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Alex Rodriguez opts out

post #1 of 44
10/29/07 at 12:15am
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ESPN is reporting that agent Scott Boras has informed the Yankees that Alex Rodriguez has decided to officially opt out of his current contract. Bye bye, pussy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3084583
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post #2 of 44
10/29/07 at 12:21am
Party time at The Ballpark in Arlington!
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post #3 of 44
10/29/07 at 12:25am
And the Yankees have said previously that they will not negotiate a new contract with him if he opts out. This is big news.
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post #4 of 44
10/29/07 at 1:00am
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Here is where I am confused:
The reason Boras gave for Rodriguez opting out now is that he is unsure what was gonna happen with Posada, Pettite, Posada and the manager. The deadline for him to opt out is 10 days after the World Series ends. Why not wait until the absolute last minute if the decision is even a little bit tied into the other free agents/openings? What is the benefit of deciding today?
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post #5 of 44
10/29/07 at 1:06am
Alex's agent is Scott Boras. The man is known for getting his players the best money he can. The best way to achieve this is by opting out of the contract and letting a bidding war begin between the handful of teams that could afford Rodriguez. I have heard that ARod doesn't want to go to Boston. So I'm figuring he's going to end up in Chicago. Unless the Mets go crazy and offer him a contract.
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post #6 of 44
10/29/07 at 1:12am
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Originally Posted by donde
Alex's agent is Scott Boras. The man is known for getting his players the best money he can. The best way to achieve this is by opting out of the contract and letting a bidding war begin between the handful of teams that could afford Rodriguez. I have heard that ARod doesn't want to go to Boston. So I'm figuring he's going to end up in Chicago. Unless the Mets go crazy and offer him a contract.

But, assuming the Yankees really will not enter into negotiations now, how is taking out the team that we all assume would pay the most be considered a smart move? The Yankees would have tacked on approx. 7 more years for an additional $150,000,000 (making a total of 10 years $250,000,000 when you add on his 3 remaining years). Who is gonna give him more? Cubs gonna go 10 years $275 million?
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post #7 of 44
10/29/07 at 1:55am
There really aren't that many teams in the bidding. If the Yankees (and consequently the Red Sox, seeing as how they don't need him to win) are out, that only leaves the Angels and Cubs. I don't think either of those teams are dumb enough to outbid themselves in a two man race. And considering that the Cubs are already shelling out big time money for Soriano and Zambrano, I'm not sure if they're really in the mix either, unless Cuban buys the team.
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post #8 of 44
10/29/07 at 3:26am
Maybe it's not about the money, maybe A-Rod just has a tender soul* and can't take the NY atmosphere.


*that's "he's a pussy" to the non-religious types.
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post #9 of 44
10/29/07 at 4:58am
Either Boras knows he can get the money the Yankees offered elsewhere or he really wants out of NY. I can't believe Boras would let Alex opt out without knowing what other teams will offer.

I don't see Alex going to the Angels/Dodgers because he'll never make the early ESPN playing on the West Coast. I'm betting on East of the Mississippi and doubtful going to the Cubs.
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post #10 of 44
10/29/07 at 5:11am
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Originally Posted by Raspberry Leper
But, assuming the Yankees really will not enter into negotiations now, how is taking out the team that we all assume would pay the most be considered a smart move? The Yankees would have tacked on approx. 7 more years for an additional $150,000,000 (making a total of 10 years $250,000,000 when you add on his 3 remaining years). Who is gonna give him more? Cubs gonna go 10 years $275 million?
Well, heres the thing, sure, the NY Yankees have said they wont negotiate with Rodriguez if he opts out, but saying something and doing something are two very different things. Nobody really knows what the Yankees are planning on doing with Rodriguez, they may very well have decided to re-sign Posada and Rivera during that ten day span, only to try to push for a hometown discount due to those two integral signings hamstringing them financially.

Now they have no such excuse, they have a ton of money freed up, and have to very publicly show where their priorities lie.

