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post #1 of 468
8/31/07 at 3:37pm
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Bowie Set for 'Doctor Who'

Rock legend David Bowie is set to star in the next series of British TV
series Doctor Who, playing an alien. Producers of the BBC show have targeted
the singer because of his "great other-worldly looks" according to reports.
British newspaper The Sun claims the 60-year-old will clash with actor David
Tennant's Doctor in a two-part episode of the show, which will be aired next
year. A source tells the newspaper, "Bowie said he'd be interested as long
as he's not subjected to hours of disfiguring make-up."

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Love to give a source, but I wasn't given one...and it's the Sun they're quoting.

Anyone know if this is true?

(And anyone know when Torchwood S2 starts?)
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post #2 of 468
8/31/07 at 5:52pm
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(Apparently, that quote's from IMDB. So we have a questionable source referencing a bastion of truth, the Sun.)
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post #3 of 468
8/31/07 at 7:47pm
Bowie's in spaaaaaace...

As long as a groovitational field makes an appearance, I'm happy.
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post #4 of 468
8/31/07 at 10:48pm
As much as the thought of Bowie being in Doctor Who would give me the horn, Bowies People have denied this is happening unfortunately.
Bum.
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post #5 of 468
8/31/07 at 11:15pm
But in other news, I can't wait for series 4.
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post #6 of 468
8/31/07 at 11:36pm
I love this show more than i love booze, but I am waaaaay concerned about Catherine Tate. I really didn't like her in the Runaway Bride and googled around to check out some of her sketch stuff: bleh. I have a default "instant love" setting for red heads but so far everything I have seeen her do shits me up the wall.
It will be nice to do away with the mooning doe eyed lovestruck companion but I'm pretty wary of the Tate factor.
I read that Steve Moffat was a two parter in the fourth season: YES!!!!! I hope to christ he inherits this show when Davies leaves.
And for fucks sake: lets have a rest from the Daleks. Just one season. That's all we need.
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post #7 of 468
9/1/07 at 12:31am
Could not agree more. I heard somewhere that, as per the terms of the agreement with the Terry Nation estate, Who is contractually obligated to feature the Daleks at least once a season. That's great and all, but that last two-parter (ARRRGGGGGH) really showed diminishing returns.

As for Tate...I've got my fingers crossed. Maybe she'll be great.

Maybe.
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post #8 of 468
9/1/07 at 12:39am
Now David Bowie as The Doctor; that would be something.
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post #9 of 468
9/1/07 at 1:36am
There's also been rumors about Ben Kingsley and Joan Collins showing up in season 4 (not that that makes it so). Though if Kingsley is indeed playing who rumors say he's playing, it would make the inevitable Dalek episode of season 4 a lot more interesting. Still, I'm skeptical as hell.

The only rumor to come up so far that seems to have some truth to it is that 5th Doctor Peter Davison will appear in the Who segment for the upcoming Children in Need special. And even then, that's me taking Sylvester McCoy's word for it...not that I think he's lying, of course--he could just be misinformed.

And I wholeheartedly agree that Moffat would be perfect to take over.
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post #10 of 468
9/1/07 at 2:07am
Why'd they can Freema Agyeman? She was fine.
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post #11 of 468
9/1/07 at 2:48am
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Originally Posted by PMR
Why'd they can Freema Agyeman? She was fine.
She's not technically canned...she'll be in a few episodes of Torchwood, and then back for the last few episodes of S4. But as to why they went that route, I'm not sure. She was fine, the only problem I had with her character was the unrequited love angle...which was certainly not Agyeman's fault. Davies mishandled that.
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post #12 of 468
9/1/07 at 2:56am
She was certainly the best-looking companion the Doctor has ever had, but I felt zero chemistry between them, romantic or otherwise. Again, not her fault in any way. This is why they're supposed to screen test lead actors together before giving the part away.
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post #13 of 468
9/1/07 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by Greg David
She was certainly the best-looking companion the Doctor has ever had, but I felt zero chemistry between them, romantic or otherwise. Again, not her fault in any way. This is why they're supposed to screen test lead actors together before giving the part away.
They actually did screen test her a fair bit if I remember correctly after casting her as a quickly dispatched Torchwood agent in second series. Martha was a great character who buried Rose in the Take Care Of Themselves Department, but having the Doctor still mooning after Rose was a bad idea and it muffled the connection the two performers were able to develop, I think.
The idea of having a companion he comes back to after they have left him is brilliant. It hasn't been done before outside that one Sarah Jane episode so it's a new idea. Can't wait.
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post #14 of 468
9/1/07 at 1:27pm
You know which episode shows good onscreen (not necessarily romantic) chemistry between those two? Smith & Jones. Watching it again got me all re-frustrated that Davies went the "unrequited love" route with Martha, because it made her a far less interesting character. In that first episode, she has so much potential...

Wait. I just realized I'm discussing S3 in the S4 thread. I'm gonna hold off on any more posts until the new series gets here.
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post #15 of 468
9/4/07 at 11:06am
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As the person who started this thread, I don't care that you're discussing S3, especially as it DOES relate to S4

"There's also been rumors about Ben Kingsley and Joan Collins showing up in season 4 (not that that makes it so). Though if Kingsley is indeed playing who rumors say he's playing, it would make the inevitable Dalek episode of season 4 a lot more interesting."


