Music: From gold to crap

I believe Limp Bizkit gave rise to this phenomenon, rightfully so I might add.

Peer pressure, maybe? "Everyone else hates it now, so I do too?"

FWIW, I've never liked a band and then turned around and disliked them years later.

I get it, you meant Creed and Nickleback, right?

You still like every band you have ever liked?


ETA: In the year 1994 I was a Live fan and a Goo Goo Dolls fan. Is that what you are looking for?

I am dreadfully ashamed of my Dave Matthews Band days.

B, it's ok, we know why you bought the red hat.

I think I brought up the counter-point to this thread when I started one of my very first threads on CHUD, about what music converted you from shitty taste to good. My former shitty taste included Def Leppard and Bon Jovi. My shame with Leppard is that it continued all the way through "Adrenalize", with such pieces of shit as "Let's get Rocked". In my defense, I was 13.

Since then, the furthest my missteps will go is buying a CD I never should have bought. In this category I place Franz Ferdinand, and The Hives. I think I listened to each of those CD's once, and then completely lost interest due to the lack of depth. I'm sure they weren't "going" for depth, but I was looking for it, and came up disappointed.

Enjoying Live is still perfectly acceptable, as long as you ignore their last two or three albums. Everything up through Secret Samadhi is still the tits.

Yeah, I'm secretly in charge of the Limp Bizkit fan club. In all honesty, I like the musicians in Limp Bizkit, I just hate the "singer/rapper," mostly because he can't sing/rap.

As to surprise bands that you love then eventually hate, Aerosmith. Love their older material but just trying to listen to anything from them post 80's albums makes me want to stab my ears with a power drill.

Same here, Wes Borland was the main reason I listened to those guys for a while. If only Scott Weiland was more than occasional guest vocalist, I might still give a shit about them.

The Durst backlash is totally deserved.

THROWING COPPER still rocks hard. One of the best albums of the '90s. Which is kinda scary, considering the band didn't even come close to reaching the heights of that album.

Speaking of which, what the fuck happened to Scott Weiland*? I loved him in STP, Solo album was meh, Velvet Revolver is dogshit, and then there was the atrocity they did at the Rock and Roll hall of fame induction.




*yeah I know, heroine and all that.

I still fucking love Mental Jewelry and really, really like 90% of Copper, the rest of their output leaves me cold.

Metallica is the only band I can say with a straight face that I liked before they sold out. Hell, I used to love that band. However, everything they've done since 1990 has been horrible to my ears. I hated when James attempted to sing- his voice is weak, so why "sing". Couple that with songs that were either bloated with self importance or just plain weak made me hate the band that I adored. I had the highest of hopes when Jason Newstead joined up, as he wrote all of the material on the killer 1st Flotsam and Jetsam disc, but the egomaniacs that are Lars and James refused to let him write for Metallica...

I've only recently revisited the older albums, and thankfully they are good enough to wash away alot of the anger and frustration over the last 19 years for that band.

I think it's usually just about growing up. Since music can be so intensely personal when you're a teenager, it can be really jarring to listen to what touched you deeply while you were awkward and emotionally confused. Like revisiting the person you used to be at 16, which I would hate, hate, hate to do. This is why I keep trying to forget I once owned a Godhead album.

This is also why The Crow was my favorite movie in 1998, and in 2003 I could not get through it.

But if you take direct hormonal influence out of the equation, my example would be Garbage. I loved the instrumentation and the texturing and the catchy hooks (still do), and I thought Shirley's voice was lovely. I withstood the insecure lovesick female lyrics as long as I managed to be single. Once I started dating insecure lovesick females it became unbearable.

Velvet Revolver's debut had it's moments(mostly thanks to his voice), but I haven't heard the second one. I expected much more from that band, but Weiland didn't really let me down(for the most part).
If you like their old shit still. Does that still apply(in the case of this thread)? It would be different if LOAD came out, you loved it, and then decided it was shit a few years later.

I honestly COULDN'T listen to them for years. When i get into a band, I am into them completely. I worked at a Tower Records and used to be a comic guy, so when I liked a band, I bought everything. Then the black album hit and I literally sold off all my discs. Sure, its weak to think about now, but I felt betrayed in 1990. I got angry when I would hear them. As much as I might like "angry young man music" I don't listen to it to get mad. They soured my opinion of those first (great) albums and its only been in the last year that I've revisited them.

