Really, Rush? Phony soldiers?

Damn, I was hoping this would be about a new 'Rush' album called 'Phony Soldiers'.

Now I'm just angry. God damn you, Limbaugh.

Thanks, Ryan. Unfortunately, confrontation sells. Well, confrontation and sex. Put those together, and you've got yourself a goldmine.

On topic, a real soldier is anyone who makes it through boot camp.

They want the troops to come home while they still have both their fuckin' arms attached, and then they pretend to care about the troops...who can follow this wacky liberal "logic"?

And of course any soldiers that don't agree with Rush's opinion of the war are not "real" soldiers. What could be a bigger insult to men and women in uniform. Fuck you, you dirty motherfucker.

I always thought the number one character trait that all soldiers through the history of warfare possess was the common belief that the officers and politicians don't know what the fuck they are doing. That sense of cynicism is important for soldiers because it means you're less likely to do exactly what you're told in the rare moments you genuinely shouldn't.

But guys, that MoveOn ad suggested that General Petraeus' motivations might be suspect! And it was so despicable it obviously called for a censure by a governing body of the United States! Let's stay focused here!

That's a great point, but I'd like to raise two caveats.

1. It's one thing to look at the boss and say, "He's fucked up. I'd never do that." It's quite another to be the boss.

2. Nobody knows what they're doing; not really; because life's too short. We're all muddling through.

This makes me happy:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/28/18441/3779

And the chickens come home to roost.

The problem with Liberals today is that everything America does is bad.

The problem with Conservatives today is that everything America does is good.

I'm one of those weird people that fits someone in the middle and can see when our country is righteous and when we've screwed the pooch.

Out of all of the right wing radio hosts, Limpbag continues to lie, twist and distort the truth to his black hearts content. He should have his eyes gouged out for the phony soldier remark. Asshole. This guy makes Michael Savage look not so bad.

The FULL audio with Rush and 2nd caller:


As to the destiny and well-deserved ass-kicking of jesse Macbeth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth

Another http://michellemalkin.com/2006/05/23...essie-macbeth/

What fucking horseshit from the left. I NEVER posted about the NYT ad about General Petraeous/Betray us. I'll give you freedom of speech, give it to me.

Finding one soldier against the war who lied about being in Iraq does not equal the lying and manipulating that people in power, who should have known better, did to get us into said war in the first place. Who, by the way, didn't serve in combat either.

Another thread derailment, you could have sent a more respected emissary.

None of your nonsense changes the fact that Rush questions the patriotism, motivations and even the conscience of soldiers who are in favor of withdrawal. And most likely any soldier who disagrees with him.

Period.

Someone spoke out in public against the Bush Administration. It's Limbaugh's job not to defend the Bush Administration - an impossible feat - but to publically smear Bush's critics.

I'm sort of baffled as to why this deserves a thread, to be honest. Limbaugh's scum. Ignore him.

It's really only being discussed because of the hypocritical, despicable censure of the MoveOn ad. And ignoring these cretins doesn't make them go away.

Yes, but you see The MoveOn.org ad is done by the same people trying to smear Rush, in essence, they are calling soldiers Phoney. Come on.. You've been handed a giant piece of shit and instead of going 'eww' and washing your hands, your smelling it and saying .. "it doesn't smell that bad! it could be worse!"

You're an idiot.

Huh? What the hell are you talking about?

Is it a bunch of Freepers up in this thread or what? Limbaugh stuck his fat foot in his fatter mouth, the Senate fucked up by making a big deal out of the Petraeus ad. Who cares? Why don't we talk about important things instead? Like making Iraq stable enough for us to begin some troop withdrawal or how Britney Spears just got her driver's license.

I wish somebody would throw that handful of shit, phoney or not at Limbaugh's fat, druggy head.

forgive the multi-line answer.

mediamatters.org
and
MoveOn.Org
were ultimately created by the same guy, George Soros.

Here's a good read http://techvat.com/is-social-media-b...formation.html

MediaMatters gave out bad information, Rush wasn't calling the soldiers Phony he was calling 1 guy (technically, several people who were doing the same thing) Phony. See information below.


