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http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...ETRO/707050349

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The lack of major grocery stores has long been a quality-of-life problem in Detroit and one reason some families don't want to live in the city. Now, however, the situation is getting worse as the last two Farmer Jack stores in the city prepare to close by Saturday.

If no grocery stores buy the Farmer Jack locations from the Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Co., Detroit will be left without a single national chain supermarket, much less a Wal-Mart or Meijer superstore or a Costco-style warehouse store.

Analysts say no other major city in America is such a supermarket desert. And it's not likely to change anytime soon.
I don't know why, but the problems of Detroit just fascinate me. It's like a morbid, sociological experiment gone wrong. How the hell does a major U.S. city not have any supermarkets? It's like a surge of death has swept it's horned visage over the entire Detroit economy.

The mind boggles. Having lived in S.F. for years with its ridiculous shortage of supermarkets and overpriced, godawful corner stores, I'd find it completely maddening to basically have no place to shop.

**Here's the response from the mayor's office?

"In certain areas where the socioeconomic is probably at the lowest end of our society, there are a lot of desperate people," [Matt Allen, press secretary for Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick] said.

That statement came from a press secretary? Nice syntax. You'd think that if anyone in the local government could formulate a coherent sentence, it would be the press secretary.
post #2 of 105
The only grocery store in my old neighborhood closed recently and they're turning it into a massive dollar store :\.
post #3 of 105
It is depressing that the citizens of Detroit have no grocery stores. But on the bright side they don't have to worry about getting stuck with a shopping cart where one of the wheels is busted. God I hate that. It's like "Hello, I came here to buy some Mott's apple juice. Not simulate the experience of using a jackhammer. Thank you very much."
post #4 of 105
I don't even understand how that works. Is it the run on effect from some kind of pantry shortage?
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A *EDIT*, as it were?
post #6 of 105
All of Detroit's problems will be over once OCP starts building New Detroit.
post #7 of 105
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Originally Posted by Joe LeFors
A *edit*, as it were?
Shhhh.....let's see if he spots that.
post #8 of 105
Hold on one second. The article says that there will be "no national chain supermarkets." That doesn't mean no grocery stores, that just means no chains. I ran a Google Map search for "grocery stores Detroit" and got a bunch of hits.
post #9 of 105
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Originally Posted by MissZooey
Hold on one second. The article says that there will be "no national chain supermarkets." That doesn't mean no grocery stores, that just means no chains. I ran a Google Map search for "grocery stores Detroit" and got a bunch of hits.
Yup. Read the whole article. There will be little grocery stores, and maybe independents will take over the vacant lots, but no national chains. That means higher prices, dodgier quality for what's available, and, in general, a disastrous food shopping scenario.
post #10 of 105
Okay, we're supposed to hate the big chains for destroying the family-owned stores, but now we're supposed to hate the family-owned stores for destroying the big chains? I'm so confused, Detroit.
post #11 of 105
Yeah, I didn't read the whole thing. Sorry. Trying to pry myself away from CHUD to get some work done and failing! miserably!

Cost may be a problem, but I don't know that quality will be. The local grocery stores I visit tend to have higher-quality products than the chains, and these aren't really snooty specialty stores, just neighborhood groceries. They are a little pricier, but there must be a way to do it on the cheap. It sounds to me like a good opportunity for some enterprising local business people, if someone was willing to take it.
post #12 of 105
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Originally Posted by MissZooey
Yeah, I didn't read the whole thing. Sorry. Trying to pry myself away from CHUD to get some work done and failing! miserably!

Cost may be a problem, but I don't know that quality will be. The local grocery stores I visit tend to have higher-quality products than the chains, and these aren't really snooty specialty stores, just neighborhood groceries. They are a little pricier, but there must be a way to do it on the cheap. It sounds to me like a good opportunity for some enterprising local business people, if someone was willing to take it.
How much would you be willing to wager on Detroit's quality of life improving due to the closing of the last national chain supermarkets?
post #13 of 105
Yeah, but we all know whoever swoops in there will exploit the situation.

