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post #1 of 31
11/1/07 at 4:39pm
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Is there an un-written rule that you're not supposed to run up the score in the NFL?

NFL fans have officially become pussies. People complain that the Pats should have class and not humiliated Joe Gibbs (BTW, JG humilated himself)....and know we have Chowder saying someone might cheap-shot Brady.

Granted I barely watch football anymore, and I am not a Pats fan, but WTF?

No one was bitching when the Jacksonville Jaguars gave Marino a 62-7 farewell.
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post #2 of 31
11/1/07 at 4:57pm
http://chud.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103368&page=6

Call it an unwritten rule on message boards.
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post #3 of 31
11/1/07 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by Nelson
No one was bitching when the Jacksonville Jaguars gave Marino a 62-7 farewell.
That's because the Jaguars put their backups in for most of the second half. I don't have a problem if your second and third team scores on someone -- if they're defense cant' stop your backups, that's on them. It's when Brady's on the field with 5:00 minutes to go in a 42-0 game that I have a problem.
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post #4 of 31
11/1/07 at 6:00pm
I don't get why you have a problem at all. So what if Brady is in the game? It's not the other team's job to make you feel better about how bad you are.
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post #5 of 31
11/1/07 at 6:05pm
Because it's classless. Yes, they have the right to run up as many points as they want. And I have the right to send my third string linebacker in and have him late hit Brady's knee when they do. But you don't, because there's this thing called sportsmanship. You don't leave a clearly outmatched boxer in the ring for all 15 rounds, the ref steps in and stops the fight. Well, NFL refs can't do that, so a coach with any kind of class should know that nobody has ever scored 42 points in 5:00 minutes (especially when they haven't scored anything in the previous 55) and take their foot off the neck.

I'm not saying have your backups run up the middle 900 times, but your starting throwing deep up 42-0 with 5:00 minutes left in the game? That's bush-league bullshit.
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post #6 of 31
11/1/07 at 6:20pm
I said this in the NFL thread, but if the starting QB is "running it up" then knock the shit out of him. Take a 15 yarder and pop him in the chest. I'm not saying end his career, but a couple good shots will make him think about going long.

ETA: When I saw the title of the thread I thought is was going to be about the NFL coaches who are too afraid of hitting the QB.
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post #7 of 31
11/1/07 at 6:24pm
I thought it was going to be about Cheerleaders.
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post #8 of 31
11/1/07 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
And I have the right to send my third string linebacker in and have him late hit Brady's knee when they do.
Are you fucking kidding me? That's your comparison? Doing something completely legal is the same thing as sending out a player to purposefully injure another?

That's fucked up.
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post #9 of 31
11/1/07 at 6:34pm
Okay, the knee comment was extreme, but it's not far from what everyone says these teams should do -- look at Jcassady's post above. When people's response to what you're doing is to suggest something illegal, you're obviously doing something wrong, even if it's legal.
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post #10 of 31
11/1/07 at 6:58pm
That's such a pussy move. You can't stop a team, so you're going to send a message, not by playing harder, but by cheapshoting. That doesn't make any point other than you suck.

Boxing refs don't stop a fight just because it's over, they stop it so that no one else gets injured, and well, that's the way boxing is. Matches can end before the alloted time limit. That's not the case in football. You play for 60 minutes, and if you're losing, you suck it up and go out there and try to make a play.
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post #11 of 31
11/1/07 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
That's such a pussy move. You can't stop a team, so you're going to send a message, not by playing harder, but by cheapshoting. That doesn't make any point other than you suck.
It's a total bully move, but I'd rather look like a bully losing 42-3 than a pussy losing 56-3.
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post #12 of 31
11/1/07 at 7:23pm
It's not remotely a bully move. What the Patriots are doing is a bully move. Pouting and crying and ultimately going after someone because they're so much better than you are is a total pussy play.
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post #13 of 31
11/1/07 at 7:29pm
Why are people defending this? It's completely without class, and not surprising at all considering the source.
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post #14 of 31
11/1/07 at 7:31pm
As I said in the other thread...

