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post #1 of 25
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Let me say at the outset that I don't have any problem with the following phenomenon. It's just something I noticed and thought worthy of discussion.

The phenomenon is this: in slasher movies in particular, the last survivor is very often a woman. Some examples I thought of off the top of my head are:

Laurie Strode, surviving all the "Halloween" movies she was in (remember, she wasn't in III), especially I & II;

Heather Langenkamp, ditto for the "Elm Street" movies;

Ripley in "Alien" (not a slasher, I know, but same idea);

Fran from "Dawn of the Dead" (although Peter did tag along at the last minute);

The girl at the end of "Friday the 13th" (Sorry; I forgot her name);

A woman even administered the fatal axe blow to the killer in "Prom Night".

The mother & her daughters surviving "Wicked Little Things" (with a little help from the creepy neighbor guy);

Penny survives horrifying torture in "Penny Dreadful".

There's tons more, I'm sure. The question I pose is: why? Most of the filmmakers responsible for the above films are men. And to my knowledge, none of them has gone on record as a feminist.

I suppose the argument could be made that Carpenter and other pioneers did it to turn the typical horror movie scenario they grew up on in the 50's - where the swooning heroine is carried off by the guy in the rubber suit to be rescued by the straight talking, square jawed, more often than not military man hero - on its head as a form of innovative filmmaking. But after the dirst couple guys did it, it isn't new and different anymore, and eventually sort of became the rule rather than the exception.

So is that why it's still so prevalent today? Mere inertia? No better reason than because it's become the norm?

I'm sure sometimes it is done to make a statement (a review I read of "Silence of the Lambs" thought the strong character of Clarice Starling, and to a lesser extent, katherine martin, who was "no mere passive victim", opined Harris & Demme may have had strong feminine leads in mind on purpose). But some of the obviously lowbrow films that use this device surely aren't making that kind of statement.

And except for very rare instances (such as "The Descent"), the argument that "Well, that's who he victimizes - women - so of course any survivor would have to be a woman" doesn't really ring true, either. Plenty of men die in all the examples I cite above.

I suppose the argument could be made that women are still perceived (and I'm not saying they are!) as more vulnerable by much of the general public, making our empathy w/ their on screen travails scarier, thus heightening the tension, so it makes sense to have the character with the most screen time, who endures the most of the psycho's rampage, be a woman.

Try as I might, I can't really get my mind around why this concept has become more or less the standard ending in horror films. Keeping in mind the generally synical view of moviemakers Death Surge has written about (and which I agree with), the successful formula is what sells the most with the least risk, and will allow them to get the most Friday night date dollars from the teens, who perpetually seem to be their target audience. An audience, Surge says, that recycles itself every few years, thus perpetuating devices we long time fans have probably seen lots of times before, but which are still at least kinda new to each fresh crop of teen moviegoers. Leading me to the lamest of conclusions: I think it really IS, in most instances, just inertia, and an unwillingness to now deviate from what's now become the norm.

I welcome differing opinions. Please share them here.
post #2 of 25
There's been a lot written about this in Horror films. Other people who know better are probably going to let you in on it any second here. Behind the Mask was practically a dissertation on it. Personally, I think nowadays its less prevalent. Sure, you'll see it in most direct to video type stuff, but more and more you're getting male leads in horror, like Hostel or Saw.
post #3 of 25
I think the answer is actually pretty simple. Horror films tend to follow female protagonists because, as a social precedent, women are more expected to display fear. Since the protagonist is the audience's point of view, and you want the audience to feel fear, you want a protagonist who demonstrates being afraid. Historically, if a male character shows fear, he's considered weak, and the audience can turn against him, rather than rooting for him to succeed.

