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Naomi Wolf: "Is it treason yet?"

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I wish people would stop breaking into tears when they talk to me these days.

I am traveling across the country at the moment — Colorado to California — speaking to groups of Americans from all walks of life about the assault on liberty and the ten steps now underway in America to a violently closed society.

The good news is that Americans are already awake: I thought there would be resistance to or disbelief at this message of gathering darkness — but I am finding crowds of people who don’t need me to tell them to worry; they are already scared, already alert to the danger and entirely prepared to hear what the big picture might look like. To my great relief, Americans are smart and brave and they are unflinching in their readiness to hear the worst and take action. And they love their country.

But I can’t stand the stories I am hearing. I can’t stand to open my email these days. And wherever I go, it seems, at least once a day, someone very strong starts to cry while they are speaking.

In Boulder, two days ago, a rosy-cheeked thirtysomething mother of two small children, in soft yoga velours, started to tear up when she said to me: `I want to take action but I am so scared. I look at my kids and I am scared. How do you deal with fear? Is it safer for them if I act or stay quiet? I don’t want to get on a list.’ In DC, before that, a beefy, handsome civil servant, a government department head — probably a Republican — confides in a lowered voice that he is scared to sign the new ID requirement for all government employees, that exposes all his most personal information to the State — but he is scared not to sign it: `If I don’t, I lose my job, my house. It’s like the German National ID card,’ he said quietly. This morning in Denver I talked for almost an hour to a brave, much-decorated high-level military leader who is not only on the watch list for his criticism of the administration — his family is now on the list. He has undertaken many dangerous combat missions in his service to his country over the course of his career, but his voice cracks when he talks about the possibility that he is exposing his children to harassment.

Jim Spencer, a former columnist for the Denver Post who has been critical of the Bush administration, told me today that I could use his name: he is on the watch list. An attorney contacts me to say that she told her colleagues at the Justice Department not to torture a detainee; she says she then faced a criminal investigation, a professional referral, saw her emails deleted — and now she is on the watch list. I was told last night that a leader of Code Pink, the anti-war women’s action group, was refused entry to Canada. I hear from a tech guy who works for the airlines — again, probably a Republican — that once you are on the list you never get off. Someone else says that his friend opened his luggage to find a letter from the TSA saying that they did not appreciate his reading material. Before I go into the security lines, I find myself editing my possessions. In New York’s LaGuardia, I reluctantly found myself putting a hardcover copy of Tara McKelvey’s excellent Monstering, an expose of CIA interrogation practices, in a garbage can before I get in the security line; it is based on classified information. This morning at my hotel, before going to the airport, I threw away a very nice black T-shirt that said `We Will Not be Silenced’ — with an Arabic translation — that someone had given me, along with a copy of poems written by detainees at Guantanamo.

In my America we are not scared to get in line at the airport. In my America, we will not be silenced.

More times than I can count, courageous and confident men and women who are telling me about speaking up, but who are risking what they see as the possible loss of job, home or the ability to pay for grown kids’ schooling, start to choke up. Yesterday a woman in one gathering started to cry simply while talking about the degradation of her beloved country.

And always the questions: what do we do?

It is clear from this inundation of personal stories of abuse and retribution against ordinary Americans that a network of criminal behavior and intention is catching up more and more mainstream citizens in its grasp. It is clear that this is not democracy as usual — or even the corruption of democracy as usual. It is clear that we will need more drastic action than emails to Congress.

The people I am hearing from are conservatives and independents as well as progressives. The cardinal rule of a closing or closed society is that your alignment with the regime offers no protection; in a true police state no one is safe.

I read the news in a state of something like walking shock: seven soldiers wrote an op-ed critical of the war — in the New York Times; two are dead, one shot in the head. A female soldier who was about to become a whistleblower, possibly about abuses involving taxpayers’ money; shot in the head. Pat Tillman, who was contemplating coming forward in a critique of the war; shot in the head. Donald Vance, a contractor himself, who blew the whistle on irregularities involving arms sales in Iraq — taken hostage FROM the US Embassy BY US soldiers and kept without recourse to a lawyer in a US held-prison, abused and terrified for weeks — and scared to talk once he got home. Another whistleblower in Iraq, as reported in Vanity Fair: held in a trailer all night by armed contractors before being ejected from the country.

Last month contractors, immune from the rule of law, butchered 17 Iraqi civilians in cold blood. Congress mildly objected — and contractors butchered two more innocent civilian Iraqi ladies on Tuesday — in cold blood.

