Making love?

Okay then.

I can see why someone would be uncomfortable with the term, but "creeped out"? That's an odd reaction.

creeped out?

oh by the way

Yeah, but when Foghat sings it, you know they only say "make love" because "fuck" wouldn't have gotten any airplay.


(yeah, I know the song goes back way before Lonesome Dave and the boys got hold of it, but name-checking Foghat is never the wrong move)

You are weird.

You really should have been more disgusted with the fact that the dude entertained the question. Kissing and telling is a pretty fucked up thing to do and it shows the guy had absolutely no respect for the girl and had an unhealthy need for validation from his peers. What is done in private should remain an issue of privacy between you and the other person.

I keep telling them that but they always want to bring charges against me.

Now that's creepy.

Welcome to 2007, buddy.

Big diff between fucking and making love. And yeah that whole thing about guys in the locker room talking about their conquests? Total myth. Actually guys talking in a locker room at all is a myth. Women on the other hand......

That's what's so fucked up about Cuchulain's post. He actually seems to believe that women don't do this.

No, I'm quite aware that women do this. It just strikes me as a terribly tacky thing to do regardless of your gender.

If we were talking about a Lifetime movie instead of life, you'd be 100% right.

No. I find it much creepier that you find it creepy.

It would have been creepier if the guy said they were making love out of nothing at all.

So what's the weather like in 1929?

Is it considered "making love" if a safeword is required?

The reason women think guys go on and on about sexcapades is because women are VERY frank about sex and who they had it with with other women around. They just assume we're the same way.

Would the phrase "making whoopie" be more acceptable than "making love"?

Maybe if you're on The Dating Game.

I always thought it was "The Newlywed Game" they said that on...

Yeah, Greg, you're right, showing some sort of discretion about the particulars of your sex if wildly archaic. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to listen to a few records on my phonograph while I smoke a few cigarettes. I hear it's good for the digestion.

Actually, I'm going to take this back somewhat, because it's not archaic; it never existed. What was publicly considered proper and what actually went on were very different things. The difference between now and then isn't that we've become more socially coarse or unethical, it's that the gap between what we do and what we say we do has narrowed. People have always talked about sex. They always will. And by the way, that's a good thing. It's the people who think that sex shouldn't be discussed who end up making the biggest mistakes with it. It's the teenagers who grow up being told that sex shouldn't be talked about who wind up with unwanted children and sexually transmitted diseases.

Sex should be talked about. A lot. With everybody.

It's funny to think that ,at some point, pussy was a topic of conversation during the first meeting of the Continental Congress.

Well, Ben Franklin was not opposed to attending the odd orgy or two while in France.

Those guys were fucking anything that would lie still long enough.

It must have been nice to live back in the day where rape was CLEARLY a result of the woman asking for it.

Things have changed? Fuck, no wonder they seemed hesitant to give me their numbers afterward.

Well, it's fine, just as long as you don't talk to anybody about it afterwards. That would be crass.

I'm not the kinda guy that rapes and tells, I was raised better than that.

Ah, a Kennedy.

It's making love if it's in the vagina.Hand,mouth, or ass is fucking.Well, hand is fucking around.

Wow, you have a very narrow vision of what all women are like. Do you get your info from watching Sex & the City reruns?

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, so I'll treat it as you being serious and I would have to disagree with your assessment. Making love has more to do with the emotional connection one has with their sexual partner, rather than the specific body parts being utilized.

Wait a minute Bionic Assbone, now I'm sure we can all relate to knowing dumbfuck kids, Who somehow snaggle very hot girlfriends. but are you telling me he tricked her into the sack and he didn't even call it fucking? Well no wonder, dude's a total fag dude.

Diva nailed it.

To me, when you use "fuck", chances are you're probably hooking up with someone just for sex - no real emotion involved, just you and a consenting partner having a night o' fun, no commitments afterwards. Nothing wrong with that, if that's how ya roll, great. It's also a term you use with your buddies to keep the description of the encounter light and somewhat humorous - "See the way Sheila's walking? Fucked her brains out last night - so hard she's gotta relearn her basic motor skills." High fives and guffaws follow.

When you use "making love" with your partner, you're raising the stakes a bit - you're investing yourself emotionally into the encounter. You're also telling your partner that you dig on her/him so much that for that person, you're bringing your "A" Game into the mix. That usually means the sex will be better and the encounter will last longer. There'll be cuddling, some intimate conversation afterwards. There will be breakfast. When you use "making love" with your buddies, you're telling them that this person might be the one, the person that may ruin it for anyone else you meet. The one that actually makes you happy. "Aw, man, last night was something. Shiela and I were making love for HOURS - I'm still sore, dude. Yeah, I'm seeing her tonight, and I'm going over her folks house this weekend...".

