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The Alarming Parallels Between 1929 and 2007
By Robert Kuttner
The American Prospect

Tuesday 02 October 2007

Has deregulation left the economy at risk of another 1929-scale crash? Should the Fed keep bailing out speculators? Kuttner testified on these and related questions today before the House Financial Services Committee.

Testimony of Robert Kuttner
Before the Committee on Financial Services
Rep. Barney Frank, Chairman
U.S. House of Representatives
Washington, D.C.

Mr. Chairman and members of the Committee:

Thank you for this opportunity. My name is Robert Kuttner. I am an economics and financial journalist, author of several books about the economy, co-editor of The American Prospect, and former investigator for the Senate Banking Committee. I have a book appearing in a few weeks that addresses the systemic risks of financial innovation coupled with deregulation and the moral hazard of periodic bailouts.

In researching the book, I devoted a lot of effort to reviewing the abuses of the 1920s, the effort in the 1930s to create a financial system that would prevent repetition of those abuses, and the steady dismantling of the safeguards over the last three decades in the name of free markets and financial innovation.

Your predecessors on the Senate Banking Committee, in the celebrated Pecora Hearings of 1933 and 1934, laid the groundwork for the modern edifice of financial regulation. I suspect that they would be appalled at the parallels between the systemic risks of the 1920s and many of the modern practices that have been permitted to seep back in to our financial markets.

Although the particulars are different, my reading of financial history suggests that the abuses and risks are all too similar and enduring. When you strip them down to their essence, they are variations on a few hardy perennials - excessive leveraging, misrepresentation, insider conflicts of interest, non-transparency, and the triumph of engineered euphoria over evidence.

The most basic and alarming parallel is the creation of asset bubbles, in which the purveyors of securities use very high leverage; the securities are sold to the public or to specialized funds with underlying collateral of uncertain value; and financial middlemen extract exorbitant returns at the expense of the real economy. This was the essence of the abuse of public utilities stock pyramids in the 1920s, where multi-layered holding companies allowed securities to be watered down, to the point where the real collateral was worth just a few cents on the dollar, and returns were diverted from operating companies and ratepayers. This only became exposed when the bubble burst. As Warren Buffett famously put it, you never know who is swimming naked until the tide goes out.

There is good evidence - and I will add to the record a paper on this subject by the Federal Reserve staff economists Dean Maki and Michael Palumbo - that even much of the boom of the late 1990s was built substantially on asset bubbles. ["Disentangling the Wealth Effect: a Cohort Analysis of Household Savings in the 1990s"]

A second parallel is what today we would call securitization of credit. Some people think this is a recent innovation, but in fact it was the core technique that made possible the dangerous practices of the 1920. Banks would originate and repackage highly speculative loans, market them as securities through their retail networks, using the prestigious brand name of the bank - e.g. Morgan or Chase - as a proxy for the soundness of the security. It was this practice, and the ensuing collapse when so much of the paper went bad, that led Congress to enact the Glass-Steagall Act, requiring bankers to decide either to be commercial banks - part of the monetary system, closely supervised and subject to reserve requirements, given deposit insurance, and access to the Fed's discount window; or investment banks that were not government guaranteed, but that were soon subjected to an extensive disclosure regime under the SEC.

Since repeal of Glass Steagall in 1999, after more than a decade of de facto inroads, super-banks have been able to re-enact the same kinds of structural conflicts of interest that were endemic in the 1920s - lending to speculators, packaging and securitizing credits and then selling them off, wholesale or retail, and extracting fees at every step along the way. And, much of this paper is even more opaque to bank examiners than its counterparts were in the 1920s. Much of it isn't paper at all, and the whole process is supercharged by computers and automated formulas. An independent source of instability is that while these credit derivatives are said to increase liquidity and serve as shock absorbers, in fact their bets are often in the same direction - assuming perpetually rising asset prices - so in a credit crisis they can act as net de-stabilizers.