After JD Drew's contract with Boston, is anyone really willing to second guess Scott Boras?
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post #11 of 44
10/29/07 at 8:21am
I think he may wind up with the Cubs and be reunited with Lou Pinella. He can eat up National league pitching for 7 to 10 years and retire as the new home run king. It's all gonna come down to money though and Boras has said in interviews he thinks A-Rod is worth up to a billion dollars (which is nonsense) when you add up jersey sales and all that so they're gonna play the market for another huge deal. The Yankees are better off they should set their sights on Mike Lowell immediately.
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post #12 of 44
10/29/07 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by Raspberry Leper
What is the benefit of deciding today?
Because they can't stand the attention the Red Sox are getting, and can't go 5 seconds without craming it down our throats that ARod is now a free agent?

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Originally Posted by Fonse
The Yankees are better off they should set their sights on Mike Lowell immediately.
Yes they are, but Lowell isn't leaving Boston.
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post #13 of 44
10/29/07 at 9:14am
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Originally Posted by Poulsonator
Because they can't stand the attention the Red Sox are getting, and can't go 5 seconds without craming it down our throats that ARod is now a free agent?
"They" who? The Yankees? This announcement came from Boras. Supposedly Boras informed Yankee management about Rodriguez's decision via a voicemail.
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post #14 of 44
10/29/07 at 9:22am
They = ARod mostly, but Boras as well. Fuck them both for the timing on this.
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post #15 of 44
10/29/07 at 9:41am
Such disrespect for the game. Even the Yankees are showing more tact by waiting 'til today in announcing that Girardi will be their manager.

Lowell will be in Boston next year.
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post #16 of 44
10/29/07 at 10:03am
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If I had one sports-related wish right now,maybe if I found a small batting helmet (The ones that ice cream can be served in) at an antique store, rubbed it, and was startled by some sort of baseball genie popping out of it, I would ask for owner collusion. I would ask for Boras's phone to remain unrung until mid- January, when Tampa Bay calls to offer 2 years, $18,000,000.

I would like that very much.
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post #17 of 44
10/29/07 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by Raspberry Leper
I would ask for owner collusion.
Ditto.
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post #18 of 44
10/29/07 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by Poulsonator
They = ARod mostly, but Boras as well. Fuck them both for the timing on this.
Yeah, what a fucking douche move.

And I bet he goes to Anaheim. He gets to play in a big market, but for a team no one cares about. It's the perfect situation for him.
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post #19 of 44
10/29/07 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
Well, heres the thing, sure, the NY Yankees have said they wont negotiate with Rodriguez if he opts out, but saying something and doing something are two very different things. Nobody really knows what the Yankees are planning on doing with Rodriguez, they may very well have decided to re-sign Posada and Rivera during that ten day span, only to try to push for a hometown discount due to those two integral signings hamstringing them financially.

Now they have no such excuse, they have a ton of money freed up, and have to very publicly show where their priorities lie.

After JD Drew's contract with Boston, is anyone really willing to second guess Scott Boras?
Considering that Cashman has re-iterated their stance without even being prompted of late ("What'd you have for breakfast, Brian?" "We're not making an offer if he opts out."), he'd look seriously weak if he made a bid now. A lot of this may have been a big ol' game of chicken but he won't be able to play it with anyone else if he capitulates here.
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post #20 of 44
10/29/07 at 11:54am
Honestly, though, isn't Cashman weak when it comes to big names? Didn't the Torre thing go completely over his head? When was the last time the Yankees acquired a big time free agent without Tampa getting involved?