You are my future; I love Garbage now, but at the same time I'm quite certain that I won't love them forever. I can see elements that I don't like, but tolerate, but that if I had a slightly different disposition I wouldn't tolerate. It's a strange feeling to have.

I don't really have a clean example for the OP, though. There are several bands that I love at first, then turn away from, then slowly come back to, but that's not really the same thing.

I hear where you're coming from, kind of like someone who's love for Halloween was greatly diminished after the inferior sequels.

I fucking hated Nine Inch Nails' With_Teeth to the point where I wasn't sure I was even a fan anymore. This was NIN's LOAD to me. Or maybe RELOAD, the second disc of the Fragile was rather weak. In the long run, it wasn't enough to make me hate Broken or the Downward Spiral. Or parts of Pretty Hate Machine[/I](that album is dated as fuck now).

That was in response to johnnycinco. I can't edit my posts for some odd reason.

johnnycinco, check out my old thread on THE BLACK ALBUM:

http://chud.com/forums/showthread.ph...he+black+album

I've never understood the distaste for THE BLACK ALBUM, but I know how you feel in a way. When LOAD hit, I talked myself into liking the album for a good year. Then I profusely washed my intestines out of all the shit I ate up over those months.

My first Metallica listen was from a friend of mine who joined the RCA Record and Tape club. He had an older friend who had played some metal for him and he was intensely interested in learning more about the genre. He grabbed a RCA ad and picked out all of the metal bands he could. Some were classics (Holy Diver) some were not the hard driving, scare the shit out of our parents music that he was looking for (Krokus) He called me up as soon as he opened the package.

"Master of Puppets looks fucking evil!" So I hopped on my bike and rode over to his house and fell in love with it. We tracked down all of the other albums. Hell, I remember walking from his house to Sterling, VA to go to a Waxie Maxies to get a copy of Garage Days Re-revisted on cassette the day it came out. IT WAS AN SEVEN MILE WALK.

When the black album came out, it was horrifying to the fans of the older stuff. How do you go from Dyer's Eve to Unforgiven in just one album? Its not like I would have been opposed to the band evolving. I have always had a love of other types of music, and could have easily handled a ballad or two. For me, its a matter of quality of the music (which seemed sorely lacking in the black album) and that no matter how I listened to it, it felt like they had really sold out. That they were chasing popularity. Now I don't have a problem with pop music, its just odd that a band that can go platinum without any videos or radioplay feels the need to radically change everything about their (very fucking popular) music in a non-organic manner to just sell more.

I jumped on the Limp Bizkit-wagon and later realised it was a mistake. The Goo Goo Dolls were pretty good for a few years then I got sick of them. Same with Oasis. Maybe the one thing that combines all these artists is that their music is produced very well so it sounds good. It seems to take a few years for me to realise there's very little behind that.

I think it's the same as when you love a song and play it over and over again, and then you just get tired of it. Music's not quite like movies or something. Music gets a lot more play, and that makes it easier to start to hate over time.

Also, I think that there can be certain things you love about songs, until you hear them some more. I'm sure we've all had an experience where we listen to a song for a while, until we realize how completely shitty the lyrics are.

yah like most people Limp bizkit would be my example...but mostly i would just argue that its me who grew up and realized that i liked other things.

There aren't a lot of artists I used to love that I don't listen to at all. I guess Limp Bizkit, Eminem. For about two weeks when I was thirteen, I thought the New Radicals were going to change the world with their powerful message of the dreamers disease. I still love Oasis to this day, and never really got into DMB, so I'm safe on those fronts.

What about dance music like Ace of Base and Aqua? I don't have them on my ipod and consider them simplistic, but I still enjoy hearing them once in a while, and retro night gets better whenever they come on. Does music have to be serious to be crap?

This is an amazing thread. Mostly because I read the first post and thought... Easy... the band Live.

And a ton of you had already put that in there.

10,000 Years (Peace is Now) and White Discussion are two of my favorite 90s songs. I really couldn't stand these guys after Copper, though. It always bugged me.

Am I the only that really liked Smash Mouth at first( I was a teenager)?

I don't know. They've got a lot of good songs. I used to be a pretty big fan but, while I still don't dislike them, I only listen to them every now and then anymore. "Stand Up" is complete garbage, though.

