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post #51 of 119
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Originally Posted by Gabriel Williams
Mark King - Level 42 (hate the music, but he's a phenomenal bassist)
Nice to see the Mark King love. Just an amazing bass player.

James Jamerson and Bob Babbit - Funk Brothers

Donald "Duck" Dunn - Most famous for the Blues Brothers but also the bassist for Booker T and the MGs

Willie Dixon

Tommy Shannon - Double Trouble

Roscoe Beck

Quite simply these guys influence my style more then anyone. The bass as a rhythm instrument plus the ability to take lead when necessary. I love their versatility and their ability to sit in the pocket and support the band.
post #52 of 119
John Myung, Dream Theater. I know he's been mentioned, but DAMMIT! I'm mentioning him again! Total spider-fingers on the bass.

I'll second the Geddy Lee and Tony Levin love as well.
post #53 of 119
I'll third the Levin. Papa Bear is the shit.

But damn, kids....James Jamerson. James FUCKING Jamerson. Seriously. Listen to the bass on all those freakin hits from Motown and keep this in mind: He used one finger. There's stuff most guys can't PLAY without two hands working it and he pulled everything with his index finger. Talk about timing. Talk about strength. Listen to his note choices and the pocket and the groove and then look at your great techical guys and ask how many top ten hits they played on.

For sheer taste, tone, approach and chart success, I doubt you can truly find a worthy competitor to the man.
post #54 of 119
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
I bet nobody saw this coming, but I'm going to chime in with my appreciation for Sting, but only in his time with the Police. His bass was more a lead instrument than Summers' guitar on a lot of those songs, especially on songs like "The Bed's Too Big Without You" and "Spirits in the Material World."
I was waiting for that as well. I dig his Police stuff, too. Even though it's a straight eighth note kind of line, "Every Breath You Take" is just rhythmically & melodically perfect for the song. And really listen to the bass line in "Everything She Does is Magic". If you never thought od Sting as much of a bass player, this tune will make you wonder: 'Where the hell did THIS come from?"
post #55 of 119
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Originally Posted by HtP
You guys are listing a lot of rock players. Rock bass players are fine at what they do, I just don't really think it's the genre to be looking for great players.
I'd say Mingus, Pastorious, Clarke, Marcus Miller, Victor Wooten, John Patitucci, James Jameson are the kind of guys that deserve more study & appreciation.
Nowhere did I say this was limited to rockers. Bring on the other genres. Except for Mingus & Pastorious, I don't think I've ever heard any of the others you list, although I've heard OF all of them. Frankly, I'm surprised it's taken this long to get to some jazz guys as well.
post #56 of 119
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Originally Posted by Keith Fordyce
First person to mention Mark Anthony gets stabbed in the eye.
Why would anyone mention J-Lo's husband?
post #57 of 119
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Originally Posted by ryedog_uk
Why would anyone mention J-Lo's husband?

Because I'm an idiot. Who was drained of life and energy by Rob Zombie's Halloween. That's right, I'm blaming Halloween.

And I'm also pissed because I forgot to mention Mingus earlier as well. Shit.
post #58 of 119
I saw Pastorius with Weather Report when I was in college. He was amazing. In fact, with Weather Report's lineup at that time, it was almost like there was too much talent on stage. Stanley Clarke performed later that year in the same series.
post #59 of 119
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Originally Posted by The Nid Hog
I saw Pastorius with Weather Report when I was in college. He was amazing. In fact, with Weather Report's lineup at that time, it was almost like there was too much talent on stage. Stanley Clarke performed later that year in the same series.
Wow... I've seen Clarke play live, but Weather Report with Jaco would've been incredible. That guy had technique, theory, groove, taste... everything.

I'm not meaning to disrespect rock players at all, by the way. Hope my previous post didn't read that way.

I'd like to put forward Doug Wimbish (Tackhead & Living Color)

(Edited to correct crap spelling)
post #60 of 119
If you've never heard of Victor Wooten:

1) Shame on you
2) enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR6t47pV8Qc
3) also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9a4ThBNacY
post #61 of 119
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
I have to be cliche and say Les Claypool. Love love love Primus.
Agreed. Watching him play is fucking nuts, I don't know how anyone's fingers can move like that.
post #62 of 119
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Originally Posted by The Nid Hog
I saw Pastorius with Weather Report when I was in college. He was amazing. In fact, with Weather Report's lineup at that time, it was almost like there was too much talent on stage. Stanley Clarke performed later that year in the same series.
Those are some great shows. Wish I went to your school. . . best we could come up with was The Wailers (minus Bob Marley, of course).
post #63 of 119
Justin Chanceller of Tool.

