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post #1 of 19
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Step One: Through bewildering incompetence and swaggering arrogance, lose virtually all of your administration's credibility concerning the ridiculous war you've engaged in.

Step Two: After countless blunders, concoct a "surge" scheme that not only buys you time to create excuses, but also has a built-in vagueness about how its success can be measured.

Step Three: Groom a leading military commander to A: look as if he's using real concrete non-political military data in his analysis, and B: paint him as being somehow completely outside your administration's influence.

Step Four: Pray that some liberal or Democratic organization will call you on your bullshit, so you can accuse them of "treasonous slandering of our brave men and women in uniform".

Step Five: Have one of your stooges in the Senate introduce a bill condemning the liberal organization, and have roughly half of the Democratic Senators support you.

Step Six: Cackle gleefully about "stickin' it to those libtards" while your bloody war drones endlessly on and on...
post #2 of 19
"Let's see, the economy is going into the toilet, global warming is coming, we've got an unpopular war going on with no end in sight -- let's condemn a piece of advertising!"
post #3 of 19
Meanwhile, take down an amendment that would make sure the troops have an equal amount of time at home as they have in the field while replacing it with an amendment that says you support the troops, but don't want to actually have to do anything that would demonstrate that support.

And remember, if you restore habeus corpus, the terrorists have access to a right that's been fundamental in all civilized societies since the Magna Carta.
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
Meanwhile, take down an amendment that would make sure the troops have an equal amount of time at home as they have in the field while replacing it with an amendment that says you support the troops, but don't want to actually have to do anything that would demonstrate that support.
Exactly. 72 senators voted today to condemn the fucking MoveOn ad. Yesterday, only 56 voted to give servicemen more time stateside. But I'm sure they all have yellow "Support the Troops" magnetic stickers on their SUVs, so it all evens out in the end.
post #5 of 19
I wish MoveOn did a full-page ad of Bogs Diamond from SHAWSHANK with the words, "You'll swallow what we GIVE you to swallow."
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
Exactly. 72 senators voted today to condemn the fucking MoveOn ad. Yesterday, only 56 voted to give servicemen more time stateside. But I'm sure they all have yellow "Support the Troops" magnetic stickers on their SUVs, so it all evens out in the end.
Everytime you put one of those magnetic stickers on your car, a soldier gets a metaphorical hug. Going home and seeing a reminder of what you're fighting for before suffering a permanent mental breakdown would be great, but the stickers are nice too.
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny
I wish MoveOn did a full-page ad of Bogs Diamond from SHAWSHANK with the words, "You'll swallow what we GIVE you to swallow."
OFFENSIVE! APOLOGIZE!!!! Why do you hate our troops?
post #8 of 19
And the Democratic 'leaders' aren't much better. They've got some calling for an end to funding, and some, like Biden (and sometimes Obama) advancing the meme that an end to funding is a literal abandonment of the troops (as in, out in the desert, with no water or bullets).
post #9 of 19
This smells of Karl Rove, it's such a fucking non-story. How many people saw the ad? Shit, I haven't even seen it yet.
post #10 of 19
This whole thing is ridiculous and repulsive but I do like the response the head Move On guy had to Bush's "disgusting" remark:

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"What's disgusting is that the president has more interest in political attacks than developing an exit strategy to get our troops out of Iraq and end this awful war. The president has no credibility on Iraq: He lied repeatedly to the American people to get us into the war. Most Americans oppose the war and want us to get out."
post #11 of 19
I wonder if Hillary would ever use this vote against Obama ...
post #12 of 19
Isn't all this furor giving the ad more validity than if they'd simply ignored it?
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
Meanwhile, take down an amendment that would make sure the troops have an equal amount of time at home as they have in the field while replacing it with an amendment that says you support the troops, but don't want to actually have to do anything that would demonstrate that support.
I love, love, love that the Republicans put the kibosh on legislation designed to slow down the grinding away of your military because they don't want to demean soldiers. The way Republicans defend the occupation of Iraq by arguing that ending it will hurt the soldiers' feelings must be some sort of long-term piece of performance art. It's gotta be.

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And remember, if you restore habeus corpus, the terrorists have access to a right that's been fundamental in all civilized societies since the Magna Carta.
Not wanting to find out if your prisoners are guilty of something or not makes no sense to me. I don't understand Republicans.
post #14 of 19
It's like, as long as the cage door is locked, the people who *believe* in the power of the cage can feel safe. They don't want to know if there actually is anything in the cage or not, because if it turns out to be empty, then suddenly all that "safety" they had in their pocket evaporates, and they can't breathe anymore.
post #15 of 19
I've already e-mailed one of our illustrious senators that voted "nay" (the other didn't vote for some reason, but I'm sure he would've voted the same way) and asked, "Can you explain to me why you decided not to support the Constitution and voted against the re-instatement of Habeas Corpus?"
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica
I wonder if Hillary would ever use this vote against Obama ...

this is his reasoning for why he didn't vote which, surprisingly - as it's coming from the mouth of a politician, i'd have to agree with.:

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"The focus of the United States Senate should be on ending this war, not on criticizing newspaper advertisements. This amendment was a stunt designed only to score cheap political points while what we should be doing is focusing on the deadly serious challenge we face in Iraq. It's precisely this kind of political game-playing that makes most Americans cynical about Washington's ability to solve America's problems. By not casting a vote, I registered my protest against this empty politics. I registered my views on the ad itself the day it appeared.