That attitude is starting to change now. Of course, now the female protagonist has become horror tradition, so it's still a pretty solidly rooted part of the genre, just for a different reason.
post #4 of 25
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I haven't seen Behind the mask yet (Waiting for it on netflix queue). As for Saw & Hostel: I haven't seen Hostel 2 (lukewarm buzz didn't get me intrigued enough to see it in the theatres), but I understand that had a female lead. As did Saw III. Sort of. Movies w/ male protagonists have always been around, though. All the characters in The Thing were male, for instance. So was just about everyone in The Lost Boys. But Gayest may be right and the trend may be starting to change direction in some recent major productions, but the vast majority of horror cinema is the DTV stuff, and they're largely following the traditional formula. I imagine they'll keep following said formula until the big productions change that formula and substitute a new one.
post #5 of 25
I'm on my way out and can't write the response I want to, but this is a great book on this very subject- Men, Women, and Chainsaws.

Just think about the murder implements as phallic symbols and the women overcoming them and it makes a helluva lot of sense.
post #6 of 25
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Actually, it really doesn't. I can understand the line of thought that finds this symbolism to the imagery in the films. That probably is what they're doing, consciously or unconsciously. But, given the fact that most horror fans are young males (and if Surge's theory holds true, horny teenage males); why would they want to see female leads OVERCOME the phallic symbol? Does the perceived threat to masculinity add to the fear experienced by the male viewer, theoretically enhancing the experience?
post #7 of 25
I actually agree with Iggy there. It's become the quaint, popular little theory, and it's attractive because its feminist bent appears to make up for how misogynistic these films can actually be. But for the reasons Iggy states, it really doesn't make any sense when you consider the makeup of the core audience, and to a large extent, the filmmakers. It appears to me to be running a great distance to explain something that's within arms' reach.

It's easy to assign that kind of sexual, feminist theory to the movies after the fact, but it reminds me of an analysis I once read of Snow White in which every single thing in the story was made to serve its interpretation as an allegory for puberty, including the fact that the dwarves were miners, and therefore entered dark holes for a living. It's taking something that, while there may be a core of truth to it, was probably mostly unintentional, and theorizing it to within an inch of its life.
post #8 of 25
[QUOTE=IggytheBorg] why would they want to see female leads OVERCOME the phallic symbol? [QUOTE]

You can't bone the female lead if she gets decapitated. (unless you're into that.)
post #9 of 25
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[QUOTE=KaPabLe][QUOTE=IggytheBorg] why would they want to see female leads OVERCOME the phallic symbol?
Quote:

You can't bone the female lead if she gets decapitated. (unless you're into that.)

Presumably, the decapitation is a symbolic "screwing". If, that is, you subscribe to the theory that the murder implement is, in fact, a phallic symbol.

Also, I'm honored Greg agrees w/ me.
post #10 of 25
While I agree that by this point it is definitely inertia, I think it was also borne out of the feminist era of the seventies, not necessarily as a way of promoting the ideology, but as a way of getting asses in the seats. Particularly, female asses. Movies had been a very male dominated game, especially the horror film. Women were the ones captured and rescued, and didn't really do all that much. They were an object for the protagonist, a male, to save. So, along comes these women who aren't going to be held back anymore and they want to see themselves as more than just the goal of a rescue. Savvy film-makers picked up on this and there you have it. I'm not saying every woman will be like, 'Oh my god! This horror film's lead is a chick, let's go see it.' I'm sure most are still averse to maulings and decapitations. But I imagine they'd be more apt to see a film like 'Aliens' when they know it's Sigourney Weaver kicking all kinds of ass instead of Bill Paxton.

Girls got to stick together!
post #11 of 25
I refuse to believe that the director of Chopping Mall could be described as a remotely savvy filmmaker. Really, one of the problems with this theory is that it ascribes an inappropriate amount of cleverness to a bunch of third-rate hacks who cashed in on a sick little trend. I seriously doubt that there was that much thought put into most of these films. In fact, with the exception of Halloween and possibly A Nightmare On Elm Street, the thought level of slasher films is consistently very low. They are (and I don't necessarily mean this as a put down of the films or those who watch them) a dumb genre. They're the kinds of movies that you turn your brain off and just let happen. Anything thought-provoking that happens is probably a result of your brain looking for something to do.
post #12 of 25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg David
I think the answer is actually pretty simple. Horror films tend to follow female protagonists because, as a social precedent, women are more expected to display fear. Since the protagonist is the audience's point of view, and you want the audience to feel fear, you want a protagonist who demonstrates being afraid. Historically, if a male character shows fear, he's considered weak, and the audience can turn against him, rather than rooting for him to succeed.