P-Nut of 311.

Fieldy from Korn isn't that good of a bass player, but his slap/pop style fits their music well.

Limp Bizkit sucked ass, but Sam Rivers was a hell of a bass player. In fact, that whole band had talent except for Durst.

Gene Simmons. A great meat and potatoes bass player.

Donald "Duck" Dunn. The Blues Brothers, also a big session player.
post #64 of 119
Here's one that just came to me, Ryan Martinie from Mudvayne. Say what you will about Mudvayne, but I think he is a great bass player.
post #65 of 119
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg
Surprised no one's mentioned McCartney yet. "Silly Love Songs" was once described in Bass Player Magazine as "an insipid song witha great bassline." I'm inclined to agree. Not being a Beatles fan, though, I don't know much about what he did w/ them. Can anyone suggest some Beatles songs that showcase his melodic style?
All of Abbey Road, especially I Want You (She's so Heavy) and You Never Give Me Your Money.

I can't recommend anyone in here that hasn't already been mentioned, I'm a fan of Mingus, Claypool and Wooten when it comes to "Non-Band" players (in other words, bass players that can stand alone, you don't need to hear them with the rest of the band). I've always loved McCartney' s bass work, and I've always liked Sting's simple but effective playing. Mark Sandman's passing was a huge loss to the bass guitar, and music in general.

I should look up, but I'll ask instead, has anyone mentioned Bootsy? You wouldn't have most of the Slap and Poppers without Bootsy Collins.
post #66 of 119
I want to echo the Victor Wooten love. The dude's AMAZING, both live and on record.
post #67 of 119
Les Claypool
Les Claypool
Les Claypool
post #68 of 119
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Originally Posted by Chris Miller
I should look up, but I'll ask instead, has anyone mentioned Bootsy? You wouldn't have most of the Slap and Poppers without Bootsy Collins.
Bootsy may have popularized it, but Larry Graham usually gets credited with inventing it.

Also, with all the talk of James Jamerson (rightly), I'm surprised no one's brought up Carol Kaye, who played on tons of 60s recordings and claims to have played some of the parts normally attributed to Jamerson.

Wooten is fun as hell to watch live. He manages to not get too hung up on the technical showmanship (and he smokes anyone else I've seen in this capacity) and keeps things nice and melodic.

The problem with Great Bassists is often that they're not very adaptable. It seems like once they reach a certain level of technique that they lose the ability to hang back and just play a melody or a groove. Thus they continue to work in jazz and in prog-rock environments that require insane levels of musicianship, but they can't play a Beatles cover without doing runs up and down the fretboard or slapping over the whole thing. So I've got a lot of respect for Tony Levin, who maintains a pretty audible personal style, but manages to handle the off-time, complicated wackiness in latter-day King Crimson and can still nail a groove on one of Peter Gabriel's pop-soul offerings like "Steam."

And I love Mark Sandman's playing, too. Incredibly unique and moody.

Also, major props to John Entwhistle who was basically covering for Keith Moon's wonderfully solo-happy lack of backbeat and Pete Townshend's preference for big chords over melody lines.
post #69 of 119
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Originally Posted by BubWilliams
You can't forget Derek Smalls.
His highlight was obviously the free-form exploration in "Jazz Odyssey"
post #70 of 119
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Originally Posted by Matt OCallaghan
Seen Primus twice live and I have to say, it is not a cliche to mention Claypool when this topic comes up. The man is insane.
I recall driving around in the mid-90s listening to some "alternative" station - they played the Spin Doctors' "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong" (which, whatever you think of it, has a pretty snappy bassline that requires some dexterity to play) and I was thinking "hmm, that guy isn't half bad...." when the next song, "Wynonna's Big Brown Beaver" came on. Ain't the same ballpark, ain't the same league, barely the same goddamn SPORT.
post #71 of 119
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Originally Posted by Keith Fordyce

And I'm also pissed because I forgot to mention Mingus earlier as well. Shit.
One can only expect that Fordyce stabbed himself in the eye during a fit of integrity.
post #72 of 119
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Originally Posted by DaveB
Bootsy may have popularized it, but Larry Graham usually gets credited with inventing it.
That's my understanding of how it gets credited, as well. One thing that always puzzled me, though, was the absolute hatred Anthony Jackson had for the whole idea of slapping. He wrote it off as some bastardized slop that wasn't "true" bass playing in his regular column in Bass Player Magazine. He just came off like a bitter, pretentious, closed minded fuck. And almost no one outside the bass playing community knows who he is, anyway. I doubt he had much effect on his readers, either.