Here is one I'm struggling with lately: Beck. I was in love with his stuff when "Mellow Gold" came out and a lot of "Odelay" was great too. But over the years, I've gotten bored with the party anthem schtick that he's known for. I think I prefer his darker and more acoustic based stuff now like "One Foot in the Grave" and "Mutations".

Maybe nothing I've added here fits, though, since I've gone from 'love' to 'disenchanted by' DMB and Beck.

All this talk of DMB has reminded me I have three Counting Crows -albums gathering dust in my record shelf. Maybe I should re-visit them some day. If we're talking about dance music, I'm ashamed I still sort of like Scooter.

Goo Goo Dolls started off as a serious punk band. Their early stuff still rocks.

For me: No Doubt. I used to love their ska-punk stylings. But now whenever I see Gwen Stefani I want to poke holes in my eardrums.

I think a part of the love/hate phenomenon comes from maturing tastes in music. When you're thirteen you listen to what's on the radio, what your friends listen to or what is being played in your house (not likely from your parents, more likely from a sibling). It's usually a very passive way of listening to music. But eventually you discover the one act that causes you to listen to music differently (in my case it was The Police's Synchronicity) and the musical world starts to open up for you. You grow as a listener and in some cases as a musician. You start to research the bands that are in the same genre or that influenced your favourite band. You no longer just listen to music passively, you enjoy it actively. Chord changes, interesting lyrics, little mix tricks start to fascinate you.

You then go back and listen to that band you loved at thirteen and realize that the only thing it ever had going for it was a hook. You're disappointed so you swear off of them. Suddenly Quiet Riot and Twisted Sister kinda suck. You may be able to enjoy them later as a nostalgia thing but you'll likely never own an album or actively seek out their music again.

This is the trend as I've seen it:

People start to develop tastes and preferences at a tweener age.

In High School, a lot of kids find music that 'moves' them, be it Pink Floyd, The Dead, classical or 50 cent. Whatever.

ffwd to the twenties - people get serious about life, and then feel that their seriousness need be reflected in their aesthetic preferences. This applies to everything: clothes, movies, domicile, car etc. Also, at this time, people go to college, and are heavily influenced by peers they respect. Also, with college, people get exposed to more obscure music and oftentimes really believe in their own evaluation/opinions about art in general. At this point, people start to hate the music they used to love as a tweener/teener.

In the thirties, I see a lot of people either opening their minds up to things they claimed they hated - I used to hate almost all metal as a teen, Metallica in particular, now 'Master of Puppets' is one of my all time fave albums - but I also see a lot of people refusing to listen to anything new.

I think that trend continues into the 40's and 50's.

I'll bump this thread every ten years and report back.

There's a reason a lot of people discuss music as the "soundtrack of their lives". I can hear 10 c.c. or Boston's first album and tell you *exactly* the moment it conjures up for me. We tend to have an associative connection with music. And there's truth in the idea that something that moves you at one point in your life has little inherent value in another part. It's just a part of the way things are. There's nothing wrong in expanding your ability to look at what makes a song and deciding that as you grow, the song doesn't fit what you're feeling or looking for.

But yeah, there are gateway performances and artists. I'm willing to bet that Stevie Ray Vaughn turned a generation and a half of guitar players onto the Kings that wouldn't have discovered them as quickly or easily if he'd not been the success and the man that he was.

From the vantage of looking back at the age of (nearly) 45, I find that the bands/artists that stay with me tend to stay with me for a long time. And for different reasons. I'll still throw in Boston's or Heart's first album and relive the feeling of being a teen. I was working in recording studios and as a music journalist when I first got into Toad the Wet Sprocket, and have appreciated every album they or Glen Phillips released, primarily from a production standpoint. I still listen to "Fear" and "Coil" on a fairly regular basis. Same with Del Amitri....I've yet to tire of the approach they bring to their lyrics and arrangements. I purchase every Bruce Springsteen release, simply because I'm convinced there's something on there that's going to speak to me.

But I'm old, comparatively. And I was a working musician for so long that I rarely worried about a song on the radio for the simple sake of the song itself. Music gave me a lot of its secrets, but for the longest time I refused to give mine to it unless I was creating songs or performances myself.

I was gonna second Chunkylover & say I hate no band that I ever liked.

Then someone else posted something about Quiet Riot. Whoops. I remember really liking "Metal Health" (Never bought any other albums, though) when I was 12 (I still have one on vinyl lying around somewhere). For years I thought "God, what was I thinking?!", and came to regard my possession of that album as an embarrassment. But every now & then, I hear 'Cum on Feel the Noize" on the radio, as sort of a so bad it's kinda cool retro 80's thing. And on that level, I can kind of get into it.

