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post #1 of 76
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Bin Laden plans to release new video

By LEE KEATH, Associated Press Writer Fri Sep 7, 5:09 AM ET

CAIRO, Egypt - The first new images of Osama bin Laden in nearly three years will be released ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, al-Qaida's media arm announced, a move that would end the terror mastermind's longest period without a message.
From AP by way of days-long headlines, pictures and red text on drudge report.

The headline and lede of this story are so strange. First, way back after 9/11, Bush "told" Bin Laden something like "You can run but you cannot hide." Now, it's like Washington and the corporate media have turned into Bin Laden's publicists.

Now read the lede: the story springs from an announcement by "al-Qaida's media arm." wtf?

Obviously there are forces in Washington that desperately want Americans to fear an imminent attack along the lines of 9/11 but this is like Dr. Tongue's 3D House of Terr'rists. How can people report this kind of $#!& with a straight face?
post #2 of 76
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"al-Qaida's media arm."
Al' Qa'ida is known to actually have a very modern and savvy media group. There's been stories from reporters about meeting with Al' Qa'ida operatives and seeing that the operatives' media equipment was better than there own.
post #3 of 76
I hear that Britney is releasing a new album as well...coincidence?
post #4 of 76
Can't wait till I can buy t-shirts and mugs from al Qaida's "marketing and promotions" arm.
post #5 of 76
I'm waiting for the Al Qaida theme park ride.
post #6 of 76
He was also seen at the Venice film festival. I think he's dating Isabelle Adjani.
post #7 of 76
I wonder if anyone will break street on the video.
post #8 of 76
Bin Laden? We don't care about him anymore, right? Especially because we're "kicking ass" in Iraq?
post #9 of 76
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Originally Posted by stelios
He was also seen at the Venice film festival. I think he's dating Isabelle Adjani.
That BASTARD!
post #10 of 76
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Originally Posted by Madman Mundt
That BASTARD!
It's the beard I tell you. Has to be.
post #11 of 76
al-Qaida's next objective? Combating the rise of illegal downloads, that are eating away at their profit margins.
post #12 of 76
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Originally Posted by donde
Al' Qa'ida is known to actually have a very modern and savvy media group. There's been stories from reporters about meeting with Al' Qa'ida operatives and seeing that the operatives' media equipment was better than there own.
I realize that, but it's a little &^%$#$% absurd that the govt and the corporate media are its ad-hoc publicity arm. Of course they've got state of the art equipment; they're obviously well-funded.

My question is: what has happened to our press corps that they're transcribing press releases from &*^%$% al-Qaida because the administration wants scary bogeyman headlines? Isn't that kind of the definition of "terror"? And doesn't that make the administration/CIA and corporate media hacks accessories to al-Qaida's "terror" tactics?
post #13 of 76
It would make them accessories if DHS was planning on elevating the color on the Rainbow of Doom this weekend but I heard on the news this morning that there are no plans for that. Everything is fine, America.
post #14 of 76
I'm looking forward to the bin Laden Henna Tattoo kit.
post #15 of 76
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Originally Posted by stelios
He was also seen at the Venice film festival. I think he's dating Isabelle Adjani.
I hear he's signed with ICM and has a potential deal with Columbia.
post #16 of 76
Maybe the debut of his new video will finally get MTV to start playing music again.
post #17 of 76
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Originally Posted by yt
My question is: what has happened to our press corps that they're transcribing press releases from &*^%$% al-Qaida because the administration wants scary bogeyman headlines?
Can you support your allegation regarding the motives of our press corps?
post #18 of 76
Yeah, I really can't blame the press for covering this. It's news. He hasn't been seen on video in the West for three years.
post #19 of 76
Hmm...if production values are so high for al-qaeda, then are the caves merely sets? Its all about deception.

Wait...didn't Bruce Willis kill this guy?

