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Rick Santorum: Islam=Every Day, Christianity=Sunday

post #1 of 20
10/26/07 at 9:36am
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I thought Christians believed that the rules of God applied to them in all aspects of their life. I, therefor, humbly submit that this asshat is not a Christian.

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Originally Posted by Rick Santorum
While Christianity presents a humble, meek message emphasizing love, he said, Islam stemmed from the strong rule of the prophet Mohammed. “Every aspect of life was ruled.”

“Islam, unlike Christianity, is an all-encompassing ideology,” said Santorum, a Penn State alumnus. “It is not just something you do on Sunday…. We (as Americans) don’t get that.”
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post #2 of 20
10/26/07 at 9:46am
...wow. It's kind of amazing how someone can claim to be a Christian and just not understand the first damn bit of it.

Even the fundamentalists, frightening though they may be, have at least a base knowledge of their own faith.
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post #3 of 20
10/26/07 at 9:56am
"We (as Americans) don’t get that.”
Where is the quote from? What was the context?
Because he doesn't say Christians don't get it. He says Americans don't get it. He could be saying Americans don't get that christianity should be practiced every day like Islam.
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post #4 of 20
10/26/07 at 10:02am
Ah, this is true. If that's the proper context, then yes, he's likely not so far off.
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post #5 of 20
10/26/07 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by BobClark
"We (as Americans) don’t get that.”
Where is the quote from? What was the context?
Because he doesn't say Christians don't get it. He says Americans don't get it. He could be saying Americans don't get that christianity should be practiced every day like Islam.
At a rally during Islamo-Fascism Awareness week:

http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/241479.html

ETA: Besides isn't the important part where he says Christianity isn't an all encompassing religion.
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post #6 of 20
10/26/07 at 10:11am
Yeah, after reading that it sounds like he's condemning the "Sunday Christians".
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post #7 of 20
10/26/07 at 10:28am
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Originally Posted by BobClark
Yeah, after reading that it sounds like he's condemning the "Sunday Christians".
I disagree. He's condemning Islam for being an all encompassing religion whereas he says Christianity isn't. He's pointing out the difference between Christianity and Islam and claiming that Islam is more dangerous because it is all encompassing.
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post #8 of 20
10/26/07 at 10:36am
I read it as him saying Islam is a lot more devoted to their faith than we are. If Christians don't step up and show the same kind of commitment we'll be defeated.
He's basically saying Christians have lost the eye of the tiger and Islam is Mr. T.
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post #9 of 20
10/26/07 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by BobClark
I read it as him saying Islam is a lot more devoted to their faith than we are. If Christians don't step up and show the same kind of commitment we'll be defeated.
He's basically saying Christians have lost the eye of the tiger and Islam is Mr. T.
An interesting interpretation. You could very well be right. I guess maybe I'd feel more comfortable with that interpretation if it weren't coming from a nut job like Santorum.
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post #10 of 20
10/26/07 at 11:03am
I certainly agree Santorum is a complete tool.
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post #11 of 20
10/26/07 at 11:16am
Mr. T's a Muslim? Well, we might as well just surrender now.
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post #12 of 20
10/26/07 at 11:50am
And Rick Santorum is our Apollo Creed? Can I just skip to the part where he gets killed by Ivan Drago?
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post #13 of 20
10/26/07 at 12:02pm
I read the article, and I can't tell if he misunderstands his own religion or if he's attempting to say what BobClark writes above. Either way, he really has no idea what he's talking about.

An aside, just because this drives me crazy every single time I see or hear it - why is it "Judeo-Christian values"? It's always fundamentalist Christians tossing this one around, as if they want more to do with the Jews than making sure they're all in Israel so Jesus can come back.
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post #14 of 20
10/26/07 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by MissZooey
I read the article, and I can't tell if he misunderstands his own religion or if he's attempting to say what BobClark writes above. Either way, he really has no idea what he's talking about.

An aside, just because this drives me crazy every single time I see or hear it - why is it "Judeo-Christian values"? It's always fundamentalist Christians tossing this one around, as if they want more to do with the Jews than making sure they're all in Israel so Jesus can come back.
The fundamentalist Christians are legalist like Jame was, and we more moderate or liberal Christians are not. The fundamentalist say "Judeo-Christian values", because they still think that the Jewish law is valued. Were as the liberals side with Paul and believe, that we are free from the Law.

1 Corinthians 10:23[ The Believer's Freedom ] "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is constructive. . 24Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
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post #15 of 20
10/26/07 at 12:21pm
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While Christianity presents a humble, meek message emphasizing love, he said, Islam stemmed from the strong rule of the prophet Mohammed. “Every aspect of life was ruled.”
This statement sounds more like a refutation of the sort of Christianity practiced by Santorum and his ilk than a defense of it.
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post #16 of 20
10/26/07 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by eenin
The fundamentalist Christians are legalist like Jame was, and we more moderate or liberal Christians are not. The fundamentalist say "Judeo-Christian values", because they still think that the Jewish law is valued. Were as the liberals side with Paul and believe, that we are free from the Law.
I understand this; it still seems disingenuous. But there's a lot about neo-conservative Christianity's relationship to Judaism and Israel that gives me the creeps.
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post #17 of 20
10/26/07 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by MissZooey
I read the article, and I can't tell if he misunderstands his own religion or if he's attempting to say what BobClark writes above. Either way, he really has no idea what he's talking about.
He does come off as clueless and scary either way. One way he is advocating strict adherence to Christian values in the same way that Muslim extremists advocate strict adherence to Islam. Or he's admitting that his belief system is an "Only on Sunday" kind of faith. It's as if he sees no in between state of belief.
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post #18 of 20
10/26/07 at 1:41pm
It's a little tough to argue over what Santorum did or didn't mean when you have an article with just two small quotes taken from who knows where in the speech. It's like trying to have a deep discussion on a film after just watching the trailer.
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post #19 of 20
10/26/07 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car
It's a little tough to argue over what Santorum did or didn't mean when you have an article with just two small quotes taken from who knows where in the speech. It's like trying to have a deep discussion on a film after just watching the trailer.
Sort of. But it did come at Islamo-Fascist Awareness rally so I think we can make some assumptions about the intended audience and the words of a speaker at said rally. It's not like he was speaking at an Communicating Effectively in an Interfaith Community rally. I'm pretty sure what he said about Islam was negative and what he said about Christians was meant to be positive or at least a rallying cry.

ETA: Another article on the speech: http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news....d=576361&rfi=6

It gives a better idea about what kind of speech he was presenting. Kind of seems like it was one large straw man.
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post #20 of 20
10/26/07 at 2:09pm
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Also you can check out what he has to say here.
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