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MGS4 delayed...again

post #1 of 24
10/31/07 at 6:34pm
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Hey, it's not like there aren't other games to buy for a PS...oh, right, right...

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Metal Gear Solid 4 Delayed
Snake won't slither onto PlayStation 3 until Q2 2008.
by Rob Burman, IGN UK
UK, October 31, 2007 - Bad news, Snake fans. Solid's first PlayStation 3 outing -- which was originally scheduled to hit consoles worldwide this winter and later slated to appear in March 2008 -- has slipped, with Konami announcing that game-hungry PS3 fans (which, let's face it, is all of us) won't get to try out the Octocamo in Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots until Q2 2008. For those of you who are quarterly-challenged, that translates to between April and June of next year.

A statement from the publisher said simply: "Konami has decided to delay the title's release in order to make further improvements to the quality of the game and provide even greater enjoyment for more customers worldwide. Konami will continue its efforts to make Metal Gear Solid 4 meet everyone's expectations."

Konami also promised to announce more information about the new release date in the near future.
I apologize if this has been posted elsewhere.

And, while I am always appreciative of quality product, I'm also appreciative of punctuality, of course, I'm willing to forego the latter so the former can be that much better.
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post #2 of 24
10/31/07 at 6:43pm
There is no way they'd bother with an announcement if this was only a week or two late (meaning early Q2). There's also there's no way they are going to release their biggest franchise game in the summer (meaning late Q2).

If this puppy is on the shelves any earlier than the first week of November 2008, I will be stunned. I think an Xmas or an early January 2009 date for the US release is equally plausible.

Maybe Konami needs more time to polish the 360 version they're preparing to ram down Kojima's throat?

**the IGN and Gamespot threads on this are hysterical. "Waitstation", "Delaystation", etc....the flaming has reached epic proportions.

***What exclusives are still on tap through Q1 2008 for the PS3? Uncharted (which looks pretty cool....a port is too much to hope for) and Haze are the only two I can think of. Or is Haze on the PC also?
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post #3 of 24
10/31/07 at 6:46pm
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Hey, got to hand it to the posters at IGN and Gamespot, they're witty motherfuckers!

...sarcasm doesn't translate well on-line, does it?
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post #4 of 24
10/31/07 at 6:58pm
I love watching the ongoing colossal clusterfuck that is the Playstation 3.
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post #5 of 24
10/31/07 at 7:04pm
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***What exclusives are still on tap through Q1 2008 for the PS3?
Burnout Paradise isn't a PS3 exclusive but all the early word puts it as the first 360/PS3 title where the PS3 version is actually the version worth buying. That has to count for something, right?

At any rate, it's the first disc-based PS3 game I'm really interested in picking up before a price drop.
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post #6 of 24
10/31/07 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by gravedigger
That has to count for something, right?
At this point of multi-platform ubiquity (although missing features, reduced framerates, and other issues are starting to make multi-plats much more of a crapshoot): no, it does not count for anything. Unless it's being released at least one month earlier.

What's weird about this MGS delay is that the game has now been delayed at least twice (that I'm aware of) from actual dates set by Konami: not dates muttered by uninformed Sony or MS executives. And these weren't insignificant delays, either. Supposedly the game has a staff of 200 people working on it. WTF is going on? I'm thinking they must be preparing a cross-platform launch; nothing else makes sense unless there are major Cell-related programming or design issues popping up.
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post #7 of 24
10/31/07 at 7:10pm
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Originally Posted by ExarKoontz
I love watching the ongoing colossal clusterfuck that is the Playstation 3.
As do we all, Ex, as do we all.
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post #8 of 24
10/31/07 at 7:17pm
Maybe Kojima was the last guy to get the memo that rumble is, in fact, NOT a last-gen technology in the eyes of Sony so he's busy retooling the entire game to take advantage of the DualShock 3 features.
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post #9 of 24
10/31/07 at 7:20pm
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Originally Posted by gravedigger
Maybe Kojima was the last guy to get the memo that rumble is, in fact, NOT a last-gen technology in the eyes of Sony so he's busy retooling the entire game to take advantage of the DualShock 3 features.
That would be teh funny. Teh funny, indeed.
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post #10 of 24
10/31/07 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
What's weird about this MGS delay is that the game has now been delayed at least twice (that I'm aware of) from actual dates set by Konami: not dates muttered by uninformed Sony or MS executives. And these weren't insignificant delays, either. Supposedly the game has a staff of 200 people working on it. WTF is going on? I'm thinking they must be preparing a cross-platform launch; nothing else makes sense unless there are major Cell-related programming or design issues popping up.
You might be right Overlord, but Kojima does have a history of delaying his games so their explanation might be slightly legit. All the Metal Gear Solid games have had multiple delays. This one is no different. The only one I can think of that was not delayed is Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops, in the U.S. anyway (yes I'm a big MGS fan).

