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post #51 of 83
10/18/07 at 4:59pm
I was hoping Rocky Balboa would explain the fate of Paulie's robot...I was disappointed. But yeah, this movie is comedy cold. The James Brown scene is so cheesily 80's, you can't help but be fascinated by it. This came out before my time, but it mystifies me that there was a time when the James Brown scene was thought of as "cool." Drago's and my reaction are identical when absorbing the situation.

On a side note, is one of the reporters at the press conference Mr. Belding? He's the one who laughs after Paulie mentions the "unsilent majority."
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post #52 of 83
10/18/07 at 10:49pm
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Originally Posted by Mattioli
Psst, duke fleed isn't real. He's a troll, so, unless you enjoy his antics, you should pretty much ignore everything he posts.
Preferably by putting him on your ignore list. He's been on mine for a couple of weeks now. I like to think that he and Swedish Miyagi are fighting to the death in there. But they're probably making out.
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post #53 of 83
10/18/07 at 10:52pm
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Originally Posted by Kevin K
As for the movie's political point of view, clearly you must have turned off the movie before Rocky's rousing speech, where he apologizes to the Russian crowd for hating them so much, and basically singlehandedly ends the Cold War with one awkward monologue. It's about making peace with the Russians, in the end.
Yes, and that three minutes totally makes up for the previous two hours of painting them as sadistic, evil, mindless drones who care only about destroying all that America stands for. That speech should play back to back with Seagal's from On Deadly Ground. Oh, the sincerity.
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post #54 of 83
10/18/07 at 10:56pm
There's little point getting worked up over the politics of such a cartoonish movie. Not much danger anyone will mistake it for reality.

Anyway, it's the Swedes who get the worst of it.
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post #55 of 83
10/18/07 at 11:00pm
Destroying all that America stands for? By winning a boxing match? I think you're reading into it just a tiny bit too much.
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post #56 of 83
10/18/07 at 11:03pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David
Yes, and that three minutes totally makes up for the previous two hours of painting them as sadistic, evil, mindless drones who care only about destroying all that America stands for. That speech should play back to back with Seagal's from On Deadly Ground. Oh, the sincerity.
Well the Russian leaders did clap, what more do you want Greg? Rocky to go stand in bread-lines to make up for Reagan being a dick? J/K Greg
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post #57 of 83
10/18/07 at 11:33pm
Harry Bean Bag, F_ _ _ _ _ _ is neither my real middle name or my nick name.

Mattioli, I am not a troll, it's just that people don't like what I do.

Greg David, For someone that's ignoring me you sure come up with some zingers. Fight to the death? I only do that on my videogame systems. Swedish Miyagi and I have never made out.
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post #58 of 83
10/19/07 at 1:05am
Fleeds identity is revealed by his post count.
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post #59 of 83
10/19/07 at 2:41am
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Originally Posted by harrybeanbag
Finally. I was reading the Training Montage thread and kept thinking that I was slowly going insane. Rocky IV is just a terrible film for all the reasons mentioned and then some.

I mean, duke fucking fleed likes it. Isn't that evidence enough of its staggering mediocrity?
I think we need to separate the training montages and the movies. Rocky 4 was a pretty bad movie but had the best training montages of all the movies except for maybe 6. As someone up thread pointed out, not many folks like this movie at face value. It's all about how over the top and cartoonish the movie is. Also, am I the only one who finds the Fleed's posts charming? There's such an innocence there. How'd he get so many red boxes?
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post #60 of 83
10/19/07 at 4:08am
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The training montages suck, too. They're just as corny, over-the-top and cartoonish as everything else in the movie.
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post #61 of 83
10/19/07 at 6:29am
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Originally Posted by Greg David
The training montages suck, too. They're just as corny, over-the-top and cartoonish as everything else in the movie.
Just admit it. You hate America. Go back to France!
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post #62 of 83
10/19/07 at 7:47am
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Originally Posted by Greg David
The training montages suck, too. They're just as corny, over-the-top and cartoonish as everything else in the movie.
I just don't get what's so bad about these three adjectives. Surely, there can be a right context for such things? I don't expect much seriousness from a film that ends in "IV". In theory, yes, you could make a serious, well-thought out fourth film in a franchise, but when has that ever happened? At least Rocky IV has the good grace to be an entertaining (subjective, I know) cartoon. We didn't get that from Halloween IV: The Return of Michael Myers (formulaic), The Phantom Menace (long stretches of dull) or Meatballs 4 (what?). I'm not counting Goblet of Fire because that was planned out way ahead.

Rocky's story had pretty much come full circle at the end of part 1. He was a regular Joe who went the distance. No sequels needed. Anything beyond that would just be a grab for cash. For me, part 4 just grabs the cash in the most entertaining way.
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post #63 of 83
10/19/07 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by Greg David
The training montages suck, too. They're just as corny, over-the-top and cartoonish as everything else in the movie.
It's official, Greg David has no soul. That and he must have been raped by a Casio Keyboard in the 80's. How can you possibly not love the training montages in 4? That's like not liking sex.
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post #64 of 83
10/19/07 at 11:02am
These recent Rocky threads inspired me to watch Rocky II, which was conveniently loaded on the memory stick of my PSP (Parenthetical #1: I love you, PSP!) (Parenthetical #2: I loved the looks I got from the kids on the Tokyo subway today. "Hey, that gaijin has a neat gadget! WTF?").