I'll say this, though, without having listened to the FAN, or picked up the rags, I imagine Yankee fans are perfectly fine with watching Rodriguez walk. Sure, the Yankees will be significantly worse next year, regardless of who they replace him with, but their fans have been looking to get rid of him for quite some time.
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post #21 of 44
10/29/07 at 1:38pm
I think he opted out because he didn't want to get bitch-slapped by his new manager.
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post #22 of 44
10/29/07 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by Rob Rocco
I think he opted out because he didn't want to get bitch-slapped by his new manager.
Looks like the Hank Steinbrenner era is starting off on a good note. Maybe they're serious about the whole rebuilding process.
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post #23 of 44
10/29/07 at 2:07pm
I'm not sure why people continue to doubt Boras. He's made some sort of deal with the devil which forces teams to bid against themselves for the services of his clients. Don't forget that A-Rod's current contract was finalized a year before the market completely fell out for players and for a few years he was continually held up as an example of the "old" out of control payrolls. Suddenly the market goes crazy again and Boras puts the best regular season player in baseball back on the market just in time. A-Rod will sign a bigger deal and we'll all look at it trying to figure out why some team overpaid for him, and in a few years it will all be forgotten yet again.
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post #24 of 44
10/29/07 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by A-Pathetic
I'm not sure why people continue to doubt Boras. He's made some sort of deal with the devil which forces teams to bid against themselves for the services of his clients. Don't forget that A-Rod's current contract was finalized a year before the market completely fell out for players and for a few years he was continually held up as an example of the "old" out of control payrolls. Suddenly the market goes crazy again and Boras puts the best regular season player in baseball back on the market just in time. A-Rod will sign a bigger deal and we'll all look at it trying to figure out why some team overpaid for him, and in a few years it will all be forgotten yet again.
I'm really hoping that their decision to opt out bites them in the ass. Like what was said before, there just aren't that many teams in the bidding. But if Boras can get someone like JD Drew MORE money after a terrible run in LA, the sky's the limit for ARod.
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post #25 of 44
10/29/07 at 4:08pm
Christ, watching Sportscenter you'd never know anything happened in sports this weekend that didn't involve the fucking Yankees.

Sheesh.
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post #26 of 44
10/29/07 at 4:58pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
Christ, watching TMZ/MTV of Sports you'd never know anything happened in sports this weekend that didn't involve the fucking Yankees.
Fixed.
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post #27 of 44
10/29/07 at 5:05pm
It's preposterous to believe A-Rod will end up anywhere but Chicago, LA, LAA, or Boston at this point.

The smart money is probably on Chicago, but I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up in LAA.
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post #28 of 44
10/29/07 at 5:31pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
The smart money is probably on Chicago,
Which side of Chicago? I can't see him in Anaheim. Too small market. I'd lean Boston at this point.
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post #29 of 44
10/29/07 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
Which side of Chicago? I can't see him in Anaheim. Too small market. I'd lean Boston at this point.
Boston needs him less than anybody (it's hard to improve on champions), and will work to re-sign Lowell who has proven he can do it in the post-season.

I'm betting Cubs. Back in his comfort zone with Lou.
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post #30 of 44
10/29/07 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
It's preposterous to believe A-Rod will end up anywhere but Chicago, LA, LAA, or Boston at this point.

The smart money is probably on Chicago, but I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up in LAA.
Rumor is that he does not want to sign with Boston. I'm betting on Chicago.
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post #31 of 44
10/29/07 at 5:51pm
With Ownership in transition I an't see the Cubs signing him. That and Chicago never land the top tier Free Agents.
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post #32 of 44
10/29/07 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
Christ, watching Sportscenter you'd never know anything happened in sports this weekend that didn't involve the fucking Yankees.

Sheesh.

Umm, the Yankees didn't win the series. What else do you need to know? [/sarcasm]
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post #33 of 44
10/29/07 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks
Maybe it's not about the money, maybe A-Rod just has a tender soul* and can't take the NY atmosphere.


*that's "he's a pussy" to the non-religious types.
In what other market will A-Rod be able to surreptitiously fuck other men and not have it get out besides New York?
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post #34 of 44
10/29/07 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by scsotdc
In what other market will A-Rod be able to surreptitiously fuck other men and not have it get out besides New York?
South Carolina?

*bwahahaha*
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post #35 of 44
10/29/07 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
With Ownership in transition I an't see the Cubs signing him. That and Chicago never land the top tier Free Agents.
Every time the Cubs talk about ownership transition they suddenly sign somebody out of left field. I'm assuming it's under the notion that they are making the team more marketable.

