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Yet another reason to hate TSA Screeners

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Seriously... this pisses me off. How much crap have we been made to endure at the airports since 9-11 and they still can't get it right?!? Is it unreasonable to expect the TSA to catch ALL bombs before they're put on planes? You tell me... I guess all the hype about "protecting the homeland" was bull. I think its simple luck that we haven't been hit these past six years. I also think the ridiculous trials we're made to go through before getting on a plane are simply meant to give us the illusion of protection. Am I wrong? Give me something to keep hope alive.


LAX screeners sweat the small stuff, miss the 'bombs'

Reports of failed TSA drills upset shoeless passengers waiting in long security lines. By Ari B. Bloomekatz and Molly Hennessy-Fiske, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
October 19, 2007

Passengers at Los Angeles International Airport are used to the hassles that come with heightened security: long lines, removing shoes and belts and leaving liquids behind.

But they learned Thursday that despite all these precautions, security screeners missed 75% of fake bombs and explosives that passed through the airport during undercover terrorism drills.

Citing a classified memo, USA Today reported that Chicago's O'Hare International Airport fared slightly better than LAX, failing to detect about 60% of the simulated bombs, and San Francisco International missed 20%.

"They almost undress you in there, and they can't get their stuff straight," said Huntington Park resident Maria Gonzales, 32, as she prepared to catch a flight Thursday morning from LAX to Las Vegas.

Transportation Security Administration officials would not confirm or deny details of the newspaper report. But they defended the screeners, saying the tests were conducted two years ago and were designed to trip up security personnel.

Whenever the pass rate gets too high, TSA reconfigures the exams to make them more difficult, using different devices, said agency spokesman Nico Melendez.

"People have the misconception that these are like sticks of dynamite," he said of the simulated detonators. "These are more like caps on a pen . . . a piece of metal with a wire in it.

"It takes real skill to look and find that," Melendez said. "This is an extreme effort on our part to keep our people up to date on the threats and how to thwart those threats."

The TSA conducts 20,000 tests a week nationwide, meaning each of its 43,000 employees, including 2,000 at LAX, gets tested about every two weeks, Melendez said.

Based on the LAX test results from two years ago, Melendez said the amount of training screeners receive increased from three to four hours a week, with a special focus on detecting improvised explosive devices.

He said screeners who consistently perform poorly are removed and placed in remedial training until their scores improve.

If they attend multiple training sessions, he said, it goes on their record and is considered at their annual recertification.

Airport officials said privately that they were not alarmed by the newspaper report.

"We understand how the TSA's aggressive and increasingly difficult testing program identifies vulnerable areas and results in a safer aviation system," said one official.

But that didn't provide much comfort to travelers.

"You would expect LAX, given the amount of flights that come through here, would be more spot on," said Daren Doss, 39, an architect from Seattle waiting at the airport Thursday with his wife and infant daughter.

Doss said they were visiting his parents in Pacific Palisades and missed a morning flight because of long security lines, even though he noticed extra TSA screeners standing nearby, laughing and joking.

"There could have been more stations set up," he said. "They didn't seem to take their job too seriously."

Carla Brown, 37, called the report "scary."

"It means anybody can walk in with an explosive device in their bag," said Brown, who was on her way to Charleston, W.Va., with her family.

"It's nerve-racking when you fly anyway, especially since 9/11," she said. "I'm sure it gets boring all day long, but they have to stay on top of it."

Dave Stone, the former federal security director at LAX and one-time head of the TSA, said the airport is particularly vulnerable because of its size.

In addition to passengers, screeners check more than 150,000 pieces of baggage each day, by far the most in the nation.

"The testing program should be designed to break the system," Stone said. "I spent a lot of time trying to have testing scenarios that exploit the vulnerability and gaps that we had at the passenger checkpoint. So therefore you would have failure rates that were relatively high."

Stone said there are at least three steps authorities could continue to take to improve those numbers: purchase more advanced screening equipment, fund the proper number of screeners at each airport and ensure that screeners who consistently fail covert tests are removed.

But Jack Keady, a Playa del Rey-based aviation consultant, said airport security officials may be on the wrong track when it comes to catching terrorists.

"If you make anything innocuous-looking enough, you can usually get by," Keady said. "Because the only screening method they have is looking through the TV screen."

Keady said random searches may be one of the best ways to catch terrorists.

Currently, a designation of a passenger as "4S" means they are subject to a random search. He suggested random secondary checks at boarding gates before takeoff.

ari.bloomekatz@latimes.com

molly.hennessy-fiske@ latimes.com
post #2 of 12
By "random searches" he means searching middle-eastern looking people.
post #3 of 12
Does he? Because all the searches seem pretty random to me. Most of the time I see people doing extra checks on the elderly and very young children.
post #4 of 12
Hey, have you seen kids these days? Fucking little hellions, always ready to start some shit!
post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 
I have the worst luck flying... those "random" searches don't feel so random when they happen all the time. :-P Maybe my name is on the terriorst watch list.
post #6 of 12
A couple of months ago, I flew cross country.