FYI - Media Matters was also the same group that hawked Imus getting him canned.

Facts, this is what Rush was talking about.
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September 21, 2007
NORTHWEST CRACKDOWN ON FAKE VETERANS IN “OPERATION STOLEN VALOR”
Phony Vets Scam more than $1.4 Million and Damage Image of Honorable Veterans

U.S. Attorney Jeffrey C. Sullivan today announced some of the results of “Operation Stolen Valor,” a year long effort to investigate and prosecute those who lie about their military service for financial gain or other reasons. Sullivan and Doug Carver, Special Agent in Charge of the Veteran’s Affairs Office of Inspector General detailed eight prosecutions in the Veteran’s Affairs Northwest Region in 2007.

“As a Vietnam Veteran, and the father of a decorated Army officer currently serving, I feel very keenly the damage done by Jesse Macbeth and these other fakes,” said Jeff Sullivan, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Washington. “Macbeth’s lies fueled hostility to our servicemen in Iraq and here at home. Those who falsely claim medals for heroism, cheapen the recognition of our true war heroes.”

“The ‘phony war hero phenomenon’ plagues the American landscape and tarnishes the service of thousands of veterans who have served honorably. It strangles VA resources from providing critical care and benefits to deserving veterans returning from war,” said Douglas J. Carver, Special Agent in Charge of the VA Office of Inspector General, Western Field Office. “It all boils downs to this: these phonies submit claims to the VA for compensation and medical benefits they are not entitled to, and it takes away valuable resources from those who are entitled.”

In a dozen cases under investigation in the northwest, the fraud totals more than $1.4 million. Eight of the cases have been publicly filed and are in various stages of being adjudicated:

*Jesse Macbeth, 23, Tacoma, Washington, sentenced today in connection with his fraudulent claims of military service. Macbeth sought medical benefits claiming to suffer from PTSD related to service in Iraq and Afghanistan, in fact, Macbeth was discharged from the Army about a month after he joined. Macbeth never traveled outside the U.S. with the Army. Macbeth duped reporters, claiming to be a decorated Army Ranger who had witnessed war crimes.

*Reggie Buddle, 60, Puyallup, Washington, sentenced July 30, 2007, for Unlawful Wearing of United States Military Medals and Decorations. Buddle posed as a decorated Marine Corps Chaplin presiding over weddings, funerals and baptisms. Buddle was sentenced to 500 hours of community service and two years of probation.


*Larry Lewis Porter, 52, Seattle, Washington, sentenced April 19, 2007, for Mail Fraud in connection with a scheme to fraudulently obtain disability benefits from Veterans Affairs. Porter was sentenced to 37 months in prison. Porter claimed he suffered PTSD from experiences in the Navy, however investigation revealed the events were fabricated. Loss Amount: $134,000

*Roy J. Scott, 71, of Port Angeles, Washington pleaded guilty August 31, 2007, to Use of an Altered Military Discharge Certificate to obtain VA Compensation and Medical Benefits, and Unlawful Wearing of United States Military Medals and Decorations. Scott claimed he had served in the Marine Corps in Korea, that he was wounded in combat in Korea, and that he had been awarded the Korea Defense Medal, Korea Star Medal, and a Purple Heart (due to alleged gun shot wounds sustained during combat in Korea). Scott claimed to be honorably discharged, when in fact, he never earned those medals, never served in Korea or any foreign country and was Court-Martialed out of the Marine Corps. Loss Amount: $21,960.

*Merrick K. Hersey, 64, of Vancouver, Washington, Hersey was indicted August 1, 2007, for Use and Possession of Forged or Altered Military Discharge Certificate and False Statements. Hersey is a fugitive and is being sought by law enforcement. Hersey applied for benefits claiming he served in 1967-68, was awarded two Purple Hearts (for wounds sustained in active combat) and the Bronze Star (awarded for heroism). Hersey claimed he suffered from PTSD and sought benefits. In fact, Hersey never served in the Marine Corps at all. Loss Amount: $2,688.

