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Giants acknowledge that without a record to break, Bonds is too much trouble.

post #1 of 26
9/21/07 at 8:23pm
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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/spor...ngmTXsm3DEtMQQ

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Barry Bonds was told by the San Francisco Giants that he won't play for them in 2008, he said on his Web site Friday.

In a statement, baseball's all-time home run leader said: ''This journal will be one of my last entries as a San Francisco Giant. Yesterday, I was told by the Giants that they will not be bringing me back for the 2008 season.

''During the conversation with Peter McGowan, I was told that my play this year far exceeded any expectations the Giants had, but that the organization decided this year would be my last season in San Francisco,'' he said.

Bonds has spent the past 15 seasons of his 22-year big league career with the Giants. He received a $15.8 million, one-year contract for this season.

On Aug. 7, Bonds broke Hank Aaron's 33-year-old record with his 756th home run.
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post #2 of 26
9/21/07 at 8:33pm
Time for the Giants to rebuild. With what? Who fuckin' knows.
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post #3 of 26
9/21/07 at 8:57pm
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Time for the Giants to rebuild. With what? Who fuckin' knows.
Time for a new direction. Can you say Humm Baby?
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post #4 of 26
9/21/07 at 9:20pm
Who's Barry Bonds?
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post #5 of 26
9/22/07 at 12:12am
10 bucks says this is where Kenny Lofton ends up next year.
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post #6 of 26
9/22/07 at 2:42am
Because the Giants really have better places to spend their money. Though, this could be great for Bonds, I'm pretty sure Billy Beane wouldn't mind a DH that can put up a 279/483/570 line...

Sorry, I meant to say the entire American League.
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post #7 of 26
9/22/07 at 1:00pm
And finally we can get back to the business of the Barry Zito Era!
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post #8 of 26
9/22/07 at 1:15pm
The worst part is that the Giants aren't even offering him arbitration, so, you know, when he leaves they wont even get the first round pick a Type A free agent like Bonds would garner.
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post #9 of 26
9/22/07 at 2:41pm
The problem is that he'd accept the arbitration.
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post #10 of 26
9/22/07 at 3:48pm
He probably would, but I just don't see how that would be a bad thing, unless they know something about Bonds' future that we don't (And I've long since passed the point where I'd give Brian Sabean's foresight the benefit of the doubt). They've seemingly rode out the worst of the backlash, and with him being the lone offensive threat on a virtually non-competitive team, letting him go for nothing hardly seems productive.
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post #11 of 26
9/22/07 at 4:02pm
Do you really think FREEEEEEEEEDOMMMMMMMM is nothing?
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post #12 of 26
9/22/07 at 4:49pm
Freedom from what exactly? The only thing putting fans in the seats these days? I mean, its not like they're going to the park for some quality baseball, that's for sure.
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post #13 of 26
9/22/07 at 5:35pm
First of all, I was half joking. I thought the dumb Braveheart reference made that pretty clear.

But, in truth, Bonds dominated the Giants. Their identity. Their clubhouse. Everything. Do you think he would take a backseat and be a complementary player for a young franchise. There's just no way. Not from a team standpoint, and not from an organizational standpoint. It's over, and it's important they make that step... even if it is just symbolic, but especially if it saves them significant payroll.

Also, I don't think they're gonna have trouble drawing fans to that stadium, which is the best place I've ever seen a game at.
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post #14 of 26
9/22/07 at 8:38pm
I'd love to see Bonds signed by the Yankees just so that it officially seals it that he is, in fact, the evilest man alive.
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post #15 of 26
9/22/07 at 9:01pm
*crosses fingers* Please don't come to the Angels. Please don't come to the Angels. Please don't come to the Angels. Please don't come to the Angels.
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post #16 of 26
9/23/07 at 3:39am
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Originally Posted by Bailey
Also, I don't think they're gonna have trouble drawing fans to that stadium, which is the best place I've ever seen a game at.
If you don't think attendance will be hampered by fielding the worst team in professional baseball, you're in for one hell of a surprise (say goodbye to drawing 3,000,000+ fans). What a lot of people fail to realize is, regardless of all of the negative press, Barry Bonds put fans in the seats, and that's the primary reason why the Giants re-signed him.

As for payroll, what exactly are the Giants going to do with 10-15 million dollars? Adam fucking Eaton got $24 million.
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post #17 of 26
9/23/07 at 4:32am
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Originally Posted by Vader
*crosses fingers* Please don't come to the Angels. Please don't come to the Angels. Please don't come to the Angels. Please don't come to the Angels.
Hell I would be hoping he goes there, asshole or not he will be great protection for Vlad.
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post #18 of 26
9/23/07 at 4:45am
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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
If you don't think attendance will be hampered by fielding the worst team in professional baseball, you're in for one hell of a surprise (say goodbye to drawing 3,000,000+ fans). What a lot of people fail to realize is, regardless of all of the negative press, Barry Bonds put fans in the seats, and that's the primary reason why the Giants re-signed him.