Davros?
Cause he kinda looks like him.
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post #16 of 468
9/4/07 at 1:51pm
It's all over the place that season four is gonna be followed by a gap in the show, with only three specials being taped for 2009. And the way it's being talked about, I'd lay money on those specials being based around Tennant's swansong from the role.
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post #17 of 468
9/4/07 at 2:06pm
I just can't get my head around why the BBC would want to stymie what has been a fairly remarkable cash cow for them. Aside from a few ratings wobbles here and there Doctor Who has been fairly dominant in the UK and the merchandising side is doing exceptionally well.

I know they're cutting back money on ALL dramas due to budgetary restraints but it seems like odd business to try and get rid of one of their key assets.
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post #18 of 468
9/4/07 at 2:07pm
Has anyone else heard that Billie Piper is returning in S4? It was said pretty matter-of-factly on TV Squad today, but it was the first I'd heard of it. I know that it's not a popular sentiment in the fan community, but I'm a fan of that particular character.
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post #19 of 468
9/4/07 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall
I just can't get my head around why the BBC would want to stymie what has been a fairly remarkable cash cow for them. Aside from a few ratings wobbles here and there Doctor Who has been fairly dominant in the UK and the merchandising side is doing exceptionally well.

I know they're cutting back money on ALL dramas due to budgetary restraints but it seems like odd business to try and get rid of one of their key assets.
They're not canning it - season five is 100% confirmed for 2010. This might be a way of appeasing RTD before he exits stage left. He's writing the three specials before riding off into the sunset.
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post #20 of 468
9/4/07 at 2:15pm
It still seems odd to have a one year gap just to facilitate a new show runner. Although if they used the regular funding of a series to produce three massive on shot episodes it could be pretty spectacular.
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post #21 of 468
9/4/07 at 2:46pm
Or they could be hoping that the reduced schedule will be enough to convince Tennant to stick with the role. I think that's pretty likely - he wants a break to do other stuff, so the BBC cut back on WHO for a year. I don't think it'll be enough to keep hold of him, but I think that's what they're trying to do.
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post #22 of 468
9/4/07 at 2:49pm
It'll be interesting to see how the ratings change when Tennant leaves, say what you want about Ecclestone (and I think he brought the series back magnificently) but Tennant really became this generations Doctor.

You could probably draw a corrolation between Troughton and Baker. Ecclestone and Troughton were the better actors but Tennant and Baker just have the charm and personality and willingness to be the Doctor which makes them iconic. I wonder if the show could afford to lose such a valuable asset so prematurely.
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post #23 of 468
9/4/07 at 2:56pm
Depends who they cast in his place. Now would be the time to announce a much-loved guy to follow in his footsteps.
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post #24 of 468
9/4/07 at 2:59pm
Aside from James McAvoy, Matthew McFayden and maybe Toby Stephens I can't think of any young actors who'd be able to take over from Tennant without Colin Bakeritis striking.
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post #25 of 468
9/4/07 at 3:01pm
Shit, cast old then. Bring in Bill Nighy - the guy's been salivating after the role for years.
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post #26 of 468
9/4/07 at 3:04pm
When I said young, I meant inexperienced or cheap. I doubt they could get the coffers to bring in Bill Nighy...and I doubt they'd want to cast that old anyways. But yeah someone like Nighy would be fantastic as a Hartnell esque grumpy old bastard.

If he wasn't the Master I'd say John Simm would make a fantastic doctor.
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post #27 of 468
9/4/07 at 3:09pm
I remember coming across this topic on another message board and there were thoughts of having James Nesbitt or even wanting Nick Frost for the role.

Can't say much about those choices but when Tennant does leave he's got some very big shoes to fill.
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post #28 of 468
9/4/07 at 3:10pm
Dylan Moran!

YES.
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post #29 of 468
9/4/07 at 3:38pm
Dylan Moran looks like a cross between John Cusack and Patrick Troughton.
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post #30 of 468
9/4/07 at 5:22pm
Dylan Moran would be awesome as the Doctor, hell cast Bill Bailey as his male companion and I'd fund the series personally.
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post #31 of 468
9/4/07 at 5:48pm
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Nick Frost?

Uh...no? I mean, I like the man, but might as well cast Nathan Fillion...they're both about as right for the role.

Nighy would be fantastic, and if he really wants to the role, might cut his fees.

What's the talk of Tennant leaving? anything substantial? Because he's always said he'll be around for a while, and this smacks of someone hearing that he wanted to do other things (and he has plenty of time to do so, given he's only filming 13 eps and a christmas special), and blowing it out of proportion to say that he wants to leave the show.

