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post #1 of 81
Thread Starter 
I really can't think of another performer who has built such amazing work on top of such a mountain of crap. I honestly don't know what to think of the guy.

I think that Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and The Truman Show were both incredible pieces of acting on his part. He'll turn in something like this and then turn around and do Fun With Dick & Jane or Bruce Almighty. I understand that these projects pay the bills so that he can do the good movies that nobody apparently sees. It just kind of depresses me that the general audience is so adamantly opposed to seeing him do good work. His best films consistently fail to perform.

I suppose Bill Murray might be a good example of a predecessor to Carrey. Look how long it took for him to be recognized as a legitimate actor.
post #2 of 81
Cool thread. I agree, Carrey's work really runs the gamut in regards to quality, and I'm ashamed to admit that I've only seen 1/3 of Eternal Sunshine. I plan to rectify that issue soon.

Love: The Truman Show, Man on the Moon, The Cable Guy. Parts of The Majestic.

Hate: Batman Forever, The Grinch, Bruce Almighty. Parts of The Majestic.
post #3 of 81
Fully agree. Just look at his last piece of shit Number 23. Seriously, what was that?

I loved Sunshine and Man on the Moon, liked the Majestic, Truman and Irene, but beyond? Couldn't do much with the Grinch, Almighty and Snicket. Carrey is an outstanding performer, but only if the material's right. Just look at how poor Dick & Jane came off. That must have been the unfunniest Carrey comedy ever.
post #4 of 81
I grew up with Fire Marshall Bill, which then segued to Ace Ventura right around the time I hit third grade. At the time, Carrey was a comedy god, and while I do think he is still funny as hell, it's his work in ESotSM, Truman, Cable Guy and Man on the Moon that I really remember him for. Maybe it's because I'm an adult now and can tell the difference between shit and Shadyac, but it's like Greg said, amazing work on top of a pile of shit.

I really started to appreciate Cable Guy once I met someone as batshit insane as Chip. It still sends shivers down my spine when I watch it, because I've been stuck with people that are so lonely they latch onto whoever bothers to give them the time of day.
post #5 of 81
Actually, I would go so far as to say that he's stopped testing himself, so dependent on those big salaries and above-the-title billings. If he could put his ego away and accept a supporting role working on a pretty good project, I'd be interested, but as long as he keeps working with a sea of awful directors, I have lost interest in him. And "Number 23", christ. I mean, really.
post #6 of 81
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Originally Posted by innsmouthlook81
When Carrey hosted SNL while Ferrell was a cast member was gold.
RIDE THE SNAKE

I would be very suspicious of a Ferrel/Carrey combo nowadays, as they both have the clout to make the most self-indulgent project ever should they feel the need to outdo each other. Which they would.
post #7 of 81
Like Chris mentioned earlier - when the material is right, Carrey is on his game - he's turned in great dramatic performances (ESOTSM, Truman, Man on the Moon), as well as great comedic work. But, like any other actor, give him shit to work with, and the performance will likely disappoint.

He mentioned in an early interview that he wanted to emulate James Stewart career-wise: comedies, dramas, etc. and have a great, memorable, career as an actor first, then a comedian. Taking roles like "Number 23", while not the greatest pic, at least has Carrey trying something different, and hopefully expanding his skills a bit.
post #8 of 81
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Originally Posted by Greg David
I really can't think of another performer who has built such amazing work on top of such a mountain of crap. I honestly don't know what to think of the guy.
Also known as pulling a Cage.
post #9 of 81
I will always be a Carrey fan. I loved him back when he was still billed as "James" Carrey and to this day I believe Ace Ventura is a work of genius and that The Cable Guy is vastly underrated.

I'd argue he's very much a product of his director, rather than dependent on the scripts. There are just certain people that are able to pull things out of Carrey that other directors can't.

Also in reference to Chris, I'd say that Snicket was a perfect role for Carrey as it required his usual over-the-top mugging.

Lastly, while people are mentioning Carrey's amazing dramatic work, I'd also argue that his earlier comedies are classics. Ace Ventura, The Mask, and Dumb & Dumber hold up today and kids are still discovering their greatness.