As for allegations, the proof is that the magical ice cream truck has raised the fun level to the color chartreuse! Not really, but I wonder if the terror alert will come back. I also wonder if the press isn't making him into a sort of celebrity? Or, alternately, it is al-qaeda trying to do this?Don't be surprised if he appears in the video with a suit and blinged out beard.
post #20 of 76
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Originally Posted by Raspberry Leper
I wonder if anyone will break street on the video.
Well I did pick up my copy today at Toys R Us.
post #21 of 76
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
Can you support your allegation regarding the motives of our press corps?
Let me ask you something, though. Are there any laws on the books about broadcasting enemy propaganda? Because, really, the only comment from Bin Laden that I would consider newsworthy would be delivered from behind bars.

Bin Laden was responsible for the murder of 3000 Americans. Yet Bush has made no real efforts to bring him to justice, and was even quoted as saying, "I really don't care where he is." Not dangerous enough to go out and arrest, but scary enough to put on TV as an election approaches.

So, in effect, the Bush administration and willing corporate media would rather help Bin Laden reach a global audience with his pseudo-religious babblings (that allegedly inspired the act in the first place) than show the American people that the government we pay for is capable of executing justice for the worst mass murder on US shores.

You don't think that shows complicity?
post #22 of 76
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
Yeah, I really can't blame the press for covering this. It's news. He hasn't been seen on video in the West for three years.
JS, you're my idol but I disagree. How exactly is it news? The only usefulness of Bin Laden's crazed propaganda is that is scares people. Scared people tend to do irrational things, like support a total phony like Bush.
post #23 of 76
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Originally Posted by yt
JS, you're my idol but I disagree. How exactly is it news? The only usefulness of Bin Laden's crazed propaganda is that is scares people. Scared people tend to do irrational things, like support a total phony like Bush.
Which is the entire point, since quite obviously being successful in the US government has absolutely nothing to do with being actually good at the job, but everything to do with money, machiavellian power politics, and connections.
I mean, I agree in principle, but its a sad fact that "normal" proper journalism falls on deaf ears to often to be useful as propaganda.
post #24 of 76
Did anyone catch the NY Post's hilarious headline on this story? Read it here. My favorite part is probably the intro, though... "Osama bin Laden - his bushy beard newly dyed as black as his evil heart- "
post #25 of 76
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Originally Posted by yt
JS, you're my idol but I disagree. How exactly is it news? The only usefulness of Bin Laden's crazed propaganda is that is scares people. Scared people tend to do irrational things, like support a total phony like Bush.
I understand what you're saying, and agree to an extent, but there are also plenty of people who want to hear what this bastard has to say. I know I do. Like it or not, he's a pivotal figure on the international stage, and when he speaks, serious and sober people need to listen. Sure, it can and will be used as propaganda on BOTH sides of the fearmongering aisle, but that's simply unavoidable. Ignoring him won't make him go away.

Hopefully his kidneys will do that for us, though...
post #26 of 76
I gotta agree with Jacob on this. The media and politicians will always sell fear. That adept scumbags will try to capitalize on it to further their agenda doesn't mean it ceases to be newsworthy, or that we would be better off if it was buried.
post #27 of 76
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
I understand what you're saying, and agree to an extent, but there are also plenty of people who want to hear what this bastard has to say. I know I do. Like it or not, he's a pivotal figure on the international stage, and when he speaks, serious and sober people need to listen. Sure, it can and will be used as propaganda on BOTH sides of the fearmongering aisle, but that's simply unavoidable. Ignoring him won't make him go away.

Hopefully his kidneys will do that for us, though...
He's only a pivotal figure on the international stage because he's useful to the administration in that position. If the trillions that have been sunk into the Iraq quagmire had instead been funneled into finding, arresting and prosecuting Bin Laden, he would no longer be pivotal.

I ask you this: what difference does it make what he says? It will most likely be a rehash of what he said before -- that 9/11 was a direct result of our "infidel" presence in the middle east and support of Israel. Those words didn't change the "hate our freedoms" mantra. Hell, a lot of people still believe Iraq attacked us. Seriously, what difference does it make what he says? Let him say it from the stand at trial.

