes things more interesting.
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post #179 of 189
10/24/07 at 2:36pm
I'm skeptical about those myths. At least with regard to Jena being a great place, I recall one or two people from Louisiana confirming that it is a racist shithole.
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post #180 of 189
10/24/07 at 3:01pm
I'm pretty skeptical too, sounds waaaaay too convenient. I think Jena's town council is trying to cover their asses a bit too late.
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post #181 of 189
10/24/07 at 3:03pm
Yeah, in a case like this (ugly business in small-town USA) I think I trust a local reporter less. Too much potential for tunnel vision, and a vested interest in the town's image.

Plus, this is particularly hard to swallow:
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Originally Posted by Christian Science Monitor
An investigation by school officials, police, and an FBI agent revealed the true motivation behind the placing of two nooses in the tree the day after the assembly. According to the expulsion committee, the crudely constructed nooses were not aimed at black students. Instead, they were understood to be a prank by three white students aimed at their fellow white friends, members of the school rodeo team. (The students apparently got the idea from watching episodes of "Lonesome Dove.") The committee further concluded that the three young teens had no knowledge that nooses symbolize the terrible legacy of the lynchings of countless blacks in American history. When informed of this history by school officials, they became visibly remorseful because they had many black friends.
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post #182 of 189
10/24/07 at 3:12pm
I will say this for local reporters in small southern towns (having been one myself), oftentimes they are the ones most critical of the town. They also are the ones who have all the info.

When I was reporter we often had to catch the television reporters from other towns up on why they were there to cover certain stories.

Sad thing is I had never heard of Jena, Louisiana before all of this. Fucking yahoos. We got enough problems in Louisiana without having to deal with all this shit.

Edited to add, that of course when I was reporting, the editor and publisher wanted nothing to come out which would upset the town. So I guess it can cut both ways, too much info and knowing the truth or trying to cover up the truth for the "good of the town.".
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post #183 of 189
10/24/07 at 3:18pm
Thread Starter 
I'm critical of anything that comes from the Christian Science Monitor.
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post #184 of 189
10/24/07 at 4:05pm
I'm especially skeptical of the fucking timing of this. More and more I think about that article, more and more it pisses me off. So, only after the national spotlight hits the town, and thousands upon thousands of people protest the ugly hate going on in your town, do you try to deny every facet of the situation? Journalistic integrity indeed. I wonder how much "good old boy" money made it into that jack-off reporters dirty hands.
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post #185 of 189
10/24/07 at 4:30pm
They don't pay you in money. BBQ my friend. And deer meat (which in some cases can bebetter than money).
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post #186 of 189
10/24/07 at 4:48pm
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The committee further concluded that the three young teens had no knowledge that nooses symbolize the terrible legacy of the lynchings of countless blacks in American history.

Oh for pete's sake. No one's believing this, right?
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post #187 of 189
10/24/07 at 4:49pm
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The committee further concluded that the three young teens had no knowledge that nooses symbolize the terrible legacy of the lynchings of countless blacks in American history.
Bull and shit.
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post #188 of 189
10/25/07 at 12:25am
So their defense of the white teens' behavior lies in convincing us that they're unbelievably ignorant and stupid? That's an interesting tactic.
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post #189 of 189
10/25/07 at 4:46pm
While discussing this on another message board, a guy mentioned that the Jena 6 were using the money donated to them to buy various crap. When I asked him for proof of this, he linked to a fucking Craigslist page with a picture of a black guy with dreads and sunglasses holding money, complete with text that read like it was written by a white supremacist (also referred to Dave Bowie as a fag-boy). When I asked how he could refer to a Craigslist post as a viable source, he simply stated, "The guy in the picture is one of the Jena 6. I know this.".

Boy, sure can't argue with that.
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