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But, only when you're talking about humans creating an artifical lifeform in a laboratory for the first time.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/07/a...ic-chromosome/

If this article is accurate, do we have a top ten "scientific breakthrough of all time", and a sure-fire nobel prize winner? The mind boggles. I, for one, welcome our new Mycoplasma Laboratorium overlords.
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This makes me very excited. I think an official announcement is supposed to happen today.

I wonder how the church is going to fit god in all this.
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I don't think Gods should be named Craig.
post #4 of 12
What if it's their surname?
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While this is indeed impressive, I think that the term "synthetic lifeform" is being misapplied. He didn't create life from scratch so much as he took an existing bacterium and completely reprogrammed it on the chromosonal level.

To use an entirely hypothetical (and extreme) example, it would be like stripping away all your DNA and choosing what DNA you wanted to replace it with. You could, in effect, change every single thing about yourself including whether or not you even wanted to be human anymore, but for it to work you would still need yourself as the template.

Which, like I said, is a monumentally impressive feat and is certainley something that can and likely will change the world as we know it. It's just my understanding that the creation, from scratch, of an entirely synethic life form is still nothing more than theoretical at this stage. And, at least for me, there's quite a bit of difference between unlocking the ability to completely re-write an organism's genetic code at it's most basic levels and creating an entirely new living thing from nothing.

Anyway, a few quotes form his spokesperson in this article-

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071006...h_071006195751

make it sound like The Guardian (who broke this news) may have put the cart before the horse with this story.
post #6 of 12
I love all the robots taking over comments posted by people.

And indeed, quite impressive.
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by Cow Puncher
While this is indeed impressive, I think that the term "synthetic lifeform" is being misapplied. He didn't create life from scratch so much as he took an existing bacterium and completely reprogrammed it on the chromosonal level.
I've heard this argument before and still don't get it. At worst this technique is a shortcut. I don't think that for a lifeform to be considered artificial it should be created from scratch.
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I've heard this argument before and still don't get it. At worst this technique is a shortcut. I don't think that for a lifeform to be considered artificial it should be created from scratch.
He didn't create life, he modified existing life. Therefore he didn't create something artificial. Without the previously existing bacterium, he wouldn't have anything. He modified something artificially, but it isn't artificial life, it's an artificially modified organism.
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He didn't create life, he modified existing life. Therefore he didn't create something artificial. Without the previously existing bacterium, he wouldn't have anything. He modified something artificially, but it isn't artificial life, it's an artificially modified organism.
Let's continue this argument to its logical conclusion:

1)He didn't create life, he modified existed molecular structures, but did not create those molecules himself; hence, he relied upon existing molecules and didn't create anything.

2)He didn't create life, he modified existing atomic structures. Unless you invent a whole new atom, you haven't done shit!

3)Buh, buh, buh quarks and leptons and dark matter wree hear before the atom! Even if you make new atoms, and use that to form new animlas, it's still teh JEBUS that started it all!


Cowpuncher, your argument really doesn't make a lot of sense. These scientists created anew strain of DNA and borrowed an existing host cell to serve as the environment in which said DNA could replicate. That's new life. Monkeys (with whom we share a common ancestor) inhabit forests. That doesn't mean the forest is part of the monkey. Similarly, DNAs inhabit cellular structures. It doesn't necessarily mean that the DNA, in and of itself, isn't a lifeform.
post #10 of 12
What Overlord said.

Basically what should be the starting point for you to consider this artificial life? Should they start constructing organisms at the atomic level?
post #11 of 12
Pre exististing bacterial cell, dirt and a rib, it's all the same thing.
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Originally Posted by Cow Puncher
... he modified existing life. Therefore he didn't create something artificial.
Artificial: a thing that did not naturally occur.

He modified existing life. Modified life did not occur naturally. Therefore he created artificial life.

You put too much power in the word "artificial" — though it were a synonym for "out of thin air."
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