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Hostel: Part 2 DVD

post #1 of 9
10/28/07 at 5:48am
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Alright so I didn't catch this in the movie theatres(and I guess no one else did either) so I caught it on DVD. Not a bad DVD at all. Loved the 3 commentaires with the actors, Quentin and Eli Roth. Im sure there will be another one in a few months but I don't find it necessary to double dip, I didn't with the first one and didn't really miss out on anything.

As for the flick I was pleasently suprised. I enjoyed it but reading through the old post release thread in in the Focused Forum I see people disagreeing about the end calling the lead female cold and heartless. Well I just don't get that. She clearly knows that both her friends are dead. The guy that just killed her best friend is sitting beside her. In buying her way out she escapes, kills the guy who killed her friend and then with her freedom she is able to get revenge on the woman who lured them in. I mean whats the money to her? Shes rich, it's really the same as her just walking out. Really she could just go back home and lead her life, of course she would be damaged emotionally. I really don't see how any of that is morally wrong.

The other complaint I noticed was that she doesn't cut the guys dick off until he calls her a cunt. And I gotta say thats not a bad point. But I looked at it more like thats the moment she realized she could kill this guy. I mean until that point she didn't really want to kill him. She was going to use him to barter but when she realized they didn't care that much about him and that she would have to kill someone to excape and then the guy calls her a cunt she just finally snapped.

Oh and on a finale note I realy hated the kids playing soccer with her head at the end. It took alot of the power out of all that had just transpired. Felt really out of place, although still better than the pancake kid from Cabin fever which I hated.
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post #2 of 9
10/28/07 at 6:56am
I loved the part where Spade showed up as Kyle the skateboarding dude and he got thrown in jail it was totally subversive!
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post #3 of 9
10/28/07 at 1:47pm
Yeah, that part was cool. But for my money, nothing beats the part when Darnell is playing undercover cop in the mall when he runs into a REAL undercover cop and then totally busts his balls! Laughed my ass off, for reals.
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post #4 of 9
10/29/07 at 3:41pm
I'm surprised there isn't more talk of this movie on the CHUD boards. I couldn't even find a post release thread.

Anyway, I just saw it and was very underwhelmed. I only thought the first one was okay, and this was basically more of the same. Well made from a directorial standpoint, but simply not as interesting, frightening, or disgusting as Roth thinks it is. This movie doesn't need to exist.

My biggest problem was Roger Bart's sudden transformation from doubting humanitarian to mustache twirling villain. I'll admit I was only half paying attention at that point, but was there any explanation for his sudden psychosis?
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post #5 of 9
10/29/07 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by Supremo
My biggest problem was Roger Bart's sudden transformation from doubting humanitarian to mustache twirling villain. I'll admit I was only half paying attention at that point, but was there any explanation for his sudden psychosis?
I was angry at myself for not seeing that coming a mile away. I thought about it some and taking the jogging scene into account you can see that it was a great piece of storytelling. Richard Burgi(Todd) was going on and on about how you can meet a guy and just know that "this fucker has killed someone" and how much he wanted to be in that kind of club.

The big talker couldn't do it when it came down to it but the guy with the seeming reservation didn't so much "transform" as I feel his whole uncuffing of Lauren German(Beth) was part of the killing for him. He wanted to mind fuck her as much as kill her.

Then I watched the extras and there was one where Roth was just going on and on about the opening of the movie and how he wanted to make it clear during the bidding process that these were just "normal, everyday people" that you wouldn't so much as guess would be doing shit like this from looking at them.

I don't think Bart's(Stuart) urge to kill Bijou Phillips(Whitney) had anything to do with her killing Todd either. I think he just was the consummate client.
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post #6 of 9
10/29/07 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by Supremo
My biggest problem was Roger Bart's sudden transformation from doubting humanitarian to mustache twirling villain. I'll admit I was only half paying attention at that point, but was there any explanation for his sudden psychosis?
The early scene with his wife is meant to explain his transformation. I really like Roth, but it seemed like he was treading water here. It's such a rehash of the first one. He tried to change things up by giving us the client's perspective, but to not much avail. Anyway, I like the first one and look forward to his next project.
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post #7 of 9
10/29/07 at 4:07pm
I understand the point of making the alpha male the wimp and the wimp into the alpha male from a twist perspective, but I still think it was handled very clumsily. It also wasn't exactly shocking enough to be a "twist," so it just fell flat and felt forced.

I can't say I love any of Roth's movies, but I do like to hear the guy speak. Now I just wish he'd make something aside from the Thanksgiving trailer that lives up to his own hype.
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post #8 of 9
10/29/07 at 7:35pm
I think his hype is mostly created by the mainstream media. Here, and at other film sites, horror fans simply react to the hype, not create it. You don't see people here holding him way up on a pedestal.

I saw this myself just yesterday and it was somewhat underwhelming for me as well. I did like the resolution though. Beth got pragmatic and intelligently reasoned with the Outfit on a level they understood instead of slashing and stumbling her way out. She turned the tables and instantly became her enemy and understood her torturers on a level victims never do. Because she was no longer one. She became the person that Todd wanted to be in order to survive and proved his point in a way. That those who have killed are the ultimate survivors on this earth. There's a terrible ring to that that is scarier than anything in this film.
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post #9 of 9
10/30/07 at 1:28am
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Originally From Imperator GAC
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She turned the tables and instantly became her enemy and understood her torturers on a level victims never do. Because she was no longer one. She became the person that Todd wanted to be in order to survive and proved his point in a way. That those who have killed are the ultimate survivors on this earth. There's a terrible ring to that that is scarier than anything in this film.
But see that is what I was disagreeing with. I don't see how it makes her part of the system or one of the bad guys. I mean yes she is technically part of the system because of the tatoo on her back but thats just superficial in my opinion. The fact is she saw a way out and a way to punish the man who killed her best friend and the person who lured them there in the first place. And what did it really cost her? What some money? Money that she had a ton of and a stupid tatoo on her back. So what? No one said that she ever has to go back and torture anyone.

Now don't get me wrong I do understand the death of her friends and the murders she committed will physchologically damage her but then again any tradgedy will. She killed the people responsible and escaped on one piece, what did she do wrong?
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