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Originally Posted by yt
I haven't seen Energy War but will put it on my list. Have you seen The 11th Hour? It names names. It's not fluff. It's a very serious dissection of the problems of global warming, pollution, deforestation, overfishing, etc., etc. And has on-camera thinkers and designers talking about how to fix it. The pieces are all waiting to be picked up. The SOLE roadblock, as you know, is the political might of The Corporations (oh no she didn't!).

And Martin Savage, you're completely right about starting at home. Every single one of us needs to do the same thing.

Let me just clarify: I don't consider Gore Christ-like. But what we're seeing is fear and spinelessness from elected leaders who are afraid for their political futures. We need someone who doesn't give two sh*ts about his political future but wants to roll up his sleeves and do the unpleasant and unpopular work of putting Big Industry on notice. Feinberg isn't running for office. Kucinich doesn't stand a chance. And I don't see any one of the "leading" candidates (with the possible exception of Edwards) being even remotely interested in rocking the boat.

Gore has nothing to lose. That's why I believe he is The One!
No I haven't seen The 11th Hour? I only seen a couple of segments. An Inconvenient Truth and The 11th Hour are just really preaching to the quire. The energy war is putting the problem in a realm and agenda that those who apposed or are apathetic to global warming can understand and get behind. This why I feel it is a better vehicle.

I love your passion YT, and I don't disagree with your a objectives. I just don't think that people like you and al gore are looking at the problem in it full scope. Cutting emission I do not think are going to help, because emission are not really the problem. Emission are only a symptom of the true problem. Which is poverty and a reliance of a energy source which is too expansive for 2/3 of the people on the planet to use at all, and pollutes the environmental. It only going to get worse. Right now only about 1/10 of the people on the planet can afford to use as much oil as they need, and they are just using to much of it as it is.

Some time when you have a problem you have to stop, back up, and attack it from new direction.
post #102 of 103
Eenin, if I understand your argument correctly, you're saying that ending poverty will end carbon emissions and pollution because rich people don't pollute. That's what you said in the other thread. Have I misunderstood? Because if that is what you're saying, I don't see the basis for that argument at all. The two biggest carbon-emitting nations are the US, which obviously is one of the richest nations on Earth, and China, whose economy is, obviously, a freight train. This kind of smacks of the "free market will solve all our problems somehow" magical thinking that's become far too common.
post #103 of 103
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Originally Posted by The Prankster
Eenin, if I understand your argument correctly, you're saying that ending poverty will end carbon emissions and pollution because rich people don't pollute. That's what you said in the other thread. Have I misunderstood? Because if that is what you're saying, I don't see the basis for that argument at all. The two biggest carbon-emitting nations are the US, which obviously is one of the richest nations on Earth, and China, whose economy is, obviously, a freight train. This kind of smacks of the "free market will solve all our problems somehow" magical thinking that's become far too common.
Not quit what I am saying. Oil itself is the problem. We need a better source of energy, but poverty is a big factor. Poverty is a problem, because you can't tell someone who is living at or just above the starvation level sorry we must make it harder for you to get food, because many years down the road it will be bad for the environment. Those people have no reason to care about tomorrow, when they may stave today. Also poverty and energy are linked. We live on a energy based economy the more energy cost the more poverty there is , and the more extreme the poverty will be. In stead of trying to put so many resources in to lowering emission we need to put all our resources into developing a new cheaper, cleaner, renewable , and more abounded source of energy. With a really big push say on the scale of the Apollo project we could get solar and energy storage system to be technologically read to be that energy solution. I don't know if you have ever watch DR Smalley's lecture "Our Energy Challenge". If not you should some time it about an hour long.


Here is the link for it.

http://smalley.rice.edu/smalley.cfm?doc_id=4863
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