A third parallel is the excessive use of leverage. In the 1920s, not only were there pervasive stock-watering schemes, but there was no limit on margin. If you thought the market was just going up forever, you could borrow most of the cost of your investment, via loans conveniently provided by your stockbroker. It worked well on the upside. When it didn't work so well on the downside, Congress subsequently imposed margin limits. But anybody who knows anything about derivatives or hedge funds knows that margin limits are for little people. High rollers, with credit derivatives, can use leverage at ratios of ten to one, or a hundred to one, limited only by their self confidence and taste for risk. Private equity, which might be better named private debt, gets its astronomically high rate of return on equity capital, through the use of borrowed money. The equity is fairly small. As in the 1920s, the game continues only as long as asset prices continue to inflate; and all the leverage contributes to the asset inflation, conveniently creating higher priced collateral against which to borrow even more money.

The fourth parallel is the corruption of the gatekeepers. In the 1920s, the corrupted insiders were brokers running stock pools and bankers as purveyors of watered stock. 1990s, it was accountants, auditors and stock analysts, who were supposedly agents of investors, but who turned out to be confederates of corporate executives. You can give this an antiseptic academic term and call it a failure of agency, but a better phrase is conflicts of interest. In this decade, it remains to be seen whether the bond rating agencies were corrupted by conflicts of interest, or merely incompetent. The core structural conflict is that the rating agencies are paid by the firms that issue the bonds. Who gets the business - the rating agencies with tough standards or generous ones? Are ratings for sale? And what, really, is the technical basis for their ratings? All of this is opaque, and unregulated, and only now being investigated by Congress and the SEC.

Yet another parallel is the failure of regulation to keep up with financial innovation that is either far too risky to justify the benefit to the real economy, or just plain corrupt, or both. In the 1920s, many of these securities were utterly opaque. Ferdinand Pecora, in his 1939 memoirs describing the pyramid schemes of public utility holding companies, the most notorious of which was controlled by the Insull family, opined that the pyramid structure was not even fully understood by Mr. Insull. The same could be said of many of today's derivatives on which technical traders make their fortunes.

By contrast, in the traditional banking system a bank examiner could look at a bank's loan portfolio, see that loans were backed by collateral and verify that they were performing. If they were not, the bank was made to increase its reserves. Today's examiner is not able to value a lot of the paper held by banks, and must rely on the banks' own models, which clearly failed to predict what happened in the case of sub-prime. The largest banking conglomerates are subjected to consolidated regulation, but the jurisdiction is fragmented, and at best the regulatory agencies can only make educated guesses about whether balance sheets are strong enough to withstand pressures when novel and exotic instruments create market conditions that cannot be anticipated by models.

A last parallel is ideological - the nearly universal conviction, 80 years ago and today, that markets are so perfectly self-regulating that government's main job is to protect property rights, and otherwise just get out of the way.

We all know the history. The regulatory reforms of the New Deal saved capitalism from its own self-cannibalizing instincts, and a reliable, transparent and regulated financial economy went on to anchor an unprecedented boom in the real economy. Financial markets were restored to their appropriate role as servants of the real economy, rather than masters. Financial regulation was pro-efficiency. I want to repeat that, because it is so utterly unfashionable, but it is well documented by economic history. Financial regulation was pro-efficiency. America's squeaky clean, transparent, reliable financial markets were the envy of the world. They undergirded the entrepreneurship and dynamism in the rest of the economy.
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It's obvious you have no idea what caused the Great Depression.

It's kind of like making stupid thread topics is a revolving door in your life. Will you shut the fuck up until you actually study this stuff? I wish I could wipe out the years I spent on these subjects so I wouldn't get so irritated by your stupidity.

Here's one secret-it was regulation in the form of the manipulations by the Federal Reserve to give easy credit to favored industries that caused the depression. Get rid of the Fed, get rid of the biggest creator of cyclical depressions.
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It's kind of like making stupid thread topics is a revolving door in your life. Will you shut the fuck up until you actually study this stuff? I wish I could wipe out the years I spent on these subjects so I wouldn't get so irritated by your stupidity.
After reading your assholish rant, I think you deserve the onslaught of neg rep you will inevitably get.
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Originally Posted by stunt poop
It's obvious you have no idea what caused the Great Depression.