As you say, it's propaganda from both sides of the fearmongering aisle, so if it's useful to al-Qaida to have the US media broadcast it, isn't that aiding and abetting the enemy?
post #28 of 76
Hey, I like some of what Bin Laden had to say this time!

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A transcript of the tape, obtained by CNN, shows that it contains no overt threats toward the United States. There are some date references -- a mention of the Democrats gaining the majority in Congress, for example -- which may indicate the tape is new.

"One should pause, think and reflect," the speaker says according to the transcript. "Why have the Democrats failed to stop this war, despite them being the majority?"

The answer to that question, he later says, is "the same reasons which led to the failure of former President Kennedy to stop the Vietnam War. Those with with real power and influence are those with the most capital. And since the democratic system permits major corporations to back candidates, be they presidential or congressional, there shouldn't be any cause for astonishment -- and there isn't any -- in the Democrats' failure to stop the war."

The transcript also shows bin Laden blaming global warming on large corporations.

"The life of all mankind is in danger because of the global warming resulting to a large degree from the emissions of the factories the major corporations," it says.

"And despite this brazen attack on the people [referring to global warming], the leaders of the West -- especially Bush, Blair, Sarkozy and Brown -- still talk about freedom and human rights with a flagrant disregard for the intellects of humans?"
post #29 of 76
I can hear it now:

"See?!?! Bin Laden agrees with Al Gore! He's on the same side as the libtards! I KNEW IT!"

Sigh...
post #30 of 76
It's a sad day when Al-Queda understands what the the target American voting audience wants to hear better than the Republican Party.
post #31 of 76
I'm not sure why this is such big news. I've been subscribing to Osama's podcast for like two years now. His last one was GREAT, cuz he did this college football fantasy round-up and he RIPPED Michigan for like 20 minutes because he'd picked them to run the table for the national championship.
post #32 of 76
How certain is it that this is indeed from Bin Laden, or at least the command echelon of his organisation?

I have massive problems trusting anything presented by corporate media when it comes to terrorists and the general topic of the middle-east, and even moreso when it comes from the USA.
Not wanting to insult any upright and decent journalist (they do exist), but I think its far too convenient how this entire business sees a revival whenever the government is in need of a bogeyman.
post #33 of 76
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Originally Posted by yt
As you say, it's propaganda from both sides of the fearmongering aisle, so if it's useful to al-Qaida to have the US media broadcast it, isn't that aiding and abetting the enemy?
Even if only Al-Jazeera broadcast the tape, it would still make the rounds on the internet, eventually wind up on BBC and elsewhere, and it would still be responded to by the administration. I understand your frustration (if I recall correctly, Bush got a boost in the polls in 2004, just before the election, the last time we heard from oh-so-scary Osama), but I still think the networks and the media pretty much have no choice but to report it.
post #34 of 76
Last time I checked, he was responsible for knocking the towers down, right? He still doesn't like us, right? So, he might try to do something like this again? It's news.

Moreover, yt, from your perspective, think about the danger of our society NOT having this information, and instead leaving it in the hands of the military-industrial complex. Moreover, I think if the media didn't report it, you'd use it as another reason to fault the mainstream media.
post #35 of 76
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"It will also achieve your desire to stop the war as a consequence, because as soon as the warmongering owners of the major corporations realize that you have lost confidence in your democratic system and have begun to look for an alternative, and this alternative is Islam, they will run after you to please you and achieve what you want to steer you away from Islam," he said."
Hmmm, thanks OBL, but I'll stick with the Democratic system. That alternative I just don't care for at all. But I appreciate the advice, really, thanks for looking out for me.
post #36 of 76
To quote Merrill from Signs: "This is exactly what the nerds want."

