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post #1 of 24
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This is aimed mainly at parents, but prospective parents (or anyone else w/ an opinion) feel free to join in.

One of my co-workers showed up the day after Halloween w/ a huge bowl of candy. I almost took some until I realized from a comment he made that this was not leftover trick or treater fare, as I first assumed. It was his kids' take. he let them have a little bit of it, and took the rest. Rumor has it they got a whopping 3 pieces each. Granted, this WAS a HUGE amount of candy, but but it still seems wrong to just cold take it. I mean, sure, you wanna ration it out, maybe even take SOME of it, but to take MOST of it? I'd have been pissed, if my folks had done that. God bless 'em, they didn't.

Which got me into a discussion with him and the other parent in the room about limits for one's kids. It turned (at my direction) in the direction of reading and viewing material. Both these parents, who were all in favor of Operation: Candyswipe, agreed that reading/viewing material should be heavily regulated. Alas, I think my wife is too.

I pointed out to these two that I started reading actual novels at age 9 or so, and my chosen medium was horror fiction. Cujo was the first of these books I read, and I haven't stopped since. Since I enjoyed the material so much, I developed a lifelong love of reading, which (not to toot my own horn) I think has paid off in a great deal of academic and later career success by providing me with considerable reading and writing skills. I am only now coming to appreciate the fact that my folks were just happy I was reading, and didn't really care too much what it was I was reading, and placed virtually no restrictions on me. Ditto, a few years later my chosen viewing material (mainly horror films). They never told me I couldn't read or rent this or that book/movie.

Now, this is not to say that I'd approve of my son having access to porn, or that I'd show him Dawn of the Dead at age 5 or something. I was kind of a horror puss until I was 9, and avoided scary movies like the plague before that. I suppose the question ultimately depends on the maturity level of the child, but if (S)he is mature enough to handle the subject matter, I see nothing wrong with letting him go for it. A few horror fans I know have said the same thing; their folks allowed (and in at least one case,actively encouraged) them to read horror fiction, which many of today's (if you ask me) overprotective parents would disapprove of because of the often violent, disturbing subject matter.

I've seen posts, written half in jest in many cases, it seems to me, 'round these parts about how someone's Dad showed them NOTLD at age 8, and they plan to do the same for their son when the time comes. My question is: how do you feel, whether you have kids or not, about this issue? Have you, or will you, allow your child more or less unrestricted access to horror fiction, if they show an interest in it? I for my part think if I was stuck reading crappy, boring "young adult" fiction, I may not have developed the love of reading, or of horror, that I derive so much joy from now, and on which so much of my academic and legal careers were based. If my kid's as mature as I like to think I was at that age, I'm all for lettin' him tear thru the old collection. Share your thoughts, and once again, thanks Mom & Dad.
post #2 of 24
No kids here, but I think books are fair game, because the kid's own imagination is going to limit whatever horrifying things might be on the page. In a novel you could describe the most terrifying things imaginable in all sorts of horrific detail, but to a certain degree a child's mind will blunt those images, if only because they don't have as much of a frame of reference as an adult does. As opposed to movies, where you're being shown something that you can't imagine away.
post #3 of 24
I think, like most things, it comes down to degrees. Stephen King is probably okay for a mature 10 or 11 year old who's exhibited an interest, but it depends on the King. I'm sure there's shit in some of the early novels he won't understand, but that's where the parents come in. But Jack Ketchum? Clive Barker? I think a much, much greater maturity level is required for those. At least high school, and even then, probably only Jr.-Sr. level.

That's not to say I'm saying "Hide the books!", but I think that what is required above all are parents who are willing to have a conversation with their children about what they're reading, why they're reading it, and how it's affecting them.

I say this as a non-parent.
post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by Kevin K
No kids here, but I think books are fair game, because the kid's own imagination is going to limit whatever horrifying things might be on the page. In a novel you could describe the most terrifying things imaginable in all sorts of horrific detail, but to a certain degree a child's mind will blunt those images, if only because they don't have as much of a frame of reference as an adult does. As opposed to movies, where you're being shown something that you can't imagine away.
I think this is very true. Part of the reason I was maybe able to stomach so much of it early on was my own callow lack of life experince. I have noticed certain things affecting me much more deeply now than they ever did before.