You know what stood out for me this time? The absolute brilliance of Conti's score. It starts out '70s-funky, then goes all high-Rocky classical during the montage, then seamlessly blends into the tune on his baby's new mobile, then brings in the Wagnerian sensibility during the climactic bout. It is absolutely brilliant, and it makes me want to buy the soundtrack. As long as they leave out Frank Stallone (Granted, he's half of my namesake, but a guy's gotta draw the line between fun interweb handle and real-life purchasing decisions!).
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post #65 of 83
10/19/07 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by Luca S.
I just don't get what's so bad about these three adjectives. Surely, there can be a right context for such things?
Yes, there is. An episode of Animaniacs. Not a Rocky movie.
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post #66 of 83
10/19/07 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks
It's official, Greg David has no soul. That and he must have been raped by a Casio Keyboard in the 80's. How can you possibly not love the training montages in 4? That's like not liking sex.
Well, it's more like not liking rape.
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post #67 of 83
10/19/07 at 7:37pm
Even as someone who enjoys Rocky IV as a guilty pleasure, I don't have a single problem admitting how absurd and misguided it really is. And I think it's the second worst Rocky film of the series. Still, I like watching it once a year or so - just for the hell of it. But HOLY SHIT - this is not good enough of a film to warrant such a full-blown analysis. Which is why I'm starting to wonder if Greg David is in the closet about how he truly feels about this movie.
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post #68 of 83
10/19/07 at 7:54pm
I believe this thread is the last piece to the puzzle of Greg's plot to claim the title of the board's supreme cranky old guy. It is yours my liege. Please keep the lawn looking its proper shade of Singer green at all times.
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post #69 of 83
10/19/07 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks
It's official, Greg David has no soul. That and he must have been raped by a Casio Keyboard in the 80's. How can you possibly not love the training montages in 4? That's like not liking sex.
I'll concede on liking the training montages, but I only like them because they're the only part of the movie that doesn't make me want to claw my eyes out in shame.
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post #70 of 83
10/19/07 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by harrybeanbag
I'll concede on liking the training montages, but I only like them because they're the only part of the movie that doesn't make me want to claw my eyes out in shame.
Somewhere, Paulie's robot is shedding a single tear.
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post #71 of 83
10/19/07 at 8:40pm
You're taking your Rocky movies far too seriously if you can't at least get a laugh out of part IV. This Moment always cracks me up:

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post #72 of 83
10/19/07 at 8:46pm
I could never watch past the first part of IV as a kid because I got too upset when Apollo died.

But this thread has inspired me to confront my demons and make this film my next rental. YOUR SCHEME HAS FAILED, GREG DAVID. The defenders make it sound like ludicrious Marvel superhero comics translated directly to the screen, only with boxing instead of optic laser beams. Maybe if they'd got Stallone to direct the X-MEN movies they'd have been good.

Wait... did I just type that?
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post #73 of 83
10/19/07 at 9:03pm
Yes, there are people around these parts that are taking films and message boards way too seriously.

I don't see one thing to dislike about Rocky IV.
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post #74 of 83
10/19/07 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by Andrew Collins
I don't see one thing to dislike about Rocky IV.
Neither do I, I see several.
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post #75 of 83
10/19/07 at 9:34pm
That's a good one
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post #76 of 83
10/20/07 at 5:46am
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Originally Posted by wadew1
You're taking your Rocky movies far too seriously
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post #77 of 83
10/20/07 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by Andrew Collins
Yes, there are people around these parts that are taking films and message boards way too seriously.
I always love this defense. I love the idea that if you can't enjoy a completely incompetent, poorly-made movie, then you're taking movies too seriously.

And by the way, I am a big fan of Flash Gordon. I mention this in order to point out that I can handle silly if it's done well, and has a sense of humor about its silliness. The problem with Rocky IV is that it doesn't know how damn silly it is. It thinks it's important. I just don't enjoy laughing at a movie, and that's the only way I can imagine enjoying this one. I am not a bad cinema enthusiast. I get no pleasure from Ed Wood, Uwe Boll, or Steven Seagal for that matter. Bad movies are not fun.
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post #78 of 83
10/20/07 at 2:45pm
I like to think of Rocky IV as the Jaws 3, People 0 of the series. That is, if Jaws 3, People 0 had actually been made and Sly had actually realized he was making a spoof.
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post #79 of 83
10/20/07 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by wadew1
You're taking your Rocky movies far too seriously if you can't at least get a laugh out of part IV. This Moment always cracks me up:
I wish I knew how to get my version from the MS Paint game thread to do the convulsions.

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post #80 of 83
10/20/07 at 6:57pm
Animated convulsions would ruin the 'stomped into the canvas' look of your pic.
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post #81 of 83
10/20/07 at 7:03pm
I love how after panic breaks out in the ring Rocky keeps yelling for a doctor. Then they cut to some doctor talking to the media. "Creed appears to be seriously injured." No shit doc, how 'bout you excuse yourself from the camera crews and stroll over to the dead guy. If for nothing else then just for the sake of keeping up appearances.
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post #82 of 83
10/21/07 at 9:04am
The Soviets apparently wanted to commemorate their victory over capitalism by painting the shape of the fallen Apollo into the ring.

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Originally Posted by Greg David
And by the way, I am a big fan of Flash Gordon. I mention this in order to point out that I can handle silly if it's done well, and has a sense of humor about its silliness. The problem with Rocky IV is that it doesn't know how damn silly it is. It thinks it's important. I just don't enjoy laughing at a movie, and that's the only way I can imagine enjoying this one. I am not a bad cinema enthusiast. I get no pleasure from Ed Wood, Uwe Boll, or Steven Seagal for that matter. Bad movies are not fun.
Aha! Now we reach the heart of the matter. Well then, agree to disagree, sir.
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post #83 of 83
10/30/07 at 12:15am
I've seen all the Rocky flicks move times than I can count, except this one and Rocky 5.

Both have been seen just once and only once.

My favorites are Rocky, Rocky III, Balboa, II.
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