Oh, and my favorite skit from his SNL hosting ep is hot tub lifeguard!
post #10 of 81
Anyone heard of his next, "Yes Man"? He's playing a guy who - now that's great - can't say "no".

This sounds as shitty as the unproduced "Used Guys" callboy comedy he wanted to do with Ben Stiller.
post #11 of 81
I just want the man to do some non-kid-friendly shit for once. Not that ME, MYSELF AND IRENE was anything too special(although I do find it fairly humorous), but everyone's tired of the Jim-Carrey-in-a-crazy-situation concept.

And almost a dozen posts before DUMB AND DUMBER is named? I always thought that was Jim Carrey at his comedic best.
post #12 of 81
Thread Starter 
I tried to argue with that statement, but I couldn't remember anything that's made me laugh as hard as the hot pepper eating scene.
post #13 of 81
When I was younger I was a Jim Carrey fanatic. I watched both Ace Ventura's multiple times as well as The Mask, and I caught Dumb n' Dumber no less than 6 times in the theater my freshman year of high school. When The Grinch first came out I tried telling myself it was comedy gold, but I slapped myself out of that idiocy when it hit video. My love for the man has tempered over time (I have yet to see Dick and Jane, and 23 for that matter), but I still watch his early films occasionally and laugh my ass off and, like I mentioned in the ESOTSM thread, the character of Joel Barish is one of my fav's of all time.
post #14 of 81
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Originally Posted by Greg David
I tried to argue with that statement, but I couldn't remember anything that's made me laugh as hard as the hot pepper eating scene.
Agreed, if only for "Why don't you eat up and we'll tell ya?"
post #15 of 81
Fun With Dick & Jane wasn't THAT bad...

The Number 23, Bruce Almighty and Batman Forever were.

But, like some other people on the board, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind was an incredibly powerful film experience for me and I can't imagine anybody else except Carrey in the role. If Queen Latifah can get an Oscar nomination, then Carrey should've swept as Joel.

The news of Tim Burton directing Carrey in Ripley's Believe It or Not! made me daydream about potential scenes more than most other movies do. It was damn depressing to read about Burton bailing.
post #16 of 81
See, I gotta say that Dick and Jane was that bad. As all over the place as Bruce Almighty was it had a few big laughs mixed in whereas Jane was pure shite.

Still when he gets the right material few are better, see ACE, Liar Liar, Cable Guy. And Man on the Moon was just fantastic. One of the most underrated films in years in my book.
post #17 of 81
And this might belong in a thread about my bad taste, but I find both ACE VENTURA films to be funny.

The sequel is just a rehash of course, but I have very strong feelings for the rhino scene.

"Kinda hot in these rhinooos"
post #18 of 81
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by BTSMGL
But, like some other people on the board, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind was an incredibly powerful film experience for me and I can't imagine anybody else except Carrey in the role. If Queen Latifah can get an Oscar nomination, then Carrey should've swept as Joel.
The difference, of course, is that people actually saw Chicago. If Eternal Sunshine had been a big hit (which it had no chance in hell of being), things would have been different.
post #19 of 81
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Originally Posted by Nick Hexum
And this might belong in a thread about my bad taste, but I find both ACE VENTURA films to be funny.

The sequel is just a rehash of course, but I have very strong feelings for the rhino scene.

"Kinda hot in these rhinooos"

Fuck it. I like both enough to own them on DVD and to quote them at least twice every other day.

Let the neg-reps begin.
post #20 of 81
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Pvt. Spunkmeyer
Fuck it. I like both enough to own them on DVD and to quote them at least twice every other day.

Let the neg-reps begin.
Yes, we're going to neg rep your for liking a comedy, you rebel you.
post #21 of 81
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Originally Posted by Greg David
Yes, we're going to neg rep your for liking a comedy, you rebel you.

I knew it. I see how it is around these parts. Well, if I'm this far in I might as well out myself 100%...

...I LIKE LIAR, LIAR!

...shit.
post #22 of 81
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Originally Posted by Greg David
The difference, of course, is that people actually saw Chicago. If Eternal Sunshine had been a big hit (which it had no chance in hell of being), things would have been different.
Meh, Adaptation got like two or three acting noms and made only $22 mil against ESotSM's $34 mil.