While we're on the subject of slapping, a style I never could really do well, either, one guy I've been meaning for years to get into, after reading an article about him, is Rocco Prestia of Tower of Power; he supposedly gets a percussive, slap like sound out of his bass w/o actually slapping it. Apparently, he uses a lot of staccato (muffling/muting the strings w/ the palm of the hand or another finger) to get a remarkably similar effect. I never got around to buying a ToP record, though (at least, not yet). Anyone know if this claim is true?
post #73 of 119
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Originally Posted by BubWilliams
You should watch the Live Earth version with every bass player in the known universe.
I can't fucking believe I let that sit unwatched, for 2 whole days. That was so fucking cool! Good job w/ the link.
post #74 of 119
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg
While we're on the subject of slapping, a style I never could really do well, either, one guy I've been meaning for years to get into, after reading an article about him, is Rocco Prestia of Tower of Power; he supposedly gets a percussive, slap like sound out of his bass w/o actually slapping it. Apparently, he uses a lot of staccato (muffling/muting the strings w/ the palm of the hand or another finger) to get a remarkably similar effect. I never got around to buying a ToP record, though (at least, not yet). Anyone know if this claim is true?
Rocco is dynamite. He had a very unique style that allowed him to pluck and mute yet never lose the sustain. Apparently he's quite ill right now but hopefully he'll recover to play with ToP again.

Pick up Live and in Living Color for some great live cuts or Ain't Nothin Stoppin' Us Now for his studio work. The production on Ain't Nothin' sound a little dated but the music is hot.
post #75 of 119
If we're talking jazz then Jimmy Garrison should be mentioned, he was a superb bass player.
post #76 of 119
1) Charles Mingus

Yeah, that'll do it.
post #77 of 119
For favorite, I'll have to say Marcus Miller and Flea.

Claypool is one crazy motherfucker, and there's a video of him doing a solo, titled 'Awakening', that is just incredible and great and melodic, but I have to say that while I recognize his talent in everything he does, they're not all great to me.

Rob Trujillo's old funk-metal band, Infectious Grooves had some really great bastard basslines, and that cocksucker can play anything.

For all you players out there, here's someone to look up to: Bill Clements
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ThulqDmKc
post #78 of 119
It's Flea bitches!!

Victor Wooten too. He's essentially a base guitar attached to anthropomorphic organic material.
post #79 of 119
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Originally Posted by Banacheq
Rob Trujillo's old funk-metal band, Infectious Grooves had some really great bastard basslines, and that cocksucker can play anything.
Not to mention he can do a mean crab walk while playing.
post #80 of 119
Brian Wilson/Carol Kaye - if any one instrument could be singled out as the most important instrument on Pet Sounds, I think it would be bass.
post #81 of 119
Came across this video of Primus doing Master of Puppets, awesome is all I can really say.
post #82 of 119
I've seen Primus live three or four times, and I've gotta say they got a little more boring every time. Claypool is great at what he does, but what he does seems to require writing the same batch of songs over and over again. You're only experimental until it becomes obvious that you're a one-trick pony.

One of the more interesting times I saw Claypool play was on an 'experimental' stage at the Horde tour, where he and Mark Sandman co-fronted an unannounced Morphine/Primus hybrid band and played a few obscure Morphine songs. Primus' regular set that day was okay and Morphine's was stellar, but it was neat to see Claypool and Sandman having a good time fucking around... until Leftover Salmon, a shitty jam band, started on an adjacent stage, forcing them to stop and prompting the evil eye from Sandman.
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post #84 of 119
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Originally Posted by DaveB
I've seen Primus live three or four times, and I've gotta say they got a little more boring every time. Claypool is great at what he does, but what he does seems to require writing the same batch of songs over and over again. You're only experimental until it becomes obvious that you're a one-trick pony.
I have to agree. I saw them live about a year ago and it was incredibly underwhelming. I love their records but their live shows (and maybe this is only true of their more recent shows) lack the kind of manic energy that the albums suggest. A lot of their songs, when all three members are all going full throttle, seem like they could go off the hinges at any moment. Not true of their live show.
post #85 of 119
I've seen Primus quite a few times, granted not since the nineties, and energy was never the problem. Hmm.