It's kind of like making stupid thread topics is a revolving door in your life. Will you shut the fuck up until you actually study this stuff? I wish I could wipe out the years I spent on these subjects so I wouldn't get so irritated by your stupidity.

Here's one secret-it was regulation in the form of the manipulations by the Federal Reserve to give easy credit to favored industries that caused the depression. Get rid of the Fed, get rid of the biggest creator of cyclical depressions.
Is this better?
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yt vs. some newbie named "stuntpoop" who only seems to respond in generalities and insults.

Gee, I wonder who's going to be taken more seriously?

It should also be noted that yt didn't do the research; however, if you look Robert Kuttner up, the guy's an award-winning journalist who's taught at some exceptional schools, including Harvard - I'm guessing that he's done a little research on those subjects that you spent all those years on. The condescension is charming, though. That always goes over well around here.
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I can't wait until stunt poop starts citing mises.org.
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I wish I could wipe out the years I spent on these subjects...
The argument from authority works only if you have more authority than the guy you're challenging. Is you CV more impressive than Kuttner's?
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The government should do everything for us we could possibly need. There probably is no scientific case against that.
I look forward to the onset of collective farms (they worked for the USSR!) and socialized videogames.

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There's nothing to learn. I'm not saying it's fair. I have a friend who was murdered by a guy we both went to high school and college with who was obviously mentally ill all through high school. He never should have been to college. But the principle behind pressing charges in my opinion should primarily be restitution, then punishment, both of which the government is very deficient with-particularly restitution and restoring victims.

I think the guy who murdered my friend should be in jail for life because of his actions, not because he's unsympathetic or because I don't care about his psychosis. The closest means of restoring a lost life is to enslave or take the life of the guilty person.

It's not about hating or forgiving the guy, or blaming him for not taking medicine, which he may not even be responsible for.

This is all legalese for you've got a lot to learn about just law. I'm guessing you're concerned more with the state of mind of perpetrators, intent, etc. After years of studying these issues, I can only see the futility in trying to use such things in determining whether someone should be considered a criminal or not, and action should be the relevant factor. Experts can determine whether someone is even in control of their actions or not.
This isn't just hilariously bad legal thinking (although it is that as well), it's fucking nuts.

As DaveB is to music and Cobretti is to reasoned conservative politics, stunt poop is to ridiculous pronouncements backed up by a condescending proclamations of "study".
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Who fucking cares, when the crash happens I'm turning cannibal and your all on the fucking menu.
I may be wrong, but I'd have to put money down on Sprankton being the latest incarnation of "Creepy Thin Man".
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There's nothing to learn. I'm not saying it's fair. I have a friend who was murdered by a guy we both went to high school and college with who was obviously mentally ill all through high school. He never should have been to college. But the principle behind pressing charges in my opinion should primarily be restitution, then punishment, both of which the government is very deficient with-particularly restitution and restoring victims.

I think the guy who murdered my friend should be in jail for life because of his actions, not because he's unsympathetic or because I don't care about his psychosis. The closest means of restoring a lost life is to enslave or take the life of the guilty person.

It's not about hating or forgiving the guy, or blaming him for not taking medicine, which he may not even be responsible for.

This is all legalese for you've got a lot to learn about just law. I'm guessing you're concerned more with the state of mind of perpetrators, intent, etc. After years of studying these issues, I can only see the futility in trying to use such things in determining whether someone should be considered a criminal or not, and action should be the relevant factor. Experts can determine whether someone is even in control of their actions or not..
where is this quote from? The capital punishment thread?
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There are parallels between 1929 and about 1999 to now. The major difference has been the existence of the worldwide network of Federal Reserve Banks. The real issue is how long can the Reserve Banks keep bailing out companies over and over again.
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Christ, are the brown shirts on the march again?
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where is this quote from? The capital punishment thread?
It's probably his introduction post.
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Here's the thing: on the one hand, bailing out institutions helps prevent general financial meltdown and the shafting of the smalltime investor; on the other hand, it encourages institutions to make risky decisions, knowing they stand a fair chance of getting bailed out if they screw the pooch.