Today the New York Times reports that the State Department is not cooperating with Iraqi or FBI investigators into the matter of the Blackwater massacre of seventeen Iraqi civilians.

Pay attention to this. Readers who know `the blueprint’ will be horrified but not surprised. `Step Two’ in the closing down of an open society is for the State to showcase to civilians the fact that a paramilitary force is outside the rule of law. When SA began — still illegally — beating citizens in Germany, National Socialist strategists made sure that photographers and reporters were present. We must consider: if the State showcases to Americans the fact that it is protecting its own cadre of violent criminals in Iraq — will Congress be courageous in confronting Blackwater violence when Blackwater manifests its well-documented plans to deploy more aggressively here at home? Or will this penumbra of unaccountable, State-defended violence be enough to intimidate lawmakers — and the rest of us? Remember that Mussolini directed Blackshirts to intimidate Parlimentarians even before Italy was a dictatorship and Hitler used the same tactic in lining the halls of the still-functioning German Parliament with Brownshirts — paramilitary forces that had established a reputation for brutality against civilians. And that was enough to cow lawmakers even as the trappings of democracy were still intact.

Remember that under current arrangements, the Department of Homeland Security can deploy Blackwater in your town tomorrow.

With this kind of messaging about the State’s protection for what is its own paramility force of torturers and murderers, if Blackwater massacres seventeen civilians in Times Square — or turns their guns on protesters at an antiwar rally — in spite of the trappings of democracy, will anyone be brave enough to hold them accountable?’

It is clear yet that violent retribution, torture or maybe worse, seems to go right up this chain of command? Is it clear yet that these people are capable of anything? Is it obvious yet that criminals are at the helm of the nation and need to be not only ousted but held accountable for their crimes?

Is it treason yet?

This is an open invitation to honorable patriots on the Right and in the center to join this movement to restore the rule of law and confront this horror: this is not conservatism, it is a series of crimes against the nation and against the very essence of America. Join us, we need you. This movement must transcend partisan lines. The power of individual conscience is profound when people start to wake up. TK Comey said No; history will look at this torture and disgrace the torturers. A judge today ruled that the US can’t just ship prisoners out of Guantanamo to be tortured at will — she said No. The Center for Constitutional Rights is about to file a civil lawsuit — against Blackwater: they are saying No.

In Germany, according to historian Richard Evans, in 1931-1932, if enough Germans of conscience had begun to say No — history would have had an entirely different outcome. If we go any further down this road the tears will be those of conservatives as well as progressives. They will be American tears.

The time for weeping has to stop; the time for confronting must begin.
From here.
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Could we as citizens legally overthrow the government and not be imprisoned? Could we use the Declaration of Independence as evidence in court? Then again with Habeas Corpus gone I guess we wouldn't even be able to


"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."- The Declaration of Independence



I'm sure the founders are rolling in their graves...
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Someone else says that his friend opened his luggage to find a letter from the TSA saying that they did not appreciate his reading material.
Holy crap. That has to violate a law, surely?
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Originally Posted by Van Jones
Holy crap. That has to violate a law, surely?
What, like a privacy law?

The same kind of law that has become all but non-existent under this administration?
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What kind of freaks me out about this piece is that I've always been pretty paranoid about the kinds of fears people are expressing to her, but people have always told me I'm just paranoid. Now, it feels like my paranoiac fears are finally scarily relevant.
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Yes, Bush is Hitler and Blackwater is his stormtroopers. Speak out against the American Fuhrer and get shot in the head. Herr Bush is rounding up protesters by the hundreds and imprisoning them in "reeducation camps." Newspapers and other media critical of the regime have been shut down and nationalized to prevent the spewing of malicious lies against the Fatherland and its Supreme Leader.

There is a little truth, I'm sure, to what Naomi Wolf is saying (torture, or whatever the Administration calls it, is happening and is wrong and there are some abuses with the No-Fly List). But this article is a compilation of conspiracies built out of paranoia, one-line anecdotes, and malicious innuendo that the US is targeting and murdering its own citizens who criticize (or even possibly think they might someday criticize) the war in Iraq. There are thousands, if not millions, of people around this country who openly criticize Bush and his Administration online, in print, and on radio and tv every day. Go check out the forums on the Democratic Underground or Daily Kos, for example. Or read the editorials in major newspapers on any given day. These people are all walking free without government surveillance or a government-issued Blackwater bullet with their name on it. There are legitimate injustices out there to fight against. Articles like this that sew the seeds of unwarranted fear and paranoia of American Fascism don't help.
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In certain circusmtances, the comparison point to Hitler's Germany is quite aqccurate as Andrew Sullivan pointed out in the Sunday Times.

