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The TROY "This film does not warrant this amazing packaging" Ultimate Collector's DVD

post #1 of 23
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I picked this up for the wife. Seriously. Haven't watched it yet. But Jesus, this fucker's heavy and apparently loaded. Anyone get it and watch yet?

As far as the movie goes, I liked it, but it was nothing to write home about. I'm curious to see if the new edit improves it or not.
post #2 of 23
Yeah, I saw the size of that box at Best Buy when I grabbed COMMANDO. Fucker's so big they could hide Greek soldiers inside.
post #3 of 23
Hahahaha that's silly, Greeks are stupid. Let's have a drink.
post #4 of 23
I hope there's a documentary in there that explains the reasons why they thought the Iliad was beneath them and they had to "improve" on it.
post #5 of 23
I hope they talk about how Achilles was a tool and why Eric Bana should have totally won that fight.
post #6 of 23
After reading all these posts, I couldn't figure out what the hell the Greeks had to do with anything and why there was no mention of Jeff Bridges.....then I re-read the title. I'm so very stupid.
post #7 of 23
I read a review of the Director's Cut that says they reworked the score for the DVD which really improves the film. That sounds good to me because the music was annoying in the Theatrical Cut.
post #8 of 23
Remember that scene in Troy with the lightcycle chase between Achilles and Paris?
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post #10 of 23
I picked up the Ulitmate Collector's Edition on Tuesday and it's loaded to a certain extent.

The special features on the second disc are essentially ported over from the previous addition with one new featurette called Troy in Focus which is 23 minutes long. Essentially, it's Petersen talking about this director's cut. This set is no where near as comprehensive as say Lord of the Rings or the Matrix Trilogy and that's really the only bad part about the set.

The Art of Troy is wonderful, great stuff in there. Pages from Petersen's shooting script (with lots of Petersen's notations) is really great, especially while watching the film. The behind the scenes photos are nice and pristine...good stuff there. A very funny note written by Brad Pitt to Petersen about his suggestions on Achilles' wardrobe and the wardrobe of the Myrmidons is a nice treat (Pitt wasn't feelin' the "skirt" look).

As for the director's cut itself, a vast improvement over the theatrical, especially in the look of the film. Petersen recolored the entire film (his explanation is here: http://www.dvdtalk.com/hd/new_cuts_for_new_formats.html) and it's leaps and bounds better than the theatrical version. It's more vivid, more lively than the previous version. The action has been pumped up quite a bit. Essentially, every action scene save one has been extended. And, the blood and guts flow and flow often. (During one part of the film, Hector tells his wife about what will happen to Troy when he dies and he mentions babies been thrown over the city walls and the women being raped. Yeah, we get lots of glimpses of that.) We get more nudity. Dialogue's also been worked on. It seems that Petersen during very specific points in this new cut went back to the production track. By doing this, it changes certain performances greatly, in my opinion (Bloom's Paris is the best example). Some scenes have alternate takes. The scene between Paris and Helen when she stitches up his leg is completely gone (and not missed). The ending has been reworked slightly.

The much talked about score is still Horner's but turned down and reedited completely. I wish Petersen had enough money to go back and completely rescore the film from scratch but if this is what he could do with the time and money he had, it's much better than it was.

The weird part is the track used for the Achilles and Hector's battle. I think it's safe to say that that particular track from the theatrical version was the only memorable part of that score. Petersen drops it and LITERALLY replaces it with Elfman's main theme to the Planet of the Apes remake. I'm not kidding. And the funny thing is, it still works and changes the emphasis of the battle, slightly. Also, apparently, this was the temp track during post production. Petersen just loved that particular track over Horner's so he decided to restore it for the director's cut. Again, not better than what Horner did but different and I still think it works. It took about two viewings to get use to it.

Overall, this is another case of the studio interference. This director's cut doesn't reach the heights of Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut or the Gladiator Extended Cut, but it definitely fills it out more. It feels more epic. Every actor gets more and it helps ten fold. It's much more engaging than before. It's just a better film hands down than what it was. The problems still lie with Petersen's execution in some spots but by giving the film room to breathe, you get a better, more entertaining film.

But, it doesn't warrant a nice boxset like this. It's kick ass but not for this film.
post #11 of 23
Hmm.. that does sound pretty enticing. Might have to join the Kingdom of Heaven and Gladiator sets on my shelf. Too bad they couldn't use the original score though. Horner's really let the film down.
post #12 of 23
I love Troy, it's a 50's epic with today's glitz. Nothing wrong with that.
post #13 of 23
I agree. Me and my buddies saw this a couple times in theater, and would always shout "YES!" at the screen happily when Ajax gets impaled and instead of dying decides to punch Eric Bana in the face. We were all a bunch of Age Of Empires geeks, so this was the perfect movie for us at that time.
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata
I love Troy, it's a 50's epic with today's glitz. Nothing wrong with that.
I agree. I love the classical feel of it. I need to pick this up and set it right next to the West Wing box set on my shelf.
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata
I love Troy, it's a 50's epic with today's glitz. Nothing wrong with that.
Ditto. I'm very interested to see if they kept that "old Hollywood" feeling but at the same time making things flow a little better.
post #16 of 23
The "Old Hollywood" feel is still there. Again, giving it an extra 30 minutes just makes it feel even more like that. And the pacing is perfect in this new cut. It's not rushed one bit. It just flows organically.

And Stormin', Ajax's brutality is full on in this new cut. He is straight "Old Hollywood" in this new cut. He has one of the cheesiest lines in this new cut but it just feels right with this picture. It made me howl....
post #17 of 23
[QUOTE=Don Swoosh].And Stormin', Ajax's brutality is full on in this new cut. He is straight "Old Hollywood" in this new cut. QUOTE]

You're not kidding. I was very disappointed with what the theatrical cut did with Ajax. But he's a real badass in the director's cut.

He smashes a guy's head into paste with his war hammer. It's so over the top, I was giddy.
post #18 of 23
Does Brad Pitt's performance improve at all in this cut? Aside from his presence and physicality (which were awesome), I thought he was totally wrong for the movie whenever he opened his mouth.
post #19 of 23
I would say that Pitt's performance is still about the same with a tad more narcissism. I had no problem with Pitt per se, in the theatrical cut. I just had a problem with how they wrote him. They soften Achilles a bit too much, via the script. But, I can understand why they chose to do that.

Even still, he's a bit more narcissistic in this cut.
post #20 of 23
I've watched most of the Director's Cut (Priam's just taken Hector's body) and I like it. But then I enjoyed the original cut too. This new one is much improved, but I still don't think it's a particularly good movie. Maybe my memory of the first one has softened, but it's not a movie I saw a bunch of times. I just found it very entertaining. That said, I should finish the movie before mouthing off.

I'm pretty disappointed that the Hector vs. Achilles fight has different music. I agree that it was probably the most memorable part of the theatrical cut's score. Just a bit of percussion that lets the drama come from the action itself.

The Elfman stuff just seems way to dramatic for what's going on. It's probably because I'm only so used to the way it was, but still... Kinda unbalanced the sequence for me.

And Brad Pitt's spoken performance still bugs me.

"YOU SACK OF WINE!!!!"

But as the physicality of Achilles, he's spot on.
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