In this decade I've seen Les and his various forms probably just as many times and never did I think he or his band were underwhelming or phoning it in.

I don't know. I'm busy stabbing myself in the eye anyway.
post #86 of 119
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Originally Posted by Keith Fordyce
I've seen Primus quite a few times, granted not since the nineties, and energy was never the problem. Hmm.

In this decade I've seen Les and his various forms probably just as many times and never did I think he or his band were underwhelming or phoning it in.

I don't know. I'm busy stabbing myself in the eye anyway.
For the record, it's probably less their energy and more mine. Last time I saw them (late 90s), they seemed perfectly happy and excited to be playing the same types of songs over and over again. I was just bored with it.
post #87 of 119
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Originally Posted by DaveB

The problem with Great Bassists is often that they're not very adaptable. It seems like once they reach a certain level of technique that they lose the ability to hang back and just play a melody or a groove. Thus they continue to work in jazz and in prog-rock environments that require insane levels of musicianship, but they can't play a Beatles cover without doing runs up and down the fretboard or slapping over the whole thing. So I've got a lot of respect for Tony Levin, who maintains a pretty audible personal style, but manages to handle the off-time, complicated wackiness in latter-day King Crimson and can still nail a groove on one of Peter Gabriel's pop-soul offerings like "Steam."
Exactly. Frankly, I don't give two shits about bass-players who can kick-ass. A good musician plays exactly what the song needs and nothing more. This is why I hate prog-rock like Rush, bands like Primus, and the last Tool record. It's no longer about the song and it's more like showing off. Primus is one of the worst offenders in this regard. It's like Les Claypool would learn some new bass technique and write a song around it. Feh. 10,000 Days suffers so much because Tool forgot how to meld their abilities with songwriting.

For my money, my favorite bass-players are Mike Mills from R.E.M., Eric Avery from Jane's Addiction, and John Curley from Afghan Whigs.
post #88 of 119
Here's a list of my favorites. Hard to pick a number one.

Jack Bruce
Cliff Burton
Les Claypool
Bootsy Collins
Donald "Duck" Dunn
John Entwistle
Flea
Larry Graham
Steve Harris
John Paul Jones
Geddy Lee
Tony Levin
Christopher Squire
Mike Watt
post #89 of 119
Noel Redding. Gotta respect a guy who could hold his own in a trio with Hendrix. Even more interesting to note that prior to auditioning for the Experience, Redding didn't play bass , he played guitar, and Hendrix just liked his attitude.
post #90 of 119
As far as rock bassists, my favorite would be Mike Watt, who plays stuff as complex as Flea or Claypool without being as showy.

Of course, you have to give it up for Larry Graham .

And I really love how Mike Mills' basslines always seem to complement, flesh out, or provide some counterpoint for REM's songs. He really adds something to the songs with his playing.
post #91 of 119
My faves:

Geezer Butler
Cliff Burton
Sting
Les Claypool
Steve Youth
Tony Lombardo
Karl Alvarez
Noel Redding
John Paul Jones
Joe Lally
Daryl Jennifer
Bootsy Collins
Larry Graham
post #92 of 119
Oh yeah, and Norwood Fisher - I'm surprised no one's mentioned him actually. He's ridiculous.
post #93 of 119
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Originally Posted by Matt OCallaghan
Also saw Joe Satriani live aeons ago and Stuart Hamm left an impression.
Stu Hamm is the only CD I have that's exclusively bass-themed. I also saw him with Satriani and was hooked. My favorite of his--"Country Music (A Night in Hell)". Not really because of any great hooks, changes, etc., but just for the pure hilarity of the song. There are no lyrics, but there's an intro and outro that gives you an idea of what the title means.
post #94 of 119
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Originally Posted by HunterRose
Oh yeah, and Norwood Fisher - I'm surprised no one's mentioned him actually. He's ridiculous.
Yeah he is. That bass break he does on "Bonin' in the Boneyard" is pretty amazing. I actually met him a few weeks ago. Cool guy.
post #95 of 119
CJ & Dee Dee. Big Ben from Soundgarden. Dave Wm. Sims from Jesus Lizard. Off the top of my head.
post #96 of 119
I'm gonna go with the Mark King love as well. He's awesome.
post #97 of 119
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Originally Posted by Devildoubt
Exactly. Frankly, I don't give two shits about bass-players who can kick-ass. A good musician plays exactly what the song needs and nothing more. This is why I hate prog-rock like Rush, bands like Primus, and the last Tool record. It's no longer about the song and it's more like showing off. Primus is one of the worst offenders in this regard. It's like Les Claypool would learn some new bass technique and write a song around it. Feh. 10,000 Days suffers so much because Tool forgot how to meld their abilities with songwriting.

For my money, my favorite bass-players are Mike Mills from R.E.M., Eric Avery from Jane's Addiction, and John Curley from Afghan Whigs.
I don't disagree with you or DaveB (who you quoted) in that I think playing with "taste" & in-the-pocket is very important. I'd argue that a lot of rock tracks don't have the interesting grooves or changes to make the bass lines
themselves all that interesting. & "taste" (subjective as it is) is not automatically absent in bass playing outside the genre of rock/pop.

& you are right - often, songs are constructed around the player's style. But, if it's a groove-based song, I don't see why this would be a problem, provided the song is worth listening to of course.

I also agree that a lot of players stand out because the bass lines are almost incongruous to the song. If it is incongruous, it IS a shit line played without "taste" and/or the song is shit, so I'm not gonna argue with that one.

See, I did it again - I sound like I'm dissing rock/pop players. & I honestly am not. My point is that a lot of rock/pop players play well. I may enjoy the track but I don't find the "playing" itself impressive.
post #98 of 119
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Originally Posted by HtP
ISee, I did it again - I sound like I'm dissing rock/pop players. & I honestly am not. My point is that a lot of rock/pop players play well. I may enjoy the track but I don't find the "playing" itself impressive.
I guess it comes down to what you consider "impressive"; technical ability & chops, the ability to maintain a good groove, or something else? No judgments either way are being expressed (not be me, anyway). You like what you like.

I see Chris Squire got his 1st mention. I respect his ability, but I can't stand the way his bass sounds (its tone comes across as too midrangy & growly, almost like he's trying to compete w/ the lead instruments). I like a more percussive, thumpy, low register tone. While his playing may be jusy a half step above adequate, one guy who has just killer tone, IMO, is Duff McKagan from Guns 'N' Roses. I bought a GK 400RB head because that's what he uses. I also like the sound you get from an old Precision style bass; they used to put foam rubber under the strings at the bridge in the factory (trying, I guess, to get as close to the sound of an acoustic upright as possible). Roger Waters' sound is a good example of this. So is Steve Harris', for that matter. I made a foam muffle out of some packing foam that came w/ a case of salsa I got for Christmas many years ago, and still use it. My guita guru got all nostalgic when I brought my bass in to get the truss rod straightened and he saw that.
post #99 of 119
A second vote for Mr. Gordon Sumner. Classic pop stuff.
post #100 of 119
Just for some aural/visual reference:

Tony Levin playing on Peter Gabriel's Steam I find this performance amazing because Levin plays in the pocket while still creating a unique performance. Just fuckin' amazing!

James Jamerson playing on Marvin Gaye's What's Goin' On Just a beautiful bass line that keeps the song driving forward.

Willie Dixon's I'm Nervous His bass line's are still the standard for Memphis style blues. Plus it's a great vocal performance from one of the greats.


Mark King with Level 42 Love Games
White boys can play funk, too!

Rocco from Tower of Power What is Hip Again, just a great sound with an amazing funk groove.

And lastly the brilliant Donald "Duck" Dunn with Eric Clapton plus the rest of the MGs - Love Minus Zero Couldn't find a video version of B Movie Box Car Blues which not only contains a brilliant bass line from Dunn but a really smooth guitar lick from Matt Murphy (mmmm...a strat clean through a Marshall)
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