Not convinced, nuh-uh!
post #23 of 81
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Pvt. Spunkmeyer
I knew it. I see how it is around these parts. Well, if I'm this far in I might as well out myself 100%...

...I LIKE LIAR, LIAR!

...shit.
Actually, I was surprised at how much I liked Liar, Liar. It was completely predictable, but it was a good ride.
post #24 of 81
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Originally Posted by Greg David
Actually, I was surprised at how much I liked Liar, Liar. It was completely predictable, but it was a good ride.

That it is. And I must admit that I've broken the ice many a time with little kids (who I'm usually horrible around) by breaking out "THE CLAWWWW!!!!"
post #25 of 81
I was a big fan of Carrey because of In Living Color. Loved the first Ace Ventura, The Mask, Dumb & Dumber.

I'm hoping to see Eternal Sunshine soon.
post #26 of 81
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Originally Posted by Mattimus
Maybe it's because I'm an adult now and can tell the difference between shit and Shadyac
what difference?
post #27 of 81
I saw THE MASK for the first time since I was about 9 years old the other day:

Carrey's comedy schtick is aged REALLY badly. I don't know how any human could stand in front of a camera and say sssmmmokin and other key catchphrases without any degree of shame, but Carrey managed. All scenes with The Mask character were almost unwatchable.

On the other hand, when he was in Stanley Ipkiss mode, he was an engaging, intimate, massively likeable lead, to such a successful degree that the only interest in watching the movie was to see if he made out out of the movie OK.

Spoiler: he does!

In short: great actor, awful mid-90s flash-in-the-pan comedian.
post #28 of 81
You do realize the Mask character was supposed to be obnoxious and over-the-top, right?

Also, can people stop pretending like being a fan of Jim Carrey comedies - particularly Ace Ventura, which pulled in millions of dollars worldwide - makes you a rebel? It was a huge hit. You're hardly in the minority on this one.
post #29 of 81
Carrey made some really bad choice lately and as far as comedy is concerned, physical comedians get creepy as they age. There's something unsettling about a man approaching his fifties mugging to the camera.
post #30 of 81
I am a rebel for finding Eternal Sunshine "OK". No wait, I guess it just makes me dumb.
post #31 of 81
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Originally Posted by Mr.Eko
I love his early works, but I have to agree that his career has been really hit and miss.
Yeah, but who's career isn't. Seriously, can people really name an actor who has only starred in hits? Even so, Carrey has more hits than bombs -- t's just that his stinkers are on a colossal scale. Other than Batman Forever (which isn't even really a Carrey film), The Grinch, and Dick & Jane, his supposedly "bad" films aren't really all that bad. Well, 23 was awful but Carrey's performance in it wasn't.

Bruce Almighty is at worst generic, but has some really laugh-out-loud moments. Me, Myself, & Irene is a gross-out movie that delivers on its crude & rude jokes. Liar, Liar is just a fun flick - it's not breaking any creative boundaries but it's not comically offensive either. And The Cable Guy was an interesting satire of the whole "Hand that Rocks the Cradle" genre of movies in which a disturbed individual takes over one's life.

Then we have his hits - comedic and dramatic - as already discussed in this thread. Now I realize that most film buffs will dismiss Carrey's comedies as crap. But there's no denying their mass appeal. Ace Ventura, Llyod Christmas, and Stanley Ipkiss are likable guys. Sure they are lunatics, but you can't help but root for them. And as the god awful sequels Evan Almighty and Son of the Mask show, Jim Carrey is a major reason their predecessors were so great. You just cant stick in any old actor and expect the movie to sell.
post #32 of 81
I saw his stand up act on HBO way back in 1983 or so and most of his movies have never fully captured his raw comedic energy. Akin to Robin Williams on fire doing stand up and then having to watch him die in the movies, although Carey has a more impressive resume than Williams.