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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Evoking 'class' in a conversation about sports is one of the major signs of a total loser. Another is crying about running up the score.
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post #15 of 31
11/1/07 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
As I said in the other thread...
That is completely ridiculous.
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post #16 of 31
11/1/07 at 7:55pm
There have been cries of running it up in the NFL before (Jack Pardee anyone?) but the difference here is, you've got a team that's running it up AFTER they've made a name for themselves. It'd be like the Steelers in 1980 all of a sudden deciding to just roll through people. Belichick doesn't care what the media thinks (obviously) and barely cares what the rest of the league thinks about him. He's got the championships and his plaque in Canton is all but engraved. I'm not so sure he'd even care if, two years down the road, some team runs it up 52-7 on him. He's out to prove a point this season that he has the most dominant team in NFL history and he doesn't care who gets in his way. On some level, I have to respect that.

Of course, on some other level, I hope some team kicks his ass this year at some point. Preferrably in the playoffs.
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post #17 of 31
11/1/07 at 7:58pm
If nothing else, when your team has a huge lead like that you should take out your starters to avoid injury; what if Brady or Randy Moss suffered a season-ending injury during "garbage time" when the game was already out of reach?
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post #18 of 31
11/1/07 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by ChunkyLover53
If nothing else, when your team has a huge lead like that you should take out your starters to avoid injury; what if Brady or Randy Moss suffered a season-ending injury during "garbage time" when the game was already out of reach?
That would just be karma catching up to him.

You have to wonder how his team (Brady et al.) feels about this.

On the other hand, these guys are being paid to score touchdowns. If you don't like that another team can do it better than you, either get better yourself or find a new line of work.
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post #19 of 31
11/1/07 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by ChunkyLover53
If nothing else, when your team has a huge lead like that you should take out your starters to avoid injury; what if Brady or Randy Moss suffered a season-ending injury during "garbage time" when the game was already out of reach?
I think more than anything, Belichick doesn't believe in Prevent Offense (run, run, run, punt) late in the game. He gives Brady offensive control and when Tom steps to the line, he can audible to a pass or run. If he sees an opening, whether it's the first qtr or fourth qtr, he's going to take it until he's out of the game. Opposing defenses shouldn't just plan to stop the run despite the disparity on the scoreboard.
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post #20 of 31
11/1/07 at 8:25pm
Another question I asked in the other thread, but does anyone know if the other teams had put their second-team defenses in the game? It seems to me that it's on the losing team to concede, not the winning team. If they've still got their first string guys out there, why shouldn't the Pats?
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post #21 of 31
11/1/07 at 11:36pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
That's because the Jaguars put their backups in for most of the second half. I don't have a problem if your second and third team scores on someone -- if they're defense cant' stop your backups, that's on them. It's when Brady's on the field with 5:00 minutes to go in a 42-0 game that I have a problem.

The point is that it's not the first time it happens....it's been going on probably forever and it's become an issue until now.

Your problem should be with a defense that can't manage to analyze their competition after being smacked around for a full half.
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post #22 of 31
11/2/07 at 12:07am
The only thing that really bugs me about all this is the whining. You got your clock cleaned, son. Don't bitch about it, get out there and do something about it.

As far as what happens between the lines, I actually agree with both GFC and Cassady. It's professional football. They get paid to play until the clock strikes 0:00. They should be going hard. At the same time, the defense should be doing everything they can to stop it, so long as it's within the rules (in the same way that scoring a shitload of points is completely within the rules). Put a good lick on Welker when he comes across the middle. Knock Brady down. Stand Maroney up at the line and put him on his back. Provided you can do any of this, of course. The point is, the game plan's clearly not going to change, so you've got to affect the effectiveness of the players executing it. I'm not saying cheapshots. I'm saying find the guy with the ball and pop the shit out of him.

(Of course, if you were doing this for the last 50 minutes, you might not be down 45-0.)
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post #23 of 31
11/2/07 at 12:32am
But there's going to come games where one team is clearly outmatched beyond any hope of competing. It's like asking the 98 pound weakling to stand up to the 300 pound bully -- telling him fight back isn't going to do a lot of good.
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post #24 of 31
11/2/07 at 12:41am
I don't see how your example equates to the NFL, though. Yes, the Redskins were overmatched in that game, but they knew exactly what they were getting into, and the playing field was supposedly level. It's not as though the Patriots had some sort of inherently unfair advantage, like being 300 pounds to 98. They just had superior coaching and execution.