And I never thought I would ever write those words.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle2602564.ece
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I'm somewhat in agreement with what jv said...while the current political/cultural climate is definitely both intimidating and shitty, it doesn't make sense for we lefties to decry the rampant, hyperbolic fearmongering employed by the neo-conservatives and then fan the flames of our own version of the same behavior whenever it feels fit.

I've been following Wolf's posts on FDL and DKos (only loosely, it's more of a "okay, going to my daily reads, oh hey look another post by Naomi Wolf" thing), and while I appreciate her interest in bringing these issues to the forefront, they sometimes come off as the oppressive police-state fever dream of a 9/11 truther, which doesn't exactly smack of rationale. Or sanity.

These incidents definitely need to be called onto the carpet and decried, and I totally agree that complacency on the part of the American public is to blame for the current situation, but it's counterproductive (for those of us who want to watch this bullshit go down in history as something that we were able to defeat) to let these things overpower our every move and thought. I've been to several demonstrations and it's almost fucking impossible to take a step without bumping into a cop with a camera, but I'm not going to let that stop me from attending such events.
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Wake me when Bush declares himself President for life. Until then, I'm not worried. This too shall pass.
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If you ask a German who was alive during the Holocaust, he or she will often say, "We had no idea what was happening." I think comparing our time in America under Bush to the Holocaust is odious and extreme, but there are watch lists, they are spying on US citizens, there are black CIA prisons, there is Guantanamo, they are hiding their correspondences and misdeeds, etc., etc. On a totally micro level, my stupid MySpace blog gets like 2 hits a day, and both are probably spambots. I posted about Blackwater, and suddenly I'm getting 300-400 hits. wtf? It freaked me out enough to remove the post, because MySpace is owned by Murdoch.

Harry beanbag says: "These incidents definitely need to be called onto the carpet and decried, and I totally agree that complacency on the part of the American public is to blame for the current situation,"

Who is going to call them onto the carpet and decry them?
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Originally Posted by yt
Harry beanbag says: "These incidents definitely need to be called onto the carpet and decried, and I totally agree that complacency on the part of the American public is to blame for the current situation,"

Who is going to call them onto the carpet and decry them?
Hopefully those of us who don't smell like mildew/think that going after 12 year-old kids over policy is 'fair game'/spend our time fiddling ourselves while reading Malkin or Freerepublic.

Right before we get black-bagged, I mean.
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car
Yes, Bush is Hitler and Blackwater is his stormtroopers. Speak out against the American Fuhrer and get shot in the head. Herr Bush is rounding up protesters by the hundreds and imprisoning them in "reeducation camps." Newspapers and other media critical of the regime have been shut down and nationalized to prevent the spewing of malicious lies against the Fatherland and its Supreme Leader.
I can understand what you're saying, JV, and exaggeration is indeed an issue. But consider it from a purely abstract point of view. Suppose some leader--not Bush, just some hypothetical guy--did in fact start to sneak in laws and procedures that began to transform America into a fascist state. At what point can you stand up and say, "Hey, we're sliding towards fascism?" It seems like, no matter what, saying this is going to get you beaten down and criticized as an exaggerator--and the more so if there is some truth to it, because it'll be a handy defense on the part of those who are actually enabling the fascism. Yet fascism and tyranny exist. How do you decry them from within?

While it's important not to cry wolf, this administration has really stepped over the line on numerous occasions, especially in regards to Guantanamo, illegal renditions, and wiretapping...and there's definitely been some repression of journalists in Iraq. But of course we're not going to see goosestepping and swastikas. That's the problem. The next fascist tyranny won't announce itself by ideologically identifying itself with any of the pre-existing ones. Maybe it won't even be "fascist" per se. We tend to look back on people in 1930s Germany, or soviet Russia, and say, "Geez, those fools, why didn't they notice what was happening?" But the indicators that we see in hindsight weren't symbolically charged back then. It could be that our descendants will look back at us and say, "Those idiots, they had corporations controlling their media, the government was imprisoning people right and left, religious extremists had control of the government, votes were being tampered with...why didn't they do something?"