Movies, for the most part, are very unkind to comedians unless they do stretch their proverbial wings and do bits of drama every so often. Carey is at least believable when he does them. One of his best dramatic turns has probably never been seen by the Chudders, a tv movie from 1992, called 'Doing Time on Maple Drive", typical tv movie family drama stuff, but Carey was amazing, a restrained and balanced performance as an alcoholic.
post #33 of 81
I appreciate and respect his desire to take on movies like 'the Number 23'. I hope that he is able to find a breakthrough non-comedic role again while he still has some bankability. 'Man on the Moon' and 'Truman Show' both show that he can do it and transcend the physical comedy roles that he's known for. I really need to finally see 'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind' one of these days.
post #34 of 81
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Originally Posted by General Zod
One of his best dramatic turns has probably never been seen by the Chudders, a tv movie from 1992, called 'Doing Time on Maple Drive", typical tv movie family drama stuff, but Carey was amazing, a restrained and balanced performance as an alcoholic.
Good call. I didn't mention it as I figured no one else had seen it, but it warms my heart that someone else has.
post #35 of 81
DUMB AND DUMBER is easily his best comedy. Daniels and him are perfect together. ME, MYSELF, AND IRENE takes the silver. That one gets dumped on all the time for no good reason. Carrey is tremendously funny in that movie.

Based on those two I would suggest that Carrey work with the Farrelly brothers again. But since they've only made shit since IRENE that would not be a good move.

I remember one afternoon when DICK AND JANE came on cable. I gave it a shot and I was stunned that I was actually enjoying it for about the first half hour as Carrey loses his job and tries to find another. I was wondering if everyone missed the boat on this one. Then Carrey and Leoni started pulling off their robberies and the thing went to hell real quick.

I don't mind Carrey wanting to try stuff like NUMBER 23, but he has got to be careful which directors he trusts with material like that. Early on when he started doing more dramas he was working with guys like Weir, Forman, and Frank Darabont. He could look at their track records and feel somewhat confident that they wouldn't fuck up. But when it comes to Schumacher and NUMBER 23 all Carrey should have done was watch 8MM to see that the guy isn't gifted with twisted thrillers.

If he's going to do another drama he needs to limit himself to working with guys who know what they're doing. If he can't hook up with a Scorsese, Scott, Mann, or Spielberg then he should probably pass.
post #36 of 81
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Originally Posted by Diva
Also, can people stop pretending like being a fan of Jim Carrey comedies - particularly Ace Ventura, which pulled in millions of dollars worldwide - makes you a rebel? It was a huge hit. You're hardly in the minority on this one.
Ace Ventura did as much as Little Man and only a bit more than Date Movie and Epic Movie.
post #37 of 81
I'm sure you are just trying to get some cool cred by calling me out for mentioning box office numbers, but are you seriously arguing that Epic Movie or Little Man are on par with Ace Ventura? Ace catchphrases have permeated our society, a (shitty) cartoon aired on Saturday morning for kids, a slew of knock off movies attempted to cash in on the Ace Ventura craze -- Ace became part of the 1990's pop culture zeitgeist. Additionally, the success of Ace is credited for boosting Jim Carrey's career. Seriously, how any one could claim that Ace Ventura wasn't widely popular is just beyond belief.
post #38 of 81
Liking Ace Ventura as an adult doesn't make you an iconoclast, it just makes you kind of an idiot. It's great for 12 year olds, but it's not juvenile in a great way (see: Dumb and Dumber), it's just juvenile.

Agree with Molt on Irene being underrated. It has some really great bits ranging from the very broad to subtle. My favorite bit is one little line when Irene says she's from "all over, really," and Bad Carrey goes "Omnipresence. I like that in a woman."
post #39 of 81
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Originally Posted by Chris Myers
Ace Ventura did as much as Little Man and only a bit more than Date Movie and Epic Movie.
Yes, but it did also spawn a cartoon TV show, a sequel, and a successful comedic career for Carrey. And there's at least a ten year difference between ACE VENTURA and the three movies you compared it's box office results to.

Edit: Diva beat me to it.
post #40 of 81
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Originally Posted by Chris Myers
Ace Ventura did as much as Little Man and only a bit more than Date Movie and Epic Movie.
In 1994. Coming out of nowhere and starring a nobody.
post #41 of 81
When people are saying they're a "rebel" for liking the ACE films I don't think they mean it as enjoying something under the radar. They're speaking more in terms of liking a couple films that are viewed as rather dumb by most adults. I haven't seen the first ACE in probably a decade, but I'm betting it doesn't hold up as well as DUMB AND DUMBER.