Do we have a legit story on this?
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post #32 of 468
9/4/07 at 5:52pm
It's pretty well-documented in the English press that Tennant's drawing his Doctor run to a close, and he's been very noncommital about anything beyond the stuff he's already agreed to. Plus, Russell T. Davies, the guy who brought him onto the show, is leaving in two years' time. Tennant hasn't come out and said "I'm leaving" yet, but it's more than 50-50 that come series five someone else will be piloting the TARDIS.
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post #33 of 468
9/4/07 at 5:56pm
Plus, the show's a real grind on Tennant. He works like a maniac.
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post #34 of 468
9/4/07 at 6:52pm
Thread Starter 
*eyes that last sentence*

The show IS part of his work....
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post #35 of 468
9/4/07 at 7:10pm
Tennant is far more active as a Public Doctor as well. He does a lot more publicity stuff and films more episodes than Ecclestone, which is why the series has to have a Doctor-Lite episode each season...to facilitate the Christmas Special filming.
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post #36 of 468
9/5/07 at 12:08am
Tis official:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre...r/03/who.shtml

Five bucks on Tennant not coming back in 2010.
A year off from the show is a brilliant idea though.
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post #37 of 468
9/5/07 at 12:19am
Moffat won his second Hugo for Girl in the Fireplace!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/...03/48473.shtml
If it wasn't for the Human Nature/Family of Blood installment from this year I would say he would be a shoe in next year for Blink, but that double parter kicked an unholy amount of ass.

Also: More Ood!!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/...25/47491.shtml
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post #38 of 468
9/5/07 at 2:03am
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall
Tennant is far more active as a Public Doctor as well. He does a lot more publicity stuff...
Yeah, that was what I meant by working like a maniac...he does A LOT of PR. Plus, he fits in other jobs in whatever short time away from Who production that he has.

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...and films more episodes than Ecclestone, which is why the series has to have a Doctor-Lite episode each season...to facilitate the Christmas Special filming.
I'll be interested, after all of Tennant's run has finished, to see where he ranks among Doctors as far as total screen hours goes.
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post #39 of 468
9/5/07 at 12:43pm
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Tennant will work himself to death after his tenure is done. That's the way he is. My point isn't that Dr. Who is grueling for him, it's that if he wants a change, just say you want a change.

When he took up the mantle, he was warned about how grueling it was, and he said he was going to stick around for many years. Maybe that's why the news irritates me. It's not like I suddenly don't like him or anything...still love him. Outside of the Doctor, as well...he was fantastic in Casanova, not to mention Pretty Little Things.

Hell, Hugh Laurie said he had no idea how grueling US TV was when he signed up for House.
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post #40 of 468
9/5/07 at 11:59pm
There's another guy I could stand to see as The Doctor.
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post #41 of 468
9/6/07 at 12:59am
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Originally Posted by Greg David
There's another guy I could stand to see as The Doctor.
Yep, yep, yep.
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post #42 of 468
9/6/07 at 1:01am
Hugh Laurie as the doctor? I sure as hell can dig it.
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post #43 of 468
9/7/07 at 2:07pm
Another vote for Laurie, that would be great.
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post #44 of 468
10/21/07 at 9:57pm
It's official, in a few weeks the 5th Doctor will meet the 10th:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/...21/50016.shtml
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post #45 of 468
10/21/07 at 10:12pm
Here's an idea: a season-opener where the Doctor contracts a deadly (to Gallifreyans) disease that causes him to die and regenerate several times in an episode, and make each (short-lived) incarnation be a Very Special Guest Star - Bowie, Kingsley, Laurie, Frost, etc. - with the final cured incarnation being the new Doctor. How's that for a slice of fried gold?
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post #46 of 468
10/21/07 at 10:21pm
It's kind of weird when they do these crossovers. I mean, the guy looks so much older than when his character died. When they did it with Pertwee and Troughton, it kind of worked, because they were older curmudgeons to begin with. Davison's reign was dominated by all the talk about being the youngest Doctor ever.

Not that I'm against this. His run was one of my favorites. I'm looking forward to seeing him again.
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post #47 of 468
10/21/07 at 11:07pm
It's good they're doing a crossover but come on, what about Tom Baker?

While I'm here I may as well ask about something that's been bothering me. I remember hearing something about the 12th doctor being quite the bastard but I can't think when or where or indeed if it's even real? Anyone have an answer?
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post #48 of 468
10/21/07 at 11:38pm
I don't think Tom Baker was an option. They did a big reunion show back in the Davison run, and they had to use previously unaired footage of Baker, then throw his character in stasis for the rest of the story. I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing him in that hat again.

What's the 12th Doctor?
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post #49 of 468
10/21/07 at 11:40pm
Color me interested and I've been meaning to check out a couple of Davidson episodes. Any suggestions?
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post #50 of 468
10/22/07 at 12:07am
Tom Baker could work as a cameo, but not as a Doctor cameo. His age and bloat would be hard to work around (same with Colin). Of the pre-8th Doctor Doctors, Davison actually resembles his old Doctor persona the best of any of 'em (McCoy's looking kinda gaunt these days).

I think this 12th Doctor thing Nate mentioned is the Valeyard, which is technically the evil part of the Doctor extracted from his final regeneration. From the 6th Doctor Trial of a Time Lord series.

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Color me interested and I've been meaning to check out a couple of Davidson episodes. Any suggestions?
By far (IMO) the best Davison story is The Caves of Androzani, which happens to be his last one.
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