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post #51 of 122
10/23/07 at 7:11pm
Yeah, I can never think of Ironside as a bad guy either since "V" was the first thing I ever saw him in.



Eddie Bo Smith Jr. was pretty good at being bad in the 90s.
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post #52 of 122
10/23/07 at 7:30pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Death Surge
But he was Swann in Barker's "Lord of Illusions" so has actually once played a primary/lead character.
That is true, but that career is over. Sommers has reduced him to skeevy slimeball and that's where he'll stay, dammit!

The rules aren't hard and fast, just general consensus impressions.

EDIT: Nicholas Worth is a great addition. Watching him get shrunk down in Swamp Thing as a metaphor for his internal character is exactly what this thread's about.

EDIT 2: Here's kinda the measuring stick for the thread... This group of actors is truly the Mos Eisley Cantina of Hollywood.

You wouldn't see Darth Vader, Lord of the f**kin Sith, slumming it there, but Snaggletooth? Hells yeah.



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A movie full of dudes who go hand in hand with this thread. Forsythe, Clancy Brown, Tiny Lister, and Gary Cervantes just to name a few.
There ya go. Forsythe has tried to get out of this thread, but it's his destiny. Jonathan Banks, Richard Lynch, and Robert Davi mostly live here as well (even if they're the heavies). They're still only DTV heavies.

Brings up an interesting equation... does A-list henchman = B-list lead villain?
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post #53 of 122
10/23/07 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken


Joe Viterelli
One of my all-time favorite character actors, man I miss this guy.
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post #54 of 122
10/23/07 at 11:37pm
The Rocketeer:

Lothar
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post #55 of 122
10/24/07 at 1:20am
Thread Starter 
I submit the odd trio of Clint Howard, Paul Ben-Victor, and Brian Thompson. Sure, they've all had their chance at playing a main villain, but they'll always be low-life slime-balls to me...

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post #56 of 122
10/24/07 at 1:37am
Paul Ben-Victor is great. Loved him in TRUE ROMANCE. Had a nice stint as a greek gangster on several episodes of "The Wire." Also a pretty good Moe to Michael Chiklis' Curly.

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post #57 of 122
10/24/07 at 1:42am
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Paul Ben-Victor is great. Loved him in TRUE ROMANCE. Had a nice stint as a greek gangster on several episodes of "The Wire." Also a pretty good Moe to Michael Chiklis' Curly.
I found that out lookin at pics on google. He looks more like Shemp, though...
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post #58 of 122
10/24/07 at 1:54am
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Every year I nominate Thomas Rosales Jr. for the Irving G. Thalberg Memorial Award and every year I get the same response. A letter explaining that I have no authority at all when it comes to nominating people for the Irving G. Thalberg Memorial Award.

Don't you worry Thomas Rosales Jr. I'll get 'em to crack sooner or later!
At last, a name to that face!

He's the guy who went all "squish" under a T-Rex, right?

Edit: Paul Ben-Victor, David Proval and Robert Davi. C'mon, they're, like, third-cousins, right? Harry Dean Stanton's somewhere in that family tree, too.
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post #59 of 122
10/24/07 at 2:11am
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BTSMGL
At last, a name to that face!
This thread's subtitle could be "Oh that's what that guy's name is!"
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post #60 of 122
10/24/07 at 2:13am
Yeah, 1997 was a big year for Rosales Jr. Aside from THE LOST WORLD he played "Prisoner" in FACE/OFF, "Cindino Gunman #1" in CON AIR, and "Mexican #1" in L.A. CONFIDENTIAL. That's where he got beat up by both Russell Crowe and Kevin Spacey after telling Crowe to go fuck his own mother.
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post #61 of 122
10/24/07 at 11:24am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Yeah, 1997 was a big year for Rosales Jr. Aside from THE LOST WORLD he played "Prisoner" in FACE/OFF, "Cindino Gunman #1" in CON AIR, and "Mexican #1" in L.A. CONFIDENTIAL. That's where he got beat up by both Russell Crowe and Kevin Spacey after telling Crowe to go fuck his own mother.
A resume any scumbag could be proud of.
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post #62 of 122
10/24/07 at 2:07pm
One of my all-time favorites - David Warner:

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post #63 of 122
10/24/07 at 2:13pm
And this man needs NO introduction.