As for payroll, what exactly are the Giants going to do with 10-15 million dollars? Adam fucking Eaton got $24 million.

The lack of Bonds will obviously have some impact on attendance (although presumably less now that the home run record has fallen.) I never said it wouldn't. You did, however, call Bonds; "the only thing putting fans in seats", which is totally wrong. The park is, without any question, a big attraction.

And yeah, a GM can't do anything with 15 million dollars. What was I thinking?
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post #19 of 26
9/23/07 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by Wease
Hell I would be hoping he goes there, asshole or not he will be great protection for Vlad.

That's what I fear Stoneman and Moreno think.

I really wish they would've nabbed Teixeira when they had the chance.
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post #20 of 26
9/23/07 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by Bailey
And yeah, a GM can't do anything with 15 million dollars. What was I thinking?
Theres a difference between "anything," and something that could be seen as a even remotely positive. There is simply no way Brian Sabean is going to upgrade the production he received from Barry Bonds with only 10-15 million dollars at his disposal.

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Originally Posted by Vader
That's what I fear Stoneman and Moreno think.
I would think the Angels wouldn't be all that great a fit, though, The Tigers or the A's on the other hand... come on, wouldn't Bonds and Sheffield playing for the same team be the greatest thing ever?
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post #21 of 26
9/23/07 at 6:00pm
I think Bonds just might retire. So many factors working against him.

-Nobody outside SF likes him, pr nightmare
-He can't field that well anymore
-He'll only play around 120 games if he doesn't DH
-He wants to play for a contender
-Only a half dozen teams can take on the huge salary he will want. Mets, Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, and Angles.

The Cubs don't need him and the Red Sox have a DH. A sports show I listened to said the Angels owner doesn't want a notorious HGH guy on his team.

Now you are down to about 3 teams. The 2 NYers and Dodgers.

Is Bonds worth it? It's not like people were beating down the door to get him with the HR record going to fall. SF was the only team. He has the record and baseball will let him go away now.
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post #22 of 26
9/23/07 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
I think Bonds just might retire. So many factors working against him.

-Nobody outside SF likes him, pr nightmare
-He can't field that well anymore
-He'll only play around 120 games if he doesn't DH
-He wants to play for a contender
-Only a half dozen teams can take on the huge salary he will want. Mets, Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, and Angles.

The Cubs don't need him and the Red Sox have a DH. A sports show I listened to said the Angels owner doesn't want a notorious HGH guy on his team.

Now you are down to about 3 teams. The 2 NYers and Dodgers.
If he puts his ego in check(and thats a big if) and plays for 8-10 million I am pretty sure alot of American League teams would be willing to pay that for him. I think at this point in his career he is going to have to go to the AL that way he can play a 140 games and his putrid defense won't kill a team.
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post #23 of 26
9/23/07 at 10:30pm
If he's willing to take significantly less money then most AL contenders would have to take a long look at him.

Not having a record to break will actually be good for him and the team he's on, less of a distraction and he can just play. Strictly as a DH he'd be a great help to any contending team.
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post #24 of 26
9/24/07 at 2:44am
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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
Theres a difference between "anything," and something that could be seen as a even remotely positive. There is simply no way Brian Sabean is going to upgrade the production he received from Barry Bonds with only 10-15 million dollars at his disposal.
A decent GM could certainly get better defense, more games played, and more runs/RBI produced than they got from Bonds this year for 15 million. Replacing a talent as unique as Bonds is difficult, but at this point keeping him only makes sense under certain conditions, none of which the Giants meet. If he was a guy who could step back and be a role player, DH, not cause distractions, and agree to a severely reduced paycheck, then sure, keep him. That's not gonna happen in San Francisco, which is why he's gonna be somewhere else.
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post #25 of 26
9/24/07 at 3:05am
Yes, lets cherry pick counting stats that are predominately a function of the team and paint Bonds' 2007 season as if he were some mere role player. The guy walked 132 times in 469 plate appearances, posted a .483 OBP, and slugged .570. I'll obviously buy that Sabean should be able to find someone more durable, and better defensively, but you're not going to approach someone with an even comparable bat without throwing a nine digit contract at them.

Heck, even factoring in counting stats, the guy is still going to lead his team in runs scored, even though he'll end the season with some 200 fewer plate appearances than the next guy.

If the Giants don't open up their wallets this offseason, they might not break 600 runs scored in '08.
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post #26 of 26
9/24/07 at 4:07am
Those numbers don't tell the whole story either. He is a productive slugger, but he has trouble playing defense or running the bases, and that's with a game or two off every week to rest. His OBP is very high, a testament to his plate discipline, but also to the fact that pitchers have no reason to pitch to him. His OPS is better than most, if not all, of the NL MVP candidates, but at this point in his career he's not really in their class. Hes still a phenomenon at the plate. I never doubted that. But, for all the reasons I said earlier, he shouldn't be back in a Giants uniform next year. You can say they'll be pathetic, and I'm sure they will... but how much is Bonds going to help them? They're in last place as it is. He has every opportunity to shine as a DH for another season. He should take it. The Giants should move on.
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