That attitude is starting to change now. Of course, now the female protagonist has become horror tradition, so it's still a pretty solidly rooted part of the genre, just for a different reason.
Rereading this post got me to thiking: maybe the trend Gayest posits as taking over, i.e., male leads getting tortured by the antagonist & surviving, possibly not in the best of shape, a la Saw & Hostel, may be a brilliant idea. As Greg says, women were used as the leads for a while, because it was OK for them to show fear, but that it'd turn an audience off to see a man doing the same. BUt some of the scenes in Hostel, in particular, w/ the male characters screaming & begging for their lives, are all the more disturbing because, along w/ the gore, we males get the douche chills because maybe this hits a little too close to home. We wonder: "Would I break down like that? I mean, they just chopped off 3 of his fucking FINGERS and shoved a power drill into his shoulder. . . . he's gota know he's gonna die. How would I handle that?"

Maybe with 50's era societal norms of male behavior finally being cast aside w/ the march of time, and younger filmmakers not brought up in that tradition finally at the helm of the filmmaking process, the time is ripe to see MEN get scared for a change. Roth may be some kind of brilliant after all for recognizing and capitalizing on this trend, if not outright starting it. Perhaps, along with the abolition of strict societal mores in the horror film, the abolition of strict gender roles in horror films is a device that makes them more effective as well.
post #13 of 25
I think it's becoming more common for women in films to be heros for a very simple reason - because why not? Why shouldn't a woman be able to save herself rather than wait for the male hero to show up and do it?

And it's a very good point that was brought up about how the traditional 1950's horror movie hero was a man who rescued the woman, who would just be cowering and screaming - but never taking action herself. Fast forward a couple of decades to the Jamie Lee Curtis late 70s-early 80s era of horror films, and you're smack in the middle of the feminist era. In the middle of women trying to get the same jobs as men, get equal pay, etc. And as much as we're talking about horror films and not Roe vs. Wade, it's still a much simpler form of progress, movie wise - it starts to look silly in that day and age for a woman in a horror movie to not be ready and willing to take matters into her own hands and save her own neck if no one else is around. And okay, if you're really big on tradition, she can still scream her head off while turning the villian into mush.

On the other hand, if you want to go backwards a little, the female hero in a horror film is almost always a surrogate mother figure, because some filmmakers still feel the need to make sure women have someone to nurture. And since the advent of women as heroines in horror movies, they're usually not just rescuing themselves - they're generally protecting a child or two from the killer. It's like the filmmakers seem to be saying, more often than not, "Okay - she can be the hero. But toss a kid or two at her so she remembers her place." In that respect, it sucks, because it still suggests that no matter how strong and capable she is, she'll still have to tie someone's shoelaces at the end of the day. I know that's not in every instance, but it's in quite a few of them.
post #14 of 25
Well, when they give a female character children to protect, I don't see it so much as a case putting her in her place, but more that calling on the maternal instinct is such an easy go-to for the writers. I've had this discussion previously in Spike's Aliens thread. Let's face it, most male horror writers have little conception of how to write female characters, yet they instill insist on trying to do it. And calling up the old chestnut of putting a child in danger makes the job so much easier. It's motivational shorthand to kick in the mothering instinct. And considering how many people worship Aliens (which I don't), apparently, it works.
post #15 of 25
Also they look better when picking themselves up after falling in a puddle.
post #16 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg David
Well, when they give a female character children to protect, I don't see it so much as a case putting her in her place, but more that calling on the maternal instinct is such an easy go-to for the writers. I've had this discussion previously in Spike's Aliens thread. Let's face it, most male horror writers have little conception of how to write female characters, yet they instill insist on trying to do it. And calling up the old chestnut of putting a child in danger makes the job so much easier. It's motivational shorthand to kick in the mothering instinct. And considering how many people worship Aliens (which I don't), apparently, it works.
Very true, you phrased much better than I did (Sorry, when I wrote my post, I was tired as hell and had just come home from a shift from job #2. Oh, and I'd also just dragged a couple of kids away from an axe wielding maniac. ).
post #17 of 25
The Female Heroine goes back a lot farther than the 80's slasher ("Psycho" por ejemplo) , and Greg I think is on to the initial reasoning being in part to their expression of fear. I think the other half to the equation was the Men at the time's reaction to it. There used to be a sense of chivalric protection instincts triggered upon seeing a "Damsel in Distress" that added tension where a traditionally strong male wouldn't be affected by it. Greats like Hitchcock hit on this idea and promoters like Roger Corman ran with it. Today, lesser film makers merely copy an already proven mold