(I know, arguing against big business, its a weird day for me)
post #14 of 105
If I had known all I had to do to get rid of Wal-Mart was to sell crack on the corner, I would have given up meth.
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Originally Posted by Overlord
Shhhh.....let's see if he spots that.
My apologies -- fixed!
post #16 of 105
Not quite sure what you mean by that, as I thought we were referring to the quality of products in the store, and not life in general, but I don't think the quality of life is going to improve at all because there aren't any chain grocery stores. I was just saying that, lacking a national chain that's willing to step up and provide this resource to the people, some locals should see what they can do.
post #17 of 105
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Originally Posted by MissZooey
Not quite sure what you mean by that, as I thought we were referring to the quality of products in the store, and not life in general, but I don't think the quality of life is going to improve at all because there aren't any chain grocery stores. I was just saying that, lacking a national chain that's willing to step up and provide this resource to the people, some locals should see what they can do.
How much would you be willing to wager that the locals step up to the plate and deliver an adequate product? I'm continuing to read on this subject, and I'm seeing ridiculous articles like "this is an opportunity to grow your own food", or "local stores will better be able to serve the needs of their clientele." I find such thinking laughable.
post #18 of 105
Jesus, Overlord, I don't fucking know! If the people care about their community, perceive this as a problem, and can get support, then someone's going to at least try. A large local chain closed around here a few years back and three other local chains stepped up and filled their stores. Let's see if capitalism swoops in and saves the day, hm? If not, perhaps Wal-Mart can continue to take advantage of economically disadvantaged people. Hooray for them.
post #19 of 105
We should just wall off Detroit and call it Thunderdome.
post #20 of 105
At least then someone would sell hot dogs, right?
post #21 of 105
Escape from Detroit.

"Must. Get. To. Windsor."
post #22 of 105
Yeah, but they'd be made of human meat.

Well, more human meat than normal hot dogs.
post #23 of 105
It is true that the local corner grocery stores are much better when it comes to service. I go to one out here run by an old Italian couple. They're so polite. When I first went there they didn't carry Mott's apple juice but now they do. I walk in all the time and Giuseppe greets me with "Hello Mr. (name withheld)! I gotta ya Mott's right here!"
post #24 of 105
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Originally Posted by Jon Cryer
It is true that the local corner grocery stores are much better when it comes to service. I go to one out here run by an old Italian couple. They're so polite. When I first went there they didn't carry Mott's apple juice but now they do. I walk in all the time and Giuseppe greets me with "Hello Mr. Jon Cryer, I gotta ya Mott's right here!"
Your charmingly fabricated tale has renewed my faith in the rejuvenating power of the Detroit economy.
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
It is true that the local corner grocery stores are much better when it comes to service. I go to one out here run by an old Italian couple. They're so polite. When I first went there they didn't carry Mott's apple juice but now they do. I walk in all the time and Giuseppe greets me with "Hello Mr. (name withheld)! I gotta ya Mott's right here!"
Let me guess, did the guy gesture to his crotch when he said "right here!"
post #26 of 105
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Originally Posted by EdHocken
Let me guess, did the guy gesture to his crotch when he said "right here!"
That's New York.
post #27 of 105
Well how am I to know what are the idiosyncrasies of the Sacramento's Italian population.
post #28 of 105
Hey, the Italian community is part of what makes Sacramento such a so-so place to live.

To learn more about Sacramento's Italian culture, please visit here:

http://www.italiancenter.net/
post #29 of 105
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Hey, the Italian community is part of what makes Sacramento such a so-so place to live.

To learn more about Sacramento's Italian culture, please visit here:

http://www.italiancenter.net/
Silly me, I was thinking of going to Italy when I can go to SACRAMENTO! I think the last time I was there it was five years ago and I went skydiving.
post #30 of 105
Skydiving in Sacramento? Man, I'd have to think real hard if it was worth pulling that ripcord.
post #31 of 105
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Originally Posted by Overlord
It's like a surge of death has swept it's horned visage over the entire Detroit economy.
He katana'd those supermarkets good
post #32 of 105
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Skydiving in Sacramento? Man, I'd have to think real hard if it was worth pulling that ripcord.
I think the bigger question would be if you didn't pull that rip chord. Just who would get all of those dvds?
post #33 of 105
I don't understand. Detroit doesn't have enough people who eat to support a national grocery store?
post #34 of 105
It's offical folks, Detroit is the real world's version of Carcer City. I think we need to keep an eye out on Brian Cox, just to make sure he doesn't get out of line.
post #35 of 105
But the Lions are 2-0. I thought that meant everything is great.
post #36 of 105
That's New Orleans. Idiot.

EDIT: Well, not this year. Everything must suck down there again.
post #37 of 105
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Originally Posted by Overlord
It's like a surge of death has swept it's horned visage over the entire Detroit economy.
It's amazing how my handle can get worked into any story regarding Detroit.

It's not just Grocery Stores. Even the (extremely) few upper class areas of the city have no recognizable shopping districts (department stores, shoe stores, etc) to speak of. But shopping is the least of this cities problems, considering It's a 50% chance that no one will respond to any given 911 call.