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post #64 of 122
10/24/07 at 2:20pm
Ladies and gentlemen, James Hong:

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post #65 of 122
10/24/07 at 2:22pm
Rosales Jr. has a small role in Running Scared and is actually really damn good in it. For a stuntman the guy's a really natural onscreen performer, I'm surprised he doesn't try to get any regular acting roles.
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post #66 of 122
10/24/07 at 2:23pm
And Hong's crosstown rival:



Ric Young.
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post #67 of 122
10/24/07 at 2:26pm
Ric Young is actually an even better choice than Hong (who isn't ALWAYS cast as Evil Yellow Peril guy).

Isn't David Warner is too high-profile? He's up there with Joey Pants and The Kurgan.
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post #68 of 122
10/24/07 at 2:29pm
Oddly enough when I finally found Young's name. I rembered if they ever did a live action Cowboy Bebop movie (Which would be a very strange and probably a really crappy movie) that guy would play the head of the Red Dragon Syndicate. Seeing how he looks very similar to the one in the anime.
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post #69 of 122
10/24/07 at 2:57pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormin
Rosales Jr. has a small role in Running Scared and is actually really damn good in it. For a stuntman the guy's a really natural onscreen performer, I'm surprised he doesn't try to get any regular acting roles.
It was nice to see him have a more beefy role in RUNNING SCARED. I'd like to see him at least move into the level of Trejo. Someone who has a certain persona but from time to time gets to flex his chops for a role you wouldn't expect from him.

Couple others I enjoy:

Juan Fernandez



Marco Rodriguez



Not the toughest photo of the guy, but it amused me.
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post #70 of 122
10/24/07 at 3:00pm
That headshot of Marco Rodriguez is an agent's nightmare. "Can we at least photshop the uniform color?"
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post #71 of 122
10/24/07 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Paul Ben-Victor is great. Loved him in TRUE ROMANCE. Had a nice stint as a greek gangster on several episodes of "The Wire." Also a pretty good Moe to Michael Chiklis' Curly.
Is taht Ed Norton as Larry?
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post #72 of 122
10/24/07 at 3:02pm
Looks more like Jim Norton.
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post #73 of 122
10/24/07 at 3:07pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Marco Rodriguez



Not the toughest photo of the guy, but it amused me.
How did he avoid THIS THREAD? Holy crap. That thread could be an indicator of needing to be in this thread...

Think Jeff Foxworthy... You just might qualify for this thread if more than 2 of these is true:

1. You could be a contender in the Acne Stars poll.
2. No one (ie: mainstream audience) can remember your name.
3. If you were a Star Wars villain, you would more likely skulk in Mos Eisley than on the DeathStar (this would elbow out Tim Curry and David Warner methinks). Which may probably mean...
4. You do NOT have a British accent (too classy).
5. You have not been a major villain (boss) or a leading man in a theatrical release. Atleast not in the past decade or 2.
6. You could pass for one of Dick Tracy's Rogues Gallery villains, without makeup.

EDIT: I've rethunk my position in including Trejo. He may just be the King of this thread, despite being A. Too well known, and B. A good-guy too frequently of late.

EDIT: Molt's much more informed than I, but Matthias Hues, Patrick Kilpatrick, and Branscomb Richmond could go either way here. BR has been a good guy in maybe too many flicks to qualify (Renegade, Scorpion King, etc) and none would really qualify as too ugly (Mathias is other-worldly... I COME IN PEACE!). But they have all been typecast as Thugs before.




Even if he was the main villain in Cynthia Rothrock's UNDEFEATABLE, I would sure like skeevy (and mulletted) Don Niam to be on the list.
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post #74 of 122
10/24/07 at 3:39pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BobClark
Is taht Ed Norton as Larry?


No, it's not actually. After checking thru IMDB, Larry was played by Evan Handler. He played one of the writters on Studio 60 and as you can tell also can be a Brian Michael Bendis look-a-like for parties.
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post #75 of 122
10/24/07 at 3:53pm
Is Vinnie Jones too high profile for this thread?
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post #76 of 122
10/24/07 at 3:57pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by englebert
Is Vinnie Jones too high profile for this thread?
He's an alum, but probably a graduate.
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post #77 of 122
10/24/07 at 5:22pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by EdHocken


No, it's not actually. After checking thru IMDB, Larry was played by Evan Handler. He played one of the writters on Studio 60 and as you can tell also can be a Brian Michael Bendis look-a-like for parties.
Handler also plays Duchovny's agent on "Californiacation." One of the few characters on that show I liked.