There's always something to distract you, or cause you to make excuses. In our case, it's terror, and the hope that the next guy will fix everything. Maybe he (or she) will. But maybe not. The U.S. has had two thrown elections in a row--what happens if the next one goes the same way?

And while you may argue that Bush hasn't declared himself God-Emperor, the fact of the matter is that many of the same people have been in power since the 80s, with the Clinton years being the only interruption. If there's one thing Bush, Cheney, and the gang have been smart enough not to do, it's not to give cartoonish signifiers of their evil. They've done horrible shit, but they've allowed people their bread and circuses, and they know that doing away with the fundamental democratic processes would cause people to turn on them. So they've found a way to game the system. Cheney, Rumsfeld, and co. doesn't need to stay in power as long as their corporate masters have things set up the way they want it. As long as the Republican party stays in power, that's what they get--and at this point, it's likely that the Democratic party isn't going to mess up that arrangement, either. It's enough to prevent people from making the obvious connection to tyranny, but it's still pretty fucking terrifying.
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I guess I just trust the system and the good men and women who hold significant power in that system to prevent any kind of radical change in our government. Our country was hurt by slavery, the Civil War, the Sedition Act, the internment of Americans of Japanese descent, the attempted packing of the Supreme Court, segregation, racism, Watergate, and scores of other atrocities, embarrassments and crises. But we survived as a nation and learned from it. We'll do the same after Bush leaves office. We have a healthy amount of dissent in this country because (1) it's Constitutionally guaranteed, (2) we've learned by sad experience that it is necessary and healthy for our country, and (3) with all the methods of communication we have, we couldn't stop it even if we wanted to. As a result, if the crap ever really hits the fan, I trust that we won't have the proverbial "good men (and women) who sit by and do nothing." Maybe my faith in our citizens and the majority of our leaders is misplaced.

On a related note, I have just as little patience with those on the right who think every proposal to raise government spending means we are in the middle of a bloodless coup by the Bolsheviks.
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I guess I just trust the system and the good men and women who hold significant power in that system to prevent any kind of radical change in our government. Our country was hurt by slavery, the Civil War, the Sedition Act, the internment of Americans of Japanese descent, the attempted packing of the Supreme Court, segregation, racism, Watergate, and scores of other atrocities, embarrassments and crises. But we survived as a nation and learned from it. We'll do the same after Bush leaves office. We have a healthy amount of dissent in this country because (1) it's Constitutionally guaranteed, (2) we've learned by sad experience that it is necessary and healthy for our country, and (3) with all the methods of communication we have, we couldn't stop it even if we wanted to. As a result, if the crap ever really hits the fan, I trust that we won't have the proverbial "good men (and women) who sit by and do nothing." Maybe my faith in our citizens and the majority of our leaders is misplaced.

On a related note, I have just as little patience with those on the right who think every proposal to raise government spending means we are in the middle of a bloodless coup by the Bolsheviks.
You sound like Rowdy Roddy Piper in They Live, just before he found out the world was controlled by evil, oppresive aliens.
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Originally Posted by Cow Puncher
You sound like Rowdy Roddy Piper in They Live, just before he found out the world was controlled by evil, oppresive aliens.
** runs off to grab shades **
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There's nothing more un-American than trusting politicians.

Now, JVC, I'm not saying you're a terrorist. Just that your basic character would make the Founding Father's cry. Especially Madison, that weepy little bitch.
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I strongly reccomend listening to this week's Background Briefing podcast. There's an interview with Robert Young Pelton, who has written a book on Blackwater and its founder (a billionaire who gives huge donations to insane Christianist groups like Family Research Council and Robert Dobson). There's some scary-ass shit going on.
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This story or blog post or whatever you want to call it made my skin crawl.Maybe I've played to many games like Deus Ex or read to many books like 1984, but this shit is starting to seem real.I really hope the USA doesn't turn into the next Nazi Germany because Canada is going to be Poland and I speak my mind enough and look just jewish enough for it to matter.

I've always seen the US as a country with lots corrupt politicians and citizens just angry enough with enough guns to keep the republicans and democrats from getting Emperor palpatine powerful.After reading YT's thread (at least I think it was his) about black water "guarding" peoples home in New Orleans and this kind of stuff, it's starting to freak me out and I don't even travel to the US.If the next asshole you elect pulls the same shit you really have to over thow his ass, please!
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