For those not aquainted with this fair city, peruse the google links you hit when you search for Ruins of Detroit
post #38 of 105
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Originally Posted by Death Surge
It's amazing how my handle can get worked into any story regarding Detroit.[/URL]
I must be more subtle in the future. *chortle chortle*

I'd love to go urban spelunking in Detroit. If I was armed.

*no shopping areas? What, do people live on amazon.com and corner liquor stores/fast food? Heck, does Detroit have regular mail service?
post #39 of 105
I've actually got a fairly nice yupscale grocery store right next to me, but generally, all of us urban hipsters drive to the stores/shopping malls in the burbs.

However, the majority of the cities inhabitants don't have working vehicles, so are dependent on possibly the most pathetic public transportation systems in the U.S. A Badly run bus service is it, unless you count "The People Mover", which is a tiny monorail that covers an extremely small section of downtown, so is almost exclusively used by people hitting a Tiger/Redwings game.
post #40 of 105
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Originally Posted by Death Surge
I've actually got a fairly nice yupscale grocery store right next to me, but generally, all of us urban hipsters drive to the stores/shopping malls in the burbs.

However, the majority of the cities inhabitants don't have working vehicles, so are dependent on possibly the most pathetic public transportation systems in the U.S. A Badly run bus service is it, unless you count "The People Mover", which is a tiny monorail that covers an extremely small section of downtown, so is almost exclusively used by people hitting a Tiger/Redwings game.
Tell me more about life in the dystopic urban wasteland that is Detroit. Frankly, I just can't get enough. It's like seeing a post-apocalyptic movie come to life. From the safety of my Newport Beach office.

I foolishly closed the article before copying the link, but I recently found this article:

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There are more than 12,000 abandoned homes in the Detroit area, a byproduct of decades of layoffs at the city's auto plants and white flight to the suburbs. And despite scores of attempts by government and civic leaders to set the city straight, the automobile capitol of the world seems trapped in a vicious cycle of urban decay. Detroit has lost more than half its population since its heyday in the 1950's. The people who remain are mostly black -- 83 percent -- and mostly working class, with 30 percent of the population living below the poverty line according to the US Census Bureau.

The schools are bad. The roads are full of potholes. Crime is high and so are taxes. The city is in a budget crisis so deep it could end up being run by the state. And it just got knocked off the list of the nation's ten largest cities.

"Detroit has become an icon of what's considered urban decline," said June Thomas, a professor of urban and regional planning at Michigan State University. The issue is not just getting people in the city. It's getting people in the city who can become property owners and stay property owners and pay taxes."

Perhaps the biggest challenge to luring the middle class from the area's swank suburbs is overcoming racial tensions, said Stephen Vogel, dean of the school of architecture at University of Detroit Mercy.

"Suburbanites are taking the bodies of their relatives out of cemeteries because they're afraid to come to the city," Vogel said. "There are about 400 to 500 hundred (being moved) a year which shows you the depth of racism and fear."

Most American cities have experienced a shift towards the suburbs. What made Detroit's experience so stark was the lack of regional planning and the ease with which developments were able to incorporate into new cities in order to avoid sharing their tax revenue with the city, said Margaret Dewar, a professor of urban and regional planning at the University of Michigan. The fleeing businesses and homeowners left behind about 36 square miles (58 square kilometers) of vacant land. That's roughly the size of San Francisco and about a quarter of Detroit's total land mass. While a decision by General Motors to build its new headquarters smack in the middle of downtown has helped lure young professionals and spark redevelopment in some of the more desirable neighborhoods, there is little hope the vacant land will be filled any time soon.

In his state of the city address, embattled mayor Kwame Kilpatrick said even if 10,000 new homes were built every year for the next 15 years "we wouldn't fill up our city."

And Detroit is still losing about 10,000 people every year.
post #41 of 105
It can't be all bad in Detroit, the Lions are 2 and 0!

ETA:Holy shit I've got to start refreshing the page before i post.
post #42 of 105
So did Urban Hell occur before Robocop, or did the population just get inspired and go on a two decade rampage?
post #43 of 105
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Originally Posted by Death Surge
A Badly run bus service is it, unless you count "The People Mover", which is a tiny monorail that covers an extremely small section of downtown, so is almost exclusively used by people hitting a Tiger/Redwings game.
The People Mover! Is that like the Wedway (sp) People Mover they used to have at Epcot Center in the 80s? Because that was a shitty little monorail that was used to showcase some of the horrific future world exhibits. I never though they would build one in real life. But if they did, Detriot is the perfect home for it.