Plus, I mean, this is what the Redskins get paid to do. That's what seems to be getting lost here. If you work for an some company and another company in the industry is just kicking your ass in sales, you don't throw up your hands and complain about the other company piling up sales, you know? You make do with your resources and plug away. And that other company has no obligation to let its foot off the gas.
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post #25 of 31
11/2/07 at 1:34am
I think it's bullshit too.
It's not some big public school against a bunch of peewees. It's the best of the best who get paid to do it. If you can destroy a team than do it.
I do understand taking players like brady out in case of injury, but he's not getting touched.
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post #26 of 31
11/2/07 at 4:15am
I remember a game some time back where the coach was plowed over by a defender on the sidelines (I think it was on accident) and broke his leg. If that "accidentally" happened to Bellicheck, I would laugh I think.

Seriously, though. No team should try to purposfully injure Brady, but if a defensive player gets pissed off enough about the running up of the score, it could happen. Think Romanowski. That guy would take out Brady's knee and then poke his eye out just for good measure. I guarantee there are still players in the NFL who would do the same.

It's dangerous to keep the starters in after the game is out of control, and it could come back to hurt them if they aren't careful.
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post #27 of 31
11/2/07 at 1:47pm
It wasn't like the Redskins were some team that would have trouble competing against a college team. They were at the time, the best in opposing QB rating and had the 5th best defense overall. Their second year qb stepped into quicksand and they rolled over.

Also, in a sport that's dangerous enough as it is, the threat of someone injuring another player because they got their feelings hurt is bush league.
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post #28 of 31
11/3/07 at 12:42pm
Pats running up the score does not surprise me, it's BB using all this we are the hated crap to pump up his team and they are playing like they have this huge chip on their shoulder when they where the ones cheating to begin with, but then you they have..

Players on HGH
Fake injuries to stop the clock

I'm waiting to see Brady try and run the ball in for a score, I'm not saying that someone is going to injure him on purpose, but I can picture Bob Sanders doing a lot of damage...
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post #29 of 31
11/3/07 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Bell
It's not some big public school against a bunch of peewees. It's the best of the best who get paid to do it. If you can destroy a team than do it.
I do understand taking players like brady out in case of injury, but he's not getting touched.
Yep. I think it IS classless to run up the score, but in the NFL, they're all professionals. If Belicheck wants to risk what might be a season-destroying strategic error by leaving Brady and other key starters in well past the point a game is pretty much decided, that's his business.

When you start getting down to college level, it becomes an entirely different argument, to say nothing of HS. But in the NFL, every team has the same opportunities to be good. Every team could have drafted Tom Brady (several times over). 20 teams could have drafted Moss initially, and any team could have traded a 2nd round pick for him this year. Every team has the same opportunities in the draft (actually, shitty teams have BETTER options), every team can spend on free agents. In the NFL, if you suck 40+ points worse than another team, it's your own damn fault.
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post #30 of 31
11/3/07 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by Starving Dog
I remember a game some time back where the coach was plowed over by a defender on the sidelines (I think it was on accident) and broke his leg. If that "accidentally" happened to Bellicheck, I would laugh I think.
I'm surprised there aren't more "run to the coach" plays called late in games like the Pats/Was debacle. It's probably easier and I can't imagine you could get flagged for that - what would they call, unnecessary roughness on a non-player?

Oh yeah, that was a Wisco-Penn State game, JoePa went down. The Badgers were so tough last year they knocked COACHES out of games.
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post #31 of 31
11/3/07 at 3:43pm
The only thing I'll chime in here with is how dumb it is overall. Brady doesn't need the reps, I'm sure there's some 3rd stringer with a clipboard who would love to get out there and throw a couple passes, why bother risking the golden arm against a beaten team? They're still undefeated, do they feel like they have something to prove?
Sad to say, while I generally don't like the Colts (I live in Baltimore after all) I'll be rooting for them tomorrow.
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