Speaking of Branscomb Richmond I was watching GRAND CANYON last night, which I hadn't seen in many years, and Richmond pops up as one of the cops who almost blows away Danny Glover's nephew. Plus one of the other dudes I brought up earlier, Gary Cervantes, is the guy who shoots Steve Martin in the leg.

Somewhat off topic, I totally forgot that GRAND CANYON actually ends with the characters visiting Grand Canyon. Subtlety took a vacation that day.
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post #78 of 122
10/24/07 at 6:34pm
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Somewhat off topic, I totally forgot that GRAND CANYON actually ends with the characters visiting Grand Canyon. Subtlety took a vacation that day.
Yeah, I've got zero love for Grand Canyon. It really was the Crash of the early 90's.
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post #79 of 122
10/24/07 at 6:42pm
I like it better than CRASH, mainly because while it's self-important it doesn't take itself quite as seriously as CRASH does.

The funniest scene now may be when a salesman tries to sell life insurance policies to Danny Glover's sister, not if she dies but for her own kids because they're living in the battlefield of the hood.
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post #80 of 122
10/24/07 at 6:45pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moltisanti
The funniest scene now may be when a salesman tries to sell life insurance policies to Danny Glover's sister, not if she dies but for her own kids because they're living in the battlefield of the hood.
Sounds like something out of Verhoeven's Robocop... or UHF.
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post #81 of 122
10/24/07 at 6:58pm
It might as well have been. The salesman pretty much even says something to the effect of "Look lady, these policies are $10 a month. If one of your kids is smoked you won't make a fortune but it'll pay out enough to bury them."
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post #82 of 122
2/4/08 at 3:32pm
Thread Starter 
The DIVOFF and his craggy countenance cannot escape this thread, so says the coming soon INDY 4 (and his resume).
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post #83 of 122
2/4/08 at 5:07pm
John Lithgow both as villain and supporting guy.

Peter Berg (yes that one)has been on a streak lately as low-profile characters in various movies.

Let us not forget Paul Sorvino.
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post #84 of 122
2/4/08 at 5:21pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
That is true, but that career is over. Sommers has reduced him to skeevy slimeball and that's where he'll stay, dammit!
And P.T.A. picked him up to play the equally secretive 'half-brother' of Daniel Plainview in There Will Be Blood.

So, he's moving up in the world, I guess.
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post #85 of 122
2/4/08 at 9:33pm
unmentioned thugs:

Bruce Glover (father of Crispin)

Robert Tessier

Nick Dimitri

Dick Durock

Richard Kiel

Irwin Keyes

Tony Longo

Mike Starr (but give him time to change)

Gene LeBell (needs no time to change)

Shing Fui-On
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post #86 of 122
2/4/08 at 11:22pm
Tony Longo is a fucking king amongst men, good call!
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post #87 of 122
2/5/08 at 12:29am
Thread Starter 
Great supplementlist, Disciple_72! Keyes and Kiel are like 2 brother giants from some twisted fairy tale. Throw in Tiny Ron (Rocketeer's Lothar) and Andre The Giant into the ogre mix as well.
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post #88 of 122
2/5/08 at 12:48am
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Originally Posted by Disciple_72 View Post
Shing Fui-On
For the longest time I honestly thought he was dead. Then BAM, I see his wonderful putrid mug gracing (one of the Pang Bros') THE DETECTIVE. Made my week, lemme tell ya.
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post #89 of 122
2/5/08 at 7:41pm
He had cancer, didn't he?

And can I just repeat: Mike Starr. I love that guy because he plays goons with a certain knowingness that others lack. Also it's one thing for a goon actor to swallow his pride and get punched out by a hero half his size, but how many of the actors listed here could have done justice to the role of Big Mike? the initial cockiness, then the getting slapped around, the humiliation, the patronization, then finally acceptance/understanding. Big Balls, is what I'm saying.
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post #90 of 122
2/5/08 at 7:43pm
his brother Beau Starr would be here too but he's more suited to the cop roles.
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post #91 of 122
2/5/08 at 7:53pm
"Jesus, Tom..."

He's great in SUMMER OF SAM as well, in a non-bastard role.