Like many others, Detroit fascinates me. What's the next headline? - "Local Police, Doctors and Firemen Leave the City." Excellent.
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Originally Posted by JudgeSmails
The People Mover! Is that like the Wedway (sp) People Mover they used to have at Epcot Center in the 80s? Because that was a shitty little monorail that was used to showcase some of the horrific future world exhibits.
That was actually in Tomorrowland in the Magic Kingdom, and it's still there, just renamed the Tomorrowland Transit Authority, and still zipping along through absolutely nothing. We still ride it every time we go though -- you get a cool view of Space Mountain and you get off your feet for a couple of minutes.
post #45 of 105
Check out some of the photo's on those google links. They're amazingly accurate representation of what 95% of the city looks like. The small pockets of niceness that do exist are positioned in a rather haphazard way. For instance, you can go to the very nice grocery store/strip mall kitty corner to my location, but it's ill advised for someone who's not African-American to walk into the seedy liquor store across the street from it.

The niceness of Downtown exists in roughly a 4 square mile area, from the Renaissance Center up to the stadiums and over to Greektown (which really should be called "Greek Block"), but there's a lot of abandoned buildings interspersed around it. Heading North from there you enter a post-apocalyptic area referred to as Cass Corridor, and woe be on to the hapless traveler who finds themselves making a wrong turn to highway 75. There's a few other pockets of sanity (Wayne State University, University of Detroit Campus, Indian Village, Rivertown, Corktown, etc.) but once you're out past into the sprawl, it's pretty much Mad Max territory until you hit the 8 Mile/Telegraph/Gratiot borders. Than you get varying niceness suburb cities, which is where the huge majority of the people live.

Detroit is the biggest case of White flight in recorded history, so the "metro-Detroit" area is a monument to urban sprawl. It's almost spread out to the capitol city of Lansing, which is in the dead center of the state.
post #46 of 105
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Originally Posted by Death Surge
Check out some of the photo's on those google links. They're amazingly accurate representation of what 95% of the city looks like. The small pockets of niceness that do exist are positioned in a rather haphazard way. For instance, you can go to the very nice grocery store/strip mall kitty corner to my location, but it's ill advised for someone who's not African-American to walk into the seedy liquor store across the street from it.

The niceness of Downtown exists in roughly a 4 square mile area, from the Renaissance Center up to the stadiums and over to Greektown (which really should be called "Greek Block"), but there's a lot of abandoned buildings interspersed around it. Heading North from there you enter a post-apocalyptic area referred to as Cass Corridor, and woe be on to the hapless traveler who finds themselves making a wrong turn to highway 75. There's a few other pockets of sanity (Wayne State University, University of Detroit Campus, Indian Village, Rivertown, Corktown, etc.) but once you're out past into the sprawl, it's pretty much Mad Max territory until you hit the 8 Mile/Telegraph/Gratiot borders. Than you get varying niceness suburb cities, which is where the huge majority of the people live.

Detroit is the biggest case of White flight in recorded history, so the "metro-Detroit" area is a monument to urban sprawl. It's almost spread out to the capitol city of Lansing, which is in the dead center of the state.
Are the people who live in downtown Detroit happy with the state of the city? Ever been robbed/seen folks robbed/heard of folks robbed? What would it take to save Detroit, or is it a lost cause?
post #47 of 105
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Originally Posted by Overlord
What would it take to save Detroit
A botched response to a hurricane.
post #48 of 105
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
A botched response to a hurricane.
Are we playing Simcity with U.S. cities now? I used to let blighted areas burn to the ground so I could more efficiently rebuild. Perhaps we need that here.

All these homeless folks from New Orleans, all these "free" homes in Detroit. Hmmmm........
post #49 of 105
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Originally Posted by Overlord
Are the people who live in downtown Detroit happy with the state of the city? Ever been robbed/seen folks robbed/heard of folks robbed? What would it take to save Detroit, or is it a lost cause?

I've been shot at in my mispent youth, and had many other physical altercations, but nothing to speak of in the past 15 years. Of course, I live in a gated building/parking lot so it limits my exposure pretty heavily.

Street crime in the main downtown area is surprisingly low, because no one walks around outside of Greektown and the stadium areas, and there's a bastion of (useless)Wayne County sherrifs in the area. People leave places and head directly to their car. Outside of the main downtown area is where all the real stuff goes down.

And yes, it's a lost cause. Back when Dennis Archer was in charge 12 years ago, there was a real upswing in the cities hopes after the 20+ years of Coleman Young destroying the city. Since Kwame ("That not my Navigator") Kilpatrick took charge, it's back to massive corruption as usual.

It's only hope really is OCP paving it over to make New Detroit.
post #50 of 105
I can only wonder what it's like for the folks over in Winsdor. I mean how are things on the other side of the bridge?
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