I'm not an economist, so I don't know how to make the best tradeoffs here. This is one of those issues about which I can only hope that the big brains at the Federal Reserve have got the ball.
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Shorter stunt poop: "GRRRAAAAHHHH I AM FILLED WITH IMPOTENT RAGE! ARRRGGHH!! STUPID BROADS NEED TO BE QUIET!!"

And I've got to second FC's post. I don't really think the big brains at the Fed have the ball, but it would be nice to see a bit of institutional sanity amidst the chaos.
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From the Wall Street Journal:

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Income-Inequality Gap Widens
Boom in Financial Markets
Parallels Rise in Share
For Wealthiest Americans
By GREG IP
October 12, 2007; Page A2

The richest Americans' share of national income has hit a postwar record, surpassing the highs reached in the 1990s bull market, and underlining the divergence of economic fortunes blamed for fueling anxiety among American workers.

The wealthiest 1% of Americans earned 21.2% of all income in 2005, according to new data from the Internal Revenue Service. That is up sharply from 19% in 2004, and surpasses the previous high of 20.8% set in 2000, at the peak of the previous bull market in stocks.

The bottom 50% earned 12.8% of all income, down from 13.4% in 2004 and a bit less than their 13% share in 2000.

The IRS data, based on a large sample of tax returns, are for "adjusted gross income," which is income after some deductions, such as for alimony and contributions to individual retirement accounts. While dated, many scholars prefer it to timelier data from other agencies because it provides details of the very richest -- for example, the top 0.1% and the top 1%, not just the top 10% -- and includes capital gains, an important, though volatile, source of income for the affluent.

The IRS data go back only to 1986, but academic research suggests the rich last had this high a share of total income in the 1920s.

Scholars attribute rising inequality to several factors, including technological change that favors those with more skills, and globalization and advances in communications that enlarge the rewards available to "superstar" performers whether in business, sports or entertainment.
[Unequal]

In an interview yesterday with The Wall Street Journal, President Bush said, "First of all, our society has had income inequality for a long time. Secondly, skills gaps yield income gaps. And what needs to be done about the inequality of income is to make sure people have got good education, starting with young kids. That's why No Child Left Behind is such an important component of making sure that America is competitive in the 21st century." (See article.)

Jason Furman, a scholar at the Brookings Institution and an adviser to Democratic politicians, said: "We've had a 30-year trend of increasing inequality. There was an artificial reduction in that trend following the bursting of the stock-market bubble in 2000."

The IRS data don't identify the source of increased income for the affluent, but the boom on Wall Street has likely played a part, just as the last stock boom fueled the late-1990s surge. Until this summer, soaring stock prices and buoyant credit markets had produced spectacular payouts for private-equity and hedge-fund managers, and investment bankers.

One study by University of Chicago academics Steven Kaplan and Joshua Rauh concludes that in 2004 there were more than twice as many such Wall Street professionals in the top 0.5% of all earners as there are executives from nonfinancial companies.

Mr. Rauh said "it's hard to escape the notion" that the rising share of income going to the very richest is, in part, "a Wall Street, financial industry-based story." The study shows that the highest-earning hedge-fund manager earned double in 2005 what the top earner made in 2003, and top 25 hedge-fund managers earned more in 2004 than the chief executives of all the companies in the Standard & Poor's 500-stock index, combined. It also shows profits per equity partner at the top 100 law firms doubling between 1994 and 2004, to over $1 million in 2004 dollars.
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Related reading.

I looked but could not find what dollar value is the equivalent of the top 1% for this year. In 2005 it was a little over $1M, and that was about 1.4M households in the country.
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The argument from authority works only if you have more authority than the guy you're challenging.
No it doesn't. Neither of us are cosmologists, but I'm allowed to reference Einstein's papers in defense of Relativity should you choose to argue that it's all a lot of bunk. It's okay to argue from authority if the authority really is an authority. A bad argument from authority would be to argue that the jury really is still out on evolution because George Bush said so and he's the president.