And when I say nerds I mean bat shit crazy right wing crackerheads.
post #37 of 76
I think everyone is blowing this video out of proportion. I have it on pretty good authority OBL was just filming a commercial for a new product

post #38 of 76
Is that the new picture? That's so not him.
post #39 of 76
He looks like he just woke up from a nap. Or, he's hungover.
post #40 of 76
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Originally Posted by Timothy225
He looks like he just woke up from a nap. Or, he's hungover.
He's obviously not getting proper sleep. But I'm telling him now. It's probably gonna be a bitch dragging a Tempur-Pedic mattress up a mountain to the cave.
post #41 of 76
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Originally Posted by The LD
Last time I checked, he was responsible for knocking the towers down, right? He still doesn't like us, right? So, he might try to do something like this again? It's news.

Moreover, yt, from your perspective, think about the danger of our society NOT having this information, and instead leaving it in the hands of the military-industrial complex. Moreover, I think if the media didn't report it, you'd use it as another reason to fault the mainstream media.
Actually, Osama said in arabic he was in support of the attacks, not that he caused them.
post #42 of 76
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Well that's the thing. If there was a real trial, some of the facts might be made known, but since the crime scene was hauled away before a proper investigation could be done, the evidence is most likely long gone.
post #43 of 76
Jesus YT, get it together.

The governmnet, CIA and corporate media are in cahoots to terrify us with a page 3 report on Bin Laden's newest tape? Are you seriously that retarded?

We live in a nation of 24 hour news cycles, wherein the corporate media claws at anything resembling news and often much less. It has to come down to a fucking conspiracy in order for you to understand their justification in reporting this?
post #44 of 76
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Yes, I am that retarded. Mostly though the whole thing just sickens me because it has been years since 9/11 and to those in charge of this country, the message of Bin Laden's video tape is that "the war on terror is still going strong."

Sure the brilliant news media is going to cover it, but any commentary in all that coverage about how the only reason he's around to give sales pitches for Islam from some cave is that he has never been earnestly sought by George "You can run but you cannot hide" Bush?

post #45 of 76
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Originally Posted by yt
Yes, I am that retarded. Mostly though the whole thing just sickens me because it has been years since 9/11 and to those in charge of this country, the message of Bin Laden's video tape is that "the war on terror is still going strong."

Sure the brilliant news media is going to cover it, but any commentary in all that coverage about how the only reason he's around to give sales pitches for Islam from some cave is that he has never been earnestly sought by George "You can run but you cannot hide" Bush?

Go away, Batin'
post #46 of 76
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Whycome you broke my house?
post #47 of 76
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
Can you support your allegation regarding the motives of our press corps?
A few examples of stenography in the American press would be:

-Blind repetition by the New York Times of the outrageous claims made by the Bush Administration in their efforts to drum up support for the invasion and occupation of Iraq. When Cheney used the NYT as independent varification of the claims he made, why didn't the NYT make it clear the information was provided by the White House in the first place?

-The recent dog-and-pony show conducted by Gen. Petraeus under the auspices of an 'interview' with Fox News;

-Bill Kristol gets air time without being asked questions like 'Why should we listen to you when you've been consistently wrong?'; Who is this man, and why does he warrant such gentle treatment by the media? Other than being a PNAC member and Bush cheerleader, I can't think of anything that makes him any more newsworthy than Dave Barry.

-Followup stories debunking headlines featuring things the Bush Administration claims are true get buried on page B32 of the Sunday paper.

American news is not news. Except for the rare occasion when it is. By and large, it exists as a forum for people to say their thing and their thing is often purest nonsense. If the media isn't challenging the lies, then it's furthering the lies.
post #48 of 76
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Originally Posted by Bailey
I think everyone is blowing this video out of proportion. I have it on pretty good authority OBL was just filming a commercial for a new product

I liked it so much, I bought the company.
post #49 of 76
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Originally Posted by Bailey
I have it on pretty good authority OBL was just filming a commercial for a new product
"Apply directly to the building!"

"Apply directly to the building!"

"Apply directy to the building!"
post #50 of 76
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
A few examples of stenography in the American press would be:
Ok, I get your beef, but the part I was challenging was the part about motive. yt made it sound like the press is in cahoots with the government. I think it's just not very good ) which is why my primary news source is a British magazine).
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