Another thing about Carrey. I don't care what movie he might be shilling, when he is on Letterman or Conan it is a must see. With the exception of Norm Macdonald he may be my favorite guy to be on those shows. Here's a clip I've always loved where Carrey shows Letterman how he plans to celebrate the year 2000:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_2cSqFNUFIk
post #42 of 81
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Hilarious. And you have to admit it, when the MTV Movie Awards was still mildly watchable in the early-to-mid 90's(at least to me), Jim Carrey was one of the funniest mother fuckers that went up on stage, almost always topping his appearance from the previous year.
post #43 of 81
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
When people are saying they're a "rebel" for liking the ACE films I don't think they mean it as enjoying something under the radar. They're speaking more in terms of liking a couple films that are viewed as rather dumb by most adults. I haven't seen the first ACE in probably a decade, but I'm betting it doesn't hold up as well as DUMB AND DUMBER.
Still doesn't make you a rebel - just a person who likes dumb movies. There are dozens of stupid movies that get made every year because millions of people are willing to go see them. Liking dumb movies is status quo.
post #44 of 81
I'm pretty surprised that we have esteemed chewers who haven't see ESOTSM, not so much for the Carrey factor, but for the Kaufman/Gondry factor. Seriously, if you guys haven't seen it, go out tonight and rent it, it's highly excellent.

I'm in the same boat where I loved Ace when it came out, but I think that's because I was in middle school, and Carrey was coming off of his whole Living Color stint, and Ace was similar in nature. I caught it on TV a couple years ago, and I remember being surprised I used to like it so much. Dumb and Dumber, on the other hand, I could still watch once every six months and laugh my ass off. Cable guy I could still watch once a year and laugh.

As for his non-comedic, or less comedic roles, I LOVED Truman Show, obviously love ESOTSM, I liked Man on the Moon (more for the soundtrack, though, and Danny Devito), but I fell asleep during The Majestic. Man that was boring.
post #45 of 81
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Originally Posted by Nick Hexum
Hilarious. And you have to admit it, when the MTV Movie Awards was still mildly watchable in the early-to-mid 90's(at least to me), Jim Carrey was one of the funniest mother fuckers that went up on stage, almost always topping his appearance from the previous year.
For while there, it seemed like MTV was making up reasons to give Carrey an award just to get him on stage. It was always the highlight of the show, from trying to make out with Will Smith to dressing like an unshaven Steve McQueen and declaring that there was a lot of fine pussy in the room, he always made it worth watching. I particularly loved the speech where he outed MTV's entire motivation for the show. "How do we get a bunch of celebrities in one place? I know, we'll give them an award! That way, if they don't come, everyone will think they're ungrateful! IT'S GENIUS!"
post #46 of 81
Play more Foghat!!!
post #47 of 81
Not a fan of the Truman Show at all, but I dearly love The Majestic.
post #48 of 81
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Originally Posted by Greg David
For while there, it seemed like MTV was making up reasons to give Carrey an award just to get him on stage. It was always the highlight of the show, from trying to make out with Will Smith to dressing like an unshaven Steve McQueen and declaring that there was a lot of fine pussy in the room, he always made it worth watching. I particularly loved the speech where he outed MTV's entire motivation for the show. "How do we get a bunch of celebrities in one place? I know, we'll give them an award! That way, if they don't come, everyone will think they're ungrateful! IT'S GENIUS!"
My personal favorite will always be when he busted out some Jesus Christ Superstar at the VMAs. He had some really decent Oscar bits too.

Anyway, Truman Show is probably my favorite Carrey flick, but I'm a big Liar, Liar fan. I think it and Dumb and Dumber are the best of his mainstream comedies.
post #49 of 81
I like Ace Ventura. Its a fun comedy, great comedic performance by Carrey, and its a decent P.I. story. Dumb and Dumber is still one of my favorite comedies and The Cable Guy was suitably creepy.

He should hook up with Apatow or McKay, preferably Apatow because I'm not sure McKay could put Carrey's dramatic skills to use as well as his comedy skills like Apatow could.


And he does a great Caruso:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HJSqkwyL1Zo
post #50 of 81
Nicholson and The Rock have nothing on Carrey's eyebrows.

I consider myself a fan, and yeah, I'm a little sad that Burton's Ripley flick didn't happen.
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