*Michael D. Heit, 58, of Harrington, Washington, pleaded guilty yesterday (September 20, 2007) in U.S. District Court in Spokane, Washington to Use and Possession of a Forged or Altered Military Discharge Certificate and False Claims of Military Medals. Heit claimed he was a Vietnam vet who was held as a prisoner of war. He claimed to have been awarded three Purple Heart medals and the Silver Star. None of that is true. Loss Amount: $3,500

*Elvin J. Swisher, 70, of Idaho, is charged with Wearing Unauthorized Military Medals, False Statements, and Theft of Government Funds. Swisher falsely claimed he was wounded in Korea and that he had been awarded the Silver Star, Purple Heart and other medals for valor. Loss Amount: $95,000.

*Carlos Riosvalle, 83, of Portland, Oregon, was sentenced April 9, 2007, in Multnomah County for multiple counts of Theft by Deception. Riosvalle collected benefits claiming to have been “shot down while a pilot in World War II.” In fact Riosvalle never served in the armed forces. Loss Amount: $22,818.

These cases were all investigated by the Veterans Affairs Office of Inspector General VA-OIG. The VA Office of the Inspector General operates a HOTLINE for the public to confidentially and safely report crimes like “Stolen Valor” involving VA or its programs. Call 800-488-8244, or fax to 202-565-7936, or e-mail to vaoighotline@va.gov, or write to VA OIG HOTLINE, PO Box 50410, Washington, DC 20091-0410.

The cases filed in the Western District of Washington are being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorney Ronald J. Friedman. For additional information please contact Emily Langlie, Public Affairs Officer for the United States Attorney’s Office, at (206) 553-4110.

George Soros: The new republican's bogeyman.

Christ, not this shit again.

NO WHERE in there is it even remotely implied that Rush is talking about idiots that pretend to be soldiers in order to get benefits or "media attention". He's clearly saying that the "real" patriotic trooops are all in lockstep in support of the war, and that the liberal media cherry-picks a few "phony soldiers" who are willing to say that Bush's policies just aren't working.

It doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with MediaMatters, MoveOn, or fucking George Soros.

Sheesh. The lengths the kool-aid drinkers will go to boggle the mind...

Amen. Apparantly it's only ok to be rich and donate/spend your money any way you wish if you're a conservative. If you're a liberal, you must be part of some uber-secret conspiracy to quiet heroes like Rush Limbaugh.

In the morning update Rush talked about 'phony soldiers' and the rest of the conversation with that caller continued that point, it brought up MacBeth

..... source

RUSH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER: Phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they're proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they're willing to sacrifice for the country.

RUSH: They joined to be in Iraq.

CALLER: A lot of people.

RUSH: You know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you sign up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan, or somewhere.

CALLER: Exactly, sir. My other comment, my original comment, was a retort to Jill about the fact we didn't find any weapons of mass destruction. Actually, we have found weapons of mass destruction in chemical agents that terrorists have been using against us for a while now. I've done two tours in Iraq, I just got back in June, and there are many instances of insurgents not knowing what they're using in their IEDs. They're using mustard artillery rounds, VX artillery rounds in their IEDs. Because they didn't know what they were using, they didn't do it right, and so it didn't really hurt anybody. But those munitions are over there. It's a huge desert. If they bury it somewhere, we're never going to find it.

RUSH: Well, that's a moot point for me right now.

CALLER: Right.


RUSH: The weapons of mass destruction. We gotta get beyond that. We're there. We all know they were there, and Mahmoud even admitted it in one of his speeches here talking about Saddam using the poison mustard gas or whatever it is on his own people. But that's moot. What's more important is all this is taking place now in the midst of the surge working, and all of these anti-war Democrats are getting even more hell-bent on pulling out of there, which means that success on the part of you and your colleagues over there is a great threat to them. It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much.

Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse Macbeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse Macbeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque."

Now, recently, Jesse Macbeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse Macbeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse Macbeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse Macbeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth.


END TRANSCRIPT

Yeah. He doesn't mention Jesse Macbeth until a couple minutes after the "phony soldiers" comment and even then you get the sense one of his producers passed him a note saying "Hey, you might want to fix that."