"All of us respect the service of General Petraeus and all of our brave men and women in uniform. The way to honor that service is to give them a mission that is responsible, not to vote on amendments like the Cornyn amendment while we continue to pursue the wrong policy in Iraq."
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by Martianman
I've already e-mailed one of our illustrious senators that voted "nay" (the other didn't vote for some reason, but I'm sure he would've voted the same way) and asked, "Can you explain to me why you decided not to support the Constitution and voted against the re-instatement of Habeas Corpus?"
And here's the "no-response" response:

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Thank you for contacting my office regarding S.185, the Habeas Corpus Restoration Act of 2007. I appreciate your thoughts and the opportunity to respond.

I am a firm believer in the Constitution of the United States and that the laws set forth must be followed. However, the people being detained at Guantanamo Bay are the enemies of our nation and were captured in battle in the worldwide war on terror.

I had the opportunity to visit Guantanamo Bay and witness the detainees firsthand. I saw 538 people who are intent on hurting and destroying Americans, who are incarcerated in a facility from which we are gaining intelligence that is saving the lives of Americans and citizens around the world. The most hardened of those that I saw are in air-conditioned facilities, not unlike and better than any I have seen in the United States in local jails and prisons.

I can assure you that I will continue to work to ensure that the people detained are done so in accordance with the law and treated lawfully.

Thank you again for contacting me. Please visit my webpage at http://isakson.senate.gov for more information on the issues important to you and to sign up for my e-newsletter.

Sincerely,
Johnny Isakson
United States Senator
So basically, I'm not answering your question.
post #18 of 19
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"Hey, fuck you, you're just a voter. Contribute big time to my campaign, then we'll talk."
post #19 of 19
Congress Quietly Approves Billions More for Iraq War
By John Nichols
The Nation

Friday 28 September 2007

The Senate agreed on Thursday to increase the federal debt limit by $850 billion - from $8.965 trillion to $9.815 trillion - and then proceeded to approve a stop-gap spending bill that gives the Bush White House at least $9 billion in new funding for its war in Iraq.

Additionally, the administration has been given emergency authority to tap further into a $70 billion "bridge fund" to provide new infusions of money for the occupation while the Congress works on appropriations bills for the Department of Defense and other agencies.

Translation: Under the guise of a stop-gap spending bill that is simply supposed to keep the government running until a long-delayed appropriations process is completed - probably in November - the Congress has just approved a massive increase in war funding.

The move was backed by every senator who cast a vote, save one.

Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold, the maverick Democrat who has led the fight to end the war and bring U.S. troops home from Iraq, was on the losing end of the 94-1 vote. (The five senators who did not vote, all presidential candidates who are more involved in campaigning than governing, were Democrats Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and Joe Biden and Republicans John McCain and Sam Brownback.)

Said Feingold, "I am disappointed that we are about to begin the 2008 fiscal year without having enacted any of the appropriations bills for that year. I am even more disappointed that we voted on a continuing resolution that provides tens of billions of dollars to continue the misguided war in Iraq but does not include any language to bring that war to a close. We need to keep the federal government operating and make sure our brave troops get all the equipment and supplies they need, but we should not be giving the President a blank check to continue a war that is hurting our national security."

In the House, the continuing resolution passed by a vote of 404 to 14, with 14 other members not voting.

The "no" votes in the House, all cast by anti-war members, came from one Republican, Ron Paul of Texas, and 13 Democrats: Oregon's Earl Blumenauer, Missouri's William Clay, Minnesota's Keith Ellison, California's Bob Filner, Massachusetts' Barney Frank, New York's Maurice Hinchey, Ohio's Dennis Kucinich, Washington's Jim McDermott, New Jersey's Donald Payne, California's Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, Diane Watson and Lynn Woolsey.

That means that, of the 2008 presidential candidates, only Republican Paul and Democrat Kucinich voted against giving the Bush administration a dramatic - if not particularly well publicized - infusion of new money for the war.

"Each year this war is getting more and more costly - both in the amount of money spent and in the number of lives lost. Now this Congress is providing more funds so the administration can continue down a path of destruction and chaos," said Kucinich, who noted the essential role of House and Senate Democratic leaders, such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in passing the continuing resolution. "The Democratic leadership in Congress needs to take a stand against this President and say they will not give him any more money. That is the only way to end this war and bring our troops home."

From The Nation.
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