I'm not surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised. At least we get the Uncharted Demo next week.
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post #11 of 24
10/31/07 at 9:20pm
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Originally Posted by Bruce Wayne
I'm not surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised. At least we get the Uncharted Demo next week.
You're bothering with demos? Have you looked at the release list for November? I don't have time for two of the games I've already bought, and there's more on the horizon.
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post #12 of 24
10/31/07 at 9:27pm
Well that's in addition to COD4. I get that next week as well. Unless Infinity Ward has some bad news for me too this week.
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post #13 of 24
10/31/07 at 9:31pm
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Originally Posted by Doc Happenin
As do we all, Ex, as do we all.
Umm... no we don't.
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post #14 of 24
10/31/07 at 10:32pm
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Originally Posted by MikeShaynePI
Umm... no we don't.

Yes, we do.
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post #15 of 24
10/31/07 at 10:50pm
I almost think that it was bound to happen to Sony sooner or later. Who knows what will happen? Maybe they'll figure it out and relaunch the console successfully. Or maybe the PS4 will kick all kinds of ass.
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post #16 of 24
11/1/07 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by Overlord
What's weird about this MGS delay is that the game has now been delayed at least twice (that I'm aware of) from actual dates set by Konami: not dates muttered by uninformed Sony or MS executives. And these weren't insignificant delays, either. Supposedly the game has a staff of 200 people working on it. WTF is going on? I'm thinking they must be preparing a cross-platform launch; nothing else makes sense unless there are major Cell-related programming or design issues popping up.
I'm willing to go with that theory. I mean, if Valve is having trouble even getting The Orange Box on the system (and these are the people who squeezed Half-Life 2 into the original XBox), something like MGS has to be Herculean.

That said, re: your other post, I predict now, if the game is actually ready by Q2, we WILL see a summer release date. It's not a matter of Sony saving their triple-A game to sell a few million more consoles at Christmas; they need to just sell the damn things, by any means necessary, and every month that game's not on shelves hurts, especially with Sony's complete lack of killer app this holiday, a year after its release, and the only other bullet in Sony's gun (FFXIII) is still another year/year and a half away, at the least.

Also, let's not forget, a late summer/early fall release date didn't hurt Microsoft/Halo any.
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post #17 of 24
11/1/07 at 10:37am
http://kotaku.com/gaming/metal-gear-...lay-317586.php

Konami's shares dropped 7% after this latest announcement, its biggest drop in four years. And Sony continues to pump money into a huge xmas ad campaign for hardware when the only legitimate game they've got is R&C. I can't remember, was it this bad for the PSX when it first came out? I know it struggled early..