But I've nevrer been motivated by one of these listens to rush home, blow the dust off record & throw it on my turntable.

But even that may be missing the point; the 1st band I ever really GOT INTO was Men At Work. Their body of work only consists of 3 albums and some b-sides, so not a hard band to keep up with. Does this stuff sound dated & 80-fied? Sure. But their quirky pop style is still kind of retro cool to me, and not in a so bad it's good kind of way. I loved it when I was 13, I love it now. Ditto the heavy metal I got into in high school. I have only a few bands I really liked (Maiden, Metallica up to "Master of Puppets", Motorhead). And I still regularly go see them (well, not Metallica) in concert if I get the chance. Saw Maiden on their last 2 tours; Motorhead opened on the 1st of those. And I still think that stuff rocks hard. Don't look back on that & shake my head in a "what was I thinking" kind of way. Ever. In fact, I never liked Priest much, but I'm hearing a lot of their stuff on the radio these days, and thinking maybe I misjudged them, and I think I'm gonna see if they have a greatest hits CD out there. Is that a phenomenon that's ever heppened to any of you? Sort of the reverse of this thread's premise, that you HATED something THEN got into it later?

As I stated above, I used to hate Metallica, now, Master of Puppets is one of my all time faves.

Another band I used to despise, and now, for whatever reason, I think Gold & Platinum by Lynyrd Skynyrd, is fantastic.

That type of Beck is the only stuff I ever liked from him.

Don't we all?

When Metallica's black album was released a friend of mine tried to convince himself that it was in fact was really good.

Two months later he gave up and backed his car over the tape repeatedly. Put the pieces in a bag and set it on fire. Scattered the remains.

Which was dumb, because Metallica's black album is in fact, really good.
Anyone who really thinks that album is shit either doesn't know good songwriting when they hear it,
or is just being snobby. I'm tired of people hating that nearly flawless sellout album.

Let's just say boy do we disagree.

Seconded. I still maintain that their first album is great, and that their second is somewhat underrated. But it's been years since I actively cared what they were up to.

Even the third album's pretty good, actually. After that... blah.

If Recovering the Satellites were released today on a small label with half the budget, a positive review from Pitchfork, and none of Duritz's dreadlocks or public persona, it would be on everyone's top ten this year.* There's some seriously great songwriting on it.

* Listen to Will Scheff on the new Okkervil River and tell me you don't hear some similarities in lyric writing and delivery between him and Duritz.

The third album felt more like a collection of singles than a cohesive whole.

And the only thing that keeps me from lauding Satellites unreservedly is "Monkey." It's a truly awful song.

Weird. I think that's one of the stronger tracks. It sounds like 70s pop to me, like Counting Crows do Something/Anything?-era Todd Rundgren.

That may be the problem. Early-to-mid 70s radio pop has never been something that appealed to me, or that I know much about, honestly.

Forgetting bands that you lose respect for as tastes mature (KISS!) or acts that change vs. your own tastes changing (No Doubt/Gwen Stefani), the only bands I can think of who I truly fell hard for and then totally fell out of love with are Living Color and Green Day. In both cases, I bought their first album, loved-loved-loved it for about a season and then one day could barely stand them. Also in both cases the entire cycle was completed before radio play picked up and in both cases I've come slightly back around but it has never been the same for me.

EDIT: I unashamedly love Recovering the Satellites.

I also really liked Everclear for a little while (pre-Sparkle and Fade up to, um, the album after Sparkle and Fade). Saw them about 10 times, mostly at small places like The Mercury Lounge or obscure places like Manhattan's world renowned West Beth Theatre and a show I drove to on the spur of the moment in Connecticut at a real small bar that had about 40 people in attendance, and half of them were "regulars" that paid no attention to the band. They blew the place apart. The last concert of theirs that I attended the 3 piece band had swelled to about 41 people on stage and they were almost embarrassingly awful. I broke up with them that night and never looked back. We have since lost contact.

I have to admit I really liked Sparkle and Fade, too, and I suspect that it might even hold up, though I haven't listened to it in years. I saw them twice (for free) on that tour, and they were a pretty great, energetic live band.

Then Alexakis decided that every song had to be a "You Make Me Feel Like a Whore" retread with lyrics about his dad or being a dad.