Today the situations are changing to utilize male leads again, probably due in part to the fact that men since the early 90's to present day by and large have become emasculated shadows of their former selves. Between meek acceptance of political correctness ideals and the lack of proper male role modeling (Tyler Durden's statement about a "Generation of Men, raised by Women..." really does hold some weight behind it) men have become and are accepted as the crying "Damsels in Distress".
post #18 of 25
The men showing fear thing is interesting and a big Eli Roth thing. Or more accurately, Roth kinda seems to be making movies about emasculation. Even Cabin Fever had a bit of that. Hostel 2 in particular, despite having a female protagonist, was all about not feeling like a man. And since these films have a fanbase dealing with puberty and entering manhood, it adds a bit of an creepy edge to it all.
post #19 of 25
Say what you will about High Tension, but I think that it's a interesting (tense & artistic to boot) take on women as "victims" (or not victims), women in relationships, etc. I think it challenges some taboos (more than just "oral sex with a decapitated head") and I truly believe that the twist plays on audience expectations and perspectives and tries to say something about that.

The all-girl cast of Descent is a logical progression (as it compares to the all-male Thing) and creates a fresh dynamic in the "monster in corridor" flick. Alien franchise is probably the strongest example (especially non slasher) and works mainly because of Weaver's presence and credibility (Academy Nom remember?).

I don't want to repeat the great posts that came before in this thread, but societal expectations of women's roles and their respective levels of situational vulnerability, as well as target demographics, are absolutely pivotal in determining this trend in the horror genre. Now the trend is starting to morph as gender lines get blurred, taboos fall away, "fe-masculation" of women & emasculation of men, etc. The Bros. Grimm (based on folklore) started the mass-storytelling trend (IMO), gathering grisly tales that told of girls who wander off the path and the horrors that await= warnings and manipulations of the youth (directed especially to blossoming girls) in the classic patriarchal society.

Now I'm waiting for someone to slam me for liking Aja's resume (Hills remake too)...

EDIT: to clarify a few things
post #20 of 25
I completely burst out laughing when I saw the headfucking in High Tension. While watching it my friend and I heard the squish noise and I said "Holy shit, he's fucking a head." It was pretty glorious.
post #21 of 25
Don't think I've seen this theory flown here yet, but how's this: horror films often have women positioned as survivors (and I think we have to distinguish the "women as survivor/hero" from woman as "protagonist/victim" in something like Psycho) to deflect criticism about the sexist nature of horror movies.

This isn't necessarily always the case, but a lot of 80s slasher movies have women featuring primarily as sex objects and victims. I'd suspect that this would be an easy target for feminist groups. What's the easiest way to downplay this sort of thing? Make a woman the hero of the piece. That way, you can offer up tons of naked, murdered supporting female characters (it's kind of unusual you get titillation with your male kills, while the pre-kill chick shower scene is practically de rigeur), but still claim to have a feminist bent to your piece, dubious though it may be.
post #22 of 25
That's a great point. I remember when American Psycho (the film) came out it was catching a lot of flack because of the violence towards women (much like the novel), but much of it got deflected because it was directed by a woman, and she defended it adamantly.
post #23 of 25
Misdirection. I like that.
post #24 of 25
Because they look better.
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8
Misdirection. I like that.
Don't you mean MS. - direction?
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