Not sure if Big Sillyhead had cancer, but I remember reading on several Chinese film sites years ago that he had passed on. Might have been one of them crazy Apple Daily rumors, like Brad Pitt starring in the A Better Tomorrow remake.
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post #92 of 122
2/6/08 at 9:18am


Dan Hedaya? And what about Vernon?
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post #93 of 122
2/6/08 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by Isao Kanemasa View Post
"Jesus, Tom..."
it's like he genuinely doesn't understand why Tom won't just sit still and take a beating! awesome.

also:

"Are you happy? Cos I get paid either way."
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post #94 of 122
2/7/08 at 4:40am

John Carroll Lynch. Every time I see him, my first thought is "Hey, it's Drew Carey's cross dressing brother!" and then his face does that sort of slackened grimace thing, and it's like "Oh shit." Prime examples of thuggishness: Face/Off (as head prison guard), Carnivale Season 2 (as Varlyn Stroud), ZODIAC (Arthur Leigh Allen, 'nuff said).

Admittedly much of his thuggishness is counterbalanced by roles like Norm Gunderson in Fargo, and the aforementioned Steve Carey, where he just plays this big cuddly nice guy.
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post #95 of 122
2/9/08 at 3:46pm
Ahem... Gentlemen, 94 Posts and no mention of:



The guy's been picking up the pounds lately, but you may remember Sir Ed O'Ross getting antsy about all things flame-y (Lethal Weapon, Action Jackson, Dick Tracy, charred UniSols) when not -ironically enough- been mistaken as "The Iceman" in Another 48 Hrs. Got his upgrade as Viktor Rosta in Red Heat, but still.

Also, Greene, Peter, he of the iceberg-cold stare:



Currently the butt of my (in)jokes on Mathieu Amalric's character in Quantum of Solace, the no less butt-busting Zed in Pulp Fiction was as memorable as Henchman Sykes in Judgment Night and that cap-wearing merc in Under Siege 2 as his lead villains Dorian in The Mask and Deacon in Blue Streak. I once read about his (past) heroin-addiction stories and these were pretty scary stuff...

And finally, a recent addition, enjoy the sweet mug of one Mr. Kevin Durand:



Ray Liotta's biker sidekick Red in Wild Hogs (yeah, I know); Jeeves Tremor in Smokin' Aces, prison inmate Carlos in The Butterfly Effect and henchman Booth in Walking Tall, you can also enjoy his craft as Oshima (!?) in Big Momma's House 2 for me, cause I sure won't.

EDIT TO ADD: have we dug out Kim "no, I'm not a chick" Coates yet?! I sincerely expect he needs no introduction:

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post #96 of 122
2/10/08 at 4:51pm
Oh psycheout, you SUCK! I was just going through the thread checking for Kim Coates, I reach the last post and what do I see? He does not *need* an introduction, but I think he deserves one. First time I took notice was the same as everyone else: "Touch me again and I'll kill ya." Takes a special kind of asshole to make the audience stand up and cheer at his death after only being in one short scene (he does have another line in the film: "This is him? This is the kid with the million dollar arm? He don't look like much." -"Well, I can't figure out wich one of you looks the most like my dick").
Also, Open Range:

Only time I remember him playing a non-prick was Black Hawk Down.
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post #97 of 122
2/10/08 at 5:40pm
...And one of the few guys in this list to have been killed by Bruce Willis twice. Remember his fantastic turn in Hostage as The Watchman, in which with only his voice and his stare he creates an ultra-menacing guy under a hood. Oh, and his PR guy in The Island wasn't that much of a prick either BTW.

Another one: guess who shows up regularly at Moltisanti's Family Reunion Screenings and takes some offense at the word "BOM"?



El señor Bob Apisa, yep. Bridget Fonda's first kill in Point of No Return; he's played opposite JCVD thrice as hunter Mr.Lopaki in Hard Target, bus inmate in Nowhere to Run and some thug in Derailed (IIRC); and against Seagal in Executive Decision (as the "Mystery passenger" Demou); Under Siege 2 (train merc) and The Glimmer Man (Brian Cox's bodyguard). In order to doublecheck my memories, I just visited his profile on Imdb, but... something seems wrong with it as I remember him in two or three hundred more movies than what's listed.
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post #98 of 122
2/10/08 at 10:10pm


Vic Manni; for sure a Hall of Famer of the "bodyguards turned actors" group of thespians.
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post #99 of 122
5/12/08 at 2:34pm
Thread Starter 
Robert Zdar!

A mutie made for this thread. If Chins Could Kill, indeed. He could crush an entire 3rd-World village with that jaw-anvil.

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post #100 of 122
5/12/08 at 2:57pm
Certain people don't like the stereotypes this kind of discussion perpetrates.
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