..and even as a PS3 owner, I agree. Watching this mess is entertaining.
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post #18 of 24
11/1/07 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by Soul Ahn Ice
I can't remember, was it this bad for the PSX when it first came out? I know it struggled early.
Not nearly. Never minding the fact that the system's only competition back then was the Saturn (a system that, come to think of it, shares a lot more in common with the PS3 than I'm sure anyone would care to admit), the launch titles were impressive enough to sell systems. There was a short drought after Christmas 95, and then stuff like the first Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Wipeout XL, Crash Bandicoot, Legacy of Kain, and Tekken 2 started to drop...all those within a few months, with Symphony of the Night and Final Fantasy VII less than a year away.
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post #19 of 24
11/1/07 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
What's weird about this MGS delay is that the game has now been delayed at least twice (that I'm aware of) from actual dates set by Konami: not dates muttered by uninformed Sony or MS executives. And these weren't insignificant delays, either. Supposedly the game has a staff of 200 people working on it. WTF is going on? I'm thinking they must be preparing a cross-platform launch; nothing else makes sense unless there are major Cell-related programming or design issues popping up.
Oh, I totally agree that it has more to do with the cross platform and an internal Konami problem than anything having to do with Sony. But damn if Sony isn't sweating bullets and/or committing seppuku in large numbers because of the debacle that is the PS3.
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post #20 of 24
11/2/07 at 3:22pm
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Do you think Sony is busy creating a time machine in order to go back and retcon the launch of the PS3? They're tricky bastards, those Sony guys and I wouldn't past them.
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post #21 of 24
11/2/07 at 3:43pm
Have I been under a rock? What are the actual odds that a port for 360 is coming? I find that very hard to believe, although if it were true I would be able to avoid buying this system for an extra year or so until FF13.

PS3 is a fiasco, but they are still selling units on par with 360's first 11 month projections. Once the Gears of War spike is factored into the equation that will all go out the window, of course, but there is time to turn this around.
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post #22 of 24
11/2/07 at 5:31pm
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Originally Posted by TheCynic
Have I been under a rock? What are the actual odds that a port for 360 is coming? I find that very hard to believe, although if it were true I would be able to avoid buying this system for an extra year or so until FF13.

PS3 is a fiasco, but they are still selling units on par with 360's first 11 month projections. Once the Gears of War spike is factored into the equation that will all go out the window, of course, but there is time to turn this around.
I'd guess the odds of a 360 port are nearing 100%. Rumors were flying, then quietly squelched, but Konami has never denied that it will happen. Kojima was the only fly in the ointment, and he doesn't have the final say. I'm guessing they kept him happy and placated him while he finished the game, and now that it's nearing completion they're going to basically port it regardless of what he wants.

PS3 may be selling units on par with 360s first 11 month projections, but at this point it faces a gigantic market share differential between itself and both the Wii and the 360. I have to wonder how many people are using their PS3 as a Blu-Ray player while they wait for some big titles to drop. The 360 attach rate, even without factoring in Xbox Live, is preposterous.
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post #23 of 24
11/2/07 at 6:06pm
Well clearly the number of people using it for blu-ray isn't huge, considering blu-ray sales aren't leaps and bounds greater than hd-dvd sales whereas blu-ray player sales (with PS3) are leaps nd bounds over hd-dvd players.

At any rate I can't blame Konami. 5-7 million sales on one hand, 9-10 million sales on the other. Why not double your money?

I hope hope hope this turns out to be what happens... that would be an incredible coup for 360 and people that own 360.
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post #24 of 24
11/3/07 at 1:03am
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Originally Posted by Overlord
I'd guess the odds of a 360 port are nearing 100%. Rumors were flying, then quietly squelched, but Konami has never denied that it will happen. Kojima was the only fly in the ointment, and he doesn't have the final say.
One would think that the creator and maintainer of the only franchise that Konami has left that anybody's anticipating would have final say. Konami hasn't exactly been a force this generation. Hell, I'd hesitate to say they've even been visible this generation.

Metal Gear Online? I can see a 360 port. I'd prefer a 360 port. I'd love to have MGO's gameplay with Live stability. Metal Gear Solid 4 on 360? I'm having a hard time seeing it. Not with the differences between 360 and PS3 hardware programming that developers keep talking about. Not with Kojima's repeated "No. Never. Stop asking me." responses.
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