With that being said, the Cubs do seem to act like a small market team more often than not.
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post #36 of 44
10/29/07 at 6:28pm
Listening to sports talk radio this morning, it seemed like he's going to a west coast team (Dodgers, Angeles, ...Giants*).
The wacky reasoning offered was that ARod has never had a father figure, and Boras has become that to him. They seemed to think Boras wants ARod out closer to him. I suppose it will cut back on travel time, too.
Artie Moreno said earlier this season that he wouldn't shell out such a huge percent of the team's payroll for a single player, but the Angels have seemed to be just one player away from a return to the World Series the last few seasons.
As far as the Dodgers are concerned, even though we need a power bat like no one's business and it would be nice to fill the gaping hole we have had at third base since Beltre left, I don't see McCourt paying that much for a single player either.

* The reasoning offered for the Giants mention was that they don't have that high of a payroll and they know the value of signing an offensive powerhouse. People buy tickets to watch players hit home runs.
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post #37 of 44
10/29/07 at 6:35pm
I'm sorry, but WTF would you sign A-Rod to play 3B? Third basemen are a dime a dozen, but shortstops like A-Rod come along once. Not once in a generation, just once. Ever.

He's still pretty young and it's his natural position; he should be at SS for another two, three, maybe four years.
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post #38 of 44
10/29/07 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
South Carolina?

*bwahahaha*
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post #39 of 44
10/29/07 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
I'm sorry, but WTF would you sign A-Rod to play 3B? Third basemen are a dime a dozen, but shortstops like A-Rod come along once. Not once in a generation, just once. Ever.

He's still pretty young and it's his natural position; he should be at SS for another two, three, maybe four years.
Believe me, I get that. But then we'd have to do something about Furcal.

Now, do you think Boras had ARod opt out because he wanted attention for his player, or do you think he already had worked out a tentative deal with one of these teams?
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post #40 of 44
10/29/07 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by Tieman
Believe me, I get that. But then we'd have to do something about Furcal.

Now, do you think Boras had ARod opt out because he wanted attention for his player, or do you think he already had worked out a tentative deal with one of these teams?
Furcal should play 2B. His diminishing power numbers and speed are better suited for that position. I don't give a shit how much of a cannon his arm is, put him at 2B.
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post #41 of 44
10/30/07 at 3:39am
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Originally Posted by Overlord
He's still pretty young and it's his natural position; he should be at SS for another two, three, maybe four years.
I'm sure Boras is selling Rodriguez as if he were truly a shortstop, but honestly, after watching him on the Yankees these past few seasons, I think hes past the point where he'll be able to transition back to that position.

If you're a team thats interested in him as anything but a third basemen, you're probably making a huge mistake. Of course, I hear the Cubs love signing big name free agents to play positions they can't possibly field.

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Originally Posted by Tieman
Now, do you think Boras had ARod opt out because he wanted attention for his player, or do you think he already had worked out a tentative deal with one of these teams?
They opted out because its ridiculously obvious that multiple teams would pay more than whatever the Yankees were willing to offer. Contrary to popular belief, Rodriguez doesn't need the Yankees to bid his services up, if last year taught us anything, its that even the Royals have money to burn, let alone succesful franchises.
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post #42 of 44
10/30/07 at 9:24am
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My prediction:
Torre, Mattingly and at least one of the NY free agents in Dodger blue next spring.
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post #43 of 44
10/30/07 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
I'm sure Boras is selling Rodriguez as if he were truly a shortstop, but honestly, after watching him on the Yankees these past few seasons, I think hes past the point where he'll be able to transition back to that position.
Really? If anything, I've always thought he's looked somewhat out of position at 3B. His body type doesn't look to have gone the Bonds route either. What are you picking up on?
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post #44 of 44
10/30/07 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
Really? If anything, I've always thought he's looked somewhat out of position at 3B. His body type doesn't look to have gone the Bonds route either. What are you picking up on?
Even after losing weight this past off-season, he still doesn't resemble his former self physically, but mostly its due to him getting progressively worse at his position.

I suppose that could be excused away as discomfort, but if his range (or first step, its hard to tell which with a position like third base) wasn't regressing, one would assume that he'd get better at fielding a new position with time, not worse. Rodriguez is going to be 33 years old next season, and if your plan is to move him to short only to move him back to a less demanding position within a year, you're far better off having him not switch at all.
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