I check in. Get my boarding pass. Go through security. Arrive at the gate. Board the plane. Take my seat.

A few minutes later, a small Korean woman shows up, and says, "I have the same seat."

We look at her boarding pass. Yep, she has the same seat assignment as I do.

There's an empty seat next to me. She sits in it, not wanting to make any trouble for anyone or attract attention.

A couple of minutes later, the guy with that seat assignment shows up. So now we have to call one of the attendants, because, apparently, we have two seats and three people.

On further investigation, it turns out that this small Korean woman doesn't just have the same seat assignment as I do.

HER BOARDING PASS HAS MY NAME ON IT.

She was issued, by the airline, my boarding pass. My name, my everything, is printed right on the front of it.

And yet, she manages to get all the way through the TSA's air tight security check and onto the airplane before somebody notices. Somebody being ME, who is not a transportation professional.

Let me repeat that. This small Korean woman gets through the security screening not only without a valid boarding pass but with a boarding pass displaying somebody else's name, a name for which she carries no identification.

So it doesn't surprise me at all if TSA screeners are either unable to identify dangerous devices or cannot work the equipment that will identify it for them, if in fact they are not even able to fucking READ.

Have a safe flight.
post #7 of 12
Time to play Get-To-Know-Your-Nearest-Amtrak-Station.
post #8 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cervaise
Let me repeat that. This small Korean woman gets through the security screening not only without a valid boarding pass but with a boarding pass displaying somebody else's name.
I, for one, know plenty of small Korean women named Gunther Lowenstein.
post #9 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ratty
Time to play Get-To-Know-Your-Nearest-Amtrak-Station.
Amtrak's security is, well, nonexistent.

My wife and I went to Seattle last year - train out, flight back. We show up about 45-60 min early for the train, under the mistaken impression that you do something other than show up and hop on. We get on the train, and while the porter is taking us to our cabin (or whatever they call them), I'm like "no search? You mean I could've brought a case of beer on with me and you wouldn't have cared?" He pretty much said "handle your booze and we got no issues with it." (later, when relating this, a person told me that lots of drug deals apparently go down on trains, but that's another matter)

Anyway, contrast that with the flight back - this was after the whole "no liquids in carry-ons" deal, which I was aware of - what I thought of it doesn't matter. Anyway, I like to carry a liter of water on with me; no biggie, I just threw the empty bottle in my carry-on and head on my merry way. Going through security, my bag gets flagged and the NSA screener turns to me with a snotty "is water a liquid?"; my natural smart-ass nature wants to answer "is air a gas?" but wisely is held in check. I have a hunch a full-body cavity search would've been in my near future if I'd spoken up.
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
OMG That has to be one of the purest examples that our "safty" is nothing but an illusion. That is simply amazing... basically what we're saying is that you can get on a plane in America under a false identity and with your smuggled bomb parts. But do not, for one instant, think you're gonna get anywhere with that bottle of Aquafina!!! That shit is dangerous.

This is one mixed up country.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Cervaise
A couple of months ago, I flew cross country.

I check in. Get my boarding pass. Go through security. Arrive at the gate. Board the plane. Take my seat.

A few minutes later, a small Korean woman shows up, and says, "I have the same seat."

We look at her boarding pass. Yep, she has the same seat assignment as I do.

There's an empty seat next to me. She sits in it, not wanting to make any trouble for anyone or attract attention.

A couple of minutes later, the guy with that seat assignment shows up. So now we have to call one of the attendants, because, apparently, we have two seats and three people.

On further investigation, it turns out that this small Korean woman doesn't just have the same seat assignment as I do.

HER BOARDING PASS HAS MY NAME ON IT.

She was issued, by the airline, my boarding pass. My name, my everything, is printed right on the front of it.

And yet, she manages to get all the way through the TSA's air tight security check and onto the airplane before somebody notices. Somebody being ME, who is not a transportation professional.

Let me repeat that. This small Korean woman gets through the security screening not only without a valid boarding pass but with a boarding pass displaying somebody else's name, a name for which she carries no identification.

So it doesn't surprise me at all if TSA screeners are either unable to identify dangerous devices or cannot work the equipment that will identify it for them, if in fact they are not even able to fucking READ.

Have a safe flight.
post #11 of 12
I flew to Europe and on the way back I had a chinesse star key chain which they took away saying it was sharp and I could stab someone. Even though I've taken it on like 5 flights. Anyway here's the kicker when they passed out the food THEY PASSED OUT METAL FOLKS AND KNIVES!!! I could kill at least 5 people with that before anyone could move.


On top of it all we are allowed to bring lighters onboard! HELLOOOOO I could set a magazine on fire and throw it into the middle of the plane OR I could light the seat on fire. FUCK! This security is bullshit! Anyone who want's to do something will find a way they haven't thought of.
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
Couldn't agree with you more...

Their saftely measures are as illogical as our commander and chief.
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