Also, it's interesting that the wingnuts that are afraid of Soros and the influence a rich liberal might exert have no problem with Richard Scaife and his level of influence.

I had NO idea that WMDs were so conclusively established and that the Surge was working. You'd think that Fox would have at least tried to publicize that.

And besides, there's an easy answer to all of this: Rush could just go on the air and say uniquivocally that troops who disagree with Bush's policies are just as patriotic and brave as any soldier serving.

But nah, he plays the victim and whines he was "taken out of context" and that liberal groups are "out to get him". Just like Bill O. last week. These douchebags will never just come out and say "I'm sorry, that was mistaken".

You'd be surprised how many people believe that. I work with people who absolutely believe that we found WMD's because their brother's friend who served in Iraq told them he "saw them this one time".

You got nothing to dispute stone-cold facts. I'm not out to change your mind I'm simply ensuring that passer-by's aren't misinformed. The facts are now part of this page, if anyone bothers to read them. Have a nice day.

At least I have fucking links, you fucking idiot. (I'm tired of being called that so there)

Where are the links as to Rush's alleged
"Rush questions the patriotism, motivations and even the conscience of soldiers who are in favor of withdrawal."

Where mutha fuckin where? Can you take anything and produce your balls without Rush out of context? Hell no, moron.

If you can, by the skin of your ass, at least produce it, Numnuts. Then we will debate. :P :P :P

And not SIB to rescue your faggot ass. let us amateurs duke it out. Crybabies.

As to what Rush says on the air, he has more than made his case, idiot. As for B. O Reilly you suck on that too, pal. You talkin bout Juan Williams? He was on Washington Journal, and said what he had to say.

Just sayin'.

Rush is a massive d-bag...it's true. Jesse is an isolated case in the big scheme of things, but like anyone even remotely associated with politics, Rush will hammer that particular case until it's bloodied on the floor.

That's the one that really scares me. My aunt and uncle, bless them, they're simple people...they are avid Fox News watchers and very staunch conservatives...borderline neo-cons, in fact. I took my aunt to a burger place that's famous in College Station for some lunch and the conversation eventually degenerated into my jaw hitting the table b/c she was absolutely convinced that WMDs HAD been found in Iraq.

I mean...I didn't really have anything to say to that besides, "What Fox News story ran that claimed that?" To which she replied, "What liberal news story has run that refutes it?"

...and I said, "Umm...all of them?"

It didn't change her mind one bit...and it's actually kind of creepy.

Dear Mr Tourette syndrome,

as demanded: ..... source: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...ory.guest.html

You can read though, can you?

Christ jared, aint Blackwater one? When are isolated cases acceptable? Just when it is on the side of Libs?

I am anti-death penalty.
I am pro-choice.
I am pro same sex marriage, but
when I say I support the troops I am a fucking dog.But to the topic, I support NYT and Rush for what they say.

Nope not a reader :P. I read the entire entry, I know it is above you and all, but seriously what does this have to do with Rush?

Seasbass in a Bun vs Jon V.

Crazy forgot to take her crazy pills again.

ignore

Sorry, Double post.

Oh nothing at all.
Exept that it his homepage, his words and his utter failiure at "supporting the troops". It doesn´t need a degree in Literature to figure that out.

You wouldn't know a degree of Politics if it stepped on your dick. Or a degree in Literature.

Shit. I am beaten up by the inventor of scrabble.

witchesbrew, I ask this in all sincerity, but is English your first language? And if so, is there some reason why you post in the disjointed way you do?

I expected more from you since I exposed you to be a dickhead,

I really did.

But carry the fuck on...ignore.

Why you ask, Schwartz

Dear Sir,
I would appreciate a coherent answer where you exposed anybody as a dickhead apart from yourself. And ignoring does not include answering substantially to your ridicoulus statements in my book.

You addessed me as Mr. tourette, if you referring to someone else let me know.

I ask because making sense* of your short posts in this thread has started to give me a headache. And I spend a good portion of my days parsing legal opinions and textbooks, which can veer to the side of dense.

*I don't mean this in a "you're a wackjob!" way, but a basic, "I'm not sure what the subject of this sentence is" way.