Also, there's more style and panache when you say you're "making love". Any fool can "fuck". When you say you're going to "make love" to somebody, you're flattering that person - you're telling them that all your focus will be on nothing but that person; all your skills, technique, emotions, and attention will be on your partner; you're also telling your partner they should bring their "A" game as well, and the encounter will be much more special - one for the diary, journal, blog, etc.

Also, think on this - do you "fuck" your sig-o, or do you "make love" to him/her?

Whenever I see this thread the chorus of Bad Company's Feel Like Making Love pops into my head.

Someone who chooses a name like Bionic Assbone probably needs to do a little thinking outside the box when it comes to the English language.

Also... I call it Business Time. And I wear only my socks. That's why they call them business socks.

I'm pretty sure he's just making loved in the head.

I keep hearing Barry White... Awwww, yeah.

[QUOTE=Diva]Wow, you have a very narrow vision of what all women are like. Do you get your info from watching Sex & the City reruns? [I/QUOTE]

I think I have to differ w/ you, here. While I'm sure not all women talk about sex as openly w/ each other as the cast of Sex & the City did, I know for a fact some do, my wife being one of them. She's told me things she's said to her friends about us, and things they've told her about their sex lives. I was astonished by how open they are with each other. By contrast, my guy friends and I never talk about our sex lives. Well, not in the present, anyway. Tales of high school and college conquests past with ex-es we'll probably never see again are still fair game. My wife often asks me what we talked about when I get back from seeing the latest Spiderman film, or a comic convention, or something equally geeky that we do. She seems suspicious when I tell her we talked about movies or comic books or books in general, or the cigars we smoked that night, or whatever. She seems to find it hard to believe we don't spend all our time talking about our wives. BUt we don't. Not that there's anything wrong with women being more open about this stuff; I don't really care. And us guys being more reticent wasn't something we discussed and decided upon. It's just the accepted way of things. We choose, tacitly, to not talk about our wives like that. Maybe Diva and her circle of friends aren't as liberal in their discussions, but again, I know some women are.

This might be a singles vs. marrieds thing, too, though. I knew guys who were very prone to talk about girls they'd slept with and were sleeping with when I was in college and in my early 20s. Now that my friends and I are older and most of us married, there's a lot less of this talk. I don't think it's due to any sort of post-marriage sexual drop-off; it's just that you don't want to hear about what your friend does with his wife, and he probably doesn't want to hear what you do with yours.

Also, if there's sex stuff to be talked about, it makes more sense to do that talking with your husband or wife. In fact, any married guy who talks sex a lot with his friends is probably sending up a red flag that the marriage is probably a bit of a mess, because it probably means he can't talk to her about this stuff.

I'd like to hear Nick Menzo's take on the subject.

If it's in the bedroom, it's fucking. If it's in the Iroc-Z, it's making love.

Two things -

1. ...

2. Know what's creepier than referring to sex as "making love"? Referring to the person who did it by their full name in an anecdote told to complete strangers on the internet years after the fact.

Nah I'm only kidding.

Iggy: Calling me non-liberal is one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time. In any case, I think you have to specify what constitutes "sex" talk. Women often talk about sex as it relates to their relationships, but they certainly aren't gossiping about who they banged and what sexual positions they tried. I would argue most women's sex talk is the kind of stuff you would see in Cosmo as opposed to "I'm so horny. I need some deep dickin' tonight!" kind of talk.

DaveB: I would expand your argument to say singles vs. anyone in a relationship. I have two girlfriends who I can talk about general sex topics with, but once it comes to sex with our respective partners that's off limits as we've all been friends for years now (the guys and girls). I don't want to know what my friends are doing in their bedroom.

Rumteldat: It's generally a good assumption on these boards, but sometimes you just can't tell.

I actually know some girls who talk like that...but they're shallow whores, so that probably explains it. There's a difference between ttalking to your girlfriends and such about how your sex life is and being the only girl in a group of guys talking about how much you like to fuck.

I of course didn't mean "liberal" in the political sense. No offense intended, of course. I guess I should've said something like "free". As to your actual points, yeah I guess I agree that it's mainly a relationship thing, but in the context of the relationship talk, My wife's confessed to me that she's related some pretty gory details. I shudder to think what she's not telling me. And I know her friends have returned the favor. I might have trouble looking some of them in the eye w/o a knowing smile if I knew what she's not tellimg me about THEM.

And I also agree w/ the point DaveB made. I think length/steadiness of the relationship has a lot to do w/ it. When we all get to the point where we're all married and have kids and such, we often hang out as a group of couples. You definitely don't want some of your guy friends, KNOWING the pigs they are BECAUSE they're your friends and you've seen and heard the worst they can offer, to have knowledge of some things about your wife and the mother of your children. But I'll add that marriage seems to add something to it, because in my circle of friends there's one guy who isn't married; he's been sort of "engaged" to this girl for years, but they show no signs of getting married any time soon, and never have as long as I've known them. he spills some info we probably don't need to know about her now and again. And none of the rest of us, all of whom are married and all of whom have kids, ever feel like sharing. At least, not about our wives.