Anyway, carry on.
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No it doesn't. Neither of us are cosmologists, but I'm allowed to reference Einstein's papers in defense of Relativity should you choose to argue that it's all a lot of bunk. It's okay to argue from authority if the authority really is an authority. A bad argument from authority would be to argue that the jury really is still out on evolution because George Bush said so and he's the president.

Anyway, carry on.
You're right and wrong.

Since Stuntpoop was claiming himself to be the authority, it didn't work because he hasn't got any. Thus the remark that one has to be the authority to make the argument of authority when referring to oneself as the authority. Obviously one can make the authority argument when referring to any authority but but simple referencing a vague authority figure or making a vague claim to have authority oneself does not genuine authority make.

And, arguing authority still really only works if you're both an authority on the subject, and discussing something established, because emminence does not make evidence.
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That's it.

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Originally Posted by Belethedheliel
You're right and wrong.

Since Stuntpoop was claiming himself to be the authority, it didn't work because he hasn't got any. Thus the remark that one has to be the authority to make the argument of authority when referring to oneself as the authority. Obviously one can make the authority argument when referring to any authority but but simple referencing a vague authority figure or making a vague claim to have authority oneself does not genuine authority make.

And, arguing authority still really only works if you're both an authority on the subject, and discussing something established, because emminence does not make evidence.
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Originally Posted by Belethedheliel
You're right and wrong.

Since Stuntpoop was claiming himself to be the authority, it didn't work because he hasn't got any. Thus the remark that one has to be the authority to make the argument of authority when referring to oneself as the authority. Obviously one can make the authority argument when referring to any authority but but simple referencing a vague authority figure or making a vague claim to have authority oneself does not genuine authority make.
Okay.

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And, arguing authority still really only works if you're both an authority on the subject, and discussing something established, because emminence does not make evidence.
Like I said, it's okay to argue from authority when the authority is genuine. It's not an appeal to eminence, it's referencing previous thought and effort done on the subject. I don't have to start from first principles to defend relativity or something, I can reference previous work like Einstein's theories, as well as the numerous times his theories have been confirmed through experiment. That's an argument from authority, but not a fallacious one.

We're both putting too much effort into this derailment. But speaking of relativity . . .

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I wish I could wipe out the years I spent on these subjects so I wouldn't get so irritated by your stupidity.
Time travel's a bitch, and traumatic head injury is never fun, so I would suggest a third option to avoid irritation: going away.

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Here's the thing: on the one hand, bailing out institutions helps prevent general financial meltdown and the shafting of the smalltime investor;
Why not just bail out the investors, then? Banks offer GIC's, why not the government? Refunding the investments must be cheaper than paying for the institution in question to rebuild itself.
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Like I said, it's okay to argue from authority when the authority is genuine. It's not an appeal to eminence, it's referencing previous thought and effort done on the subject.
Oh, what the hell. Let's derail.

I think we operate under what I refer to as "pub rules," which means that, for the most part, we use the knowledge set that we'd bring to a discussion in a pub. If you argue that V=IR, I'm willing to accept that because you're a professional engineer arguing in good faith - an authority, if you will. I really don't need to see the proof or the references. If, on the other hand, some random obnoxious guy enters the conversation, I'm going to raise the "authority" bar a little higher before I'm willing to take his word for anything.

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Why not just bail out the investors, then? Banks offer GIC's, why not the government? Refunding the investments must be cheaper than paying for the institution in question to rebuild itself.
I think the government bails out institutions because it expects that those institutions, properly chastened, will go on to create value. Having said that, economic policy is really not my thing. My gut instinct is that the government shouldn't bail out anyone or any institution, but that's tempered by a judgment that preventing a run on investment vehicles is in the common interest.

BTW, I recently stopped for gas in Cold Lake, Canada before flying over the Canadian Rockies. Stunning, truly stunning.
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BTW, I recently stopped for gas in Cold Lake, Canada before flying over the Canadian Rockies. Stunning, truly stunning.
[Derail Even Further] It's beautiful but you never want to be there in February. -40 plus a wind off of the lake makes it damn near uninhabitable. [/Derail]
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