And as for Jack Ketchum, I forgot about him. The Girl Next Door came out when I was 12, but I just heard about it and read it this year. I wonder what the 12 year old me would have made of it? I think I would have been OK w/ Off Season, and probably would have thought it was a GREAT book, being the gore hound that I am.
post #5 of 24
I think there should be limits, like no super-hard, sex, violence, whatever, literature, but if the kid displays an active and eager interest in, say, Stephen King and is of the maturity level that you believe can handle the story, then let him/her. Look after what they read and always remind them that this is just a story and that the words can't hurt you and more importantly, don't go doing this to anyone.

Give the kid limits, but make em wide enough for him to get a full range of experience and literature. There's a hella lot of stuff out there worth reading and he/she deserves a shot at all of it.

Also, I'd also tell parents not to force their kids into watching/reading/liking something they have no interest in or actively dislike. If the kid isn't feeling NotLD, for instance, don't keep pestering him. That'd only drive him away. Maybe he'll come across it later and enjoy it more when he can read more into the themes and messages Romero is displaying.

And for Operation: Candyswipe? Fuck that shit. I believe that is listed in the Geneva Convention under 'cruel and unusual punishment' and definitely violates the entrepreneurial spirit of the holiday. Unless you want the kid to learn that whatever he makes will be taxed and taken away by "the man" (in this case, YOU) at that young an age. He earned that candy, dammit!
post #6 of 24
I'm not a parent and hopefully by the time I get to be one I'll be older, wiser, and thus my opinions may change. But if I had to make a call right now, I'd ease them into it, if they show any interest at all. Start with some black and white films, more spooky than visceral and violent. Gremlins, Poltergeist, and the Disney film "Watcher in the Woods" ( a super-scary film for a kid, if I remember correctly).

R-Rated films with graphic violence, it would depend on the maturity. If I think they can handle it, I'd go as young as 14. If not, I'd tell 'em to wait 'til they're 17. I really wouldn't have too much trouble prohibiting them from viewing such content if I truly believe they couldn't handle it, for one reason or another. My parents were pretty strict (if inconsistent) about that sort of thing. Would I have been negatively affected if I had viewed violent films at a younger age? Probably not. But it didn't hurt me to wait, either.

If my kids are reading, they're reading, and that's a victory right there. So I won't knock that. In order to get the gruesome bits, they first gotta get the vocabulary and context, so it puts the moments of brutal violence in a more concrete context. If a child sees a horror film, they don't need to understand the rest of the film to be affected by a image of gruesome violence.
post #7 of 24
I really was one of those kids whose parents let them see everything. The very first film I saw was Hitchcock's "Frenzy" at a Drive-In when I was 5 years old. It's nice that a topless girl being strangled is currently the earliest childhood memory I can recollect. I watched everything, from the Saturday afternoon creature features, to every slasher available as soon as cable television made it to our house in 1982. Like Iggy, I adopted reading early on (around 8), but that was mostly because there weren't the myriad of entertainment options available back in the 70's we had today. Horror literature coupled with heavy doses of fantasy and Sci-Fi were, and remain a mainstay with me 33 years later.

Now I have a 4 year old, and decided not to rush out to show him every DVD in my collection. I thought I'd let him find out what he likes from the bevy of kid friendly films/shows available today. Not suprisingly, he's been drawn to every Scooby-Doo horror mystery movie/show he can find, to where I'm starting to think horror fandom is genetic. We're sticking with the animated kid-friendly shows for a while, but I have a feeling he'll be watching bad splatter flicks from Netflix by the time he's 10.
post #8 of 24
Yeah I think to an extent kids a pretty good at self censorship when it comes to waht scares them. I remember when I was a kid there was this Dinosaur documentary hosted by Christopher Reeve, that had these segments made especially for it with state of the art stop animation. There was a bit where a monoclonious (why do I remember that?) wandered into a Trex den and had a fight with a Rex that scared the crap out of me, but I could sit through it, but there was another scene where a Struthiomimous (again why?) started eating these duckbilled dinosaur eggs, then the momma and pappa duckbills came back and chased it away and were then sad and there impromptu abortion. The Struthiomimous thought he was safe in the jungle but then a pack of raptors (actually deinonichous's) happened upon him and carved the shit out of him. And I'd HAVE to hide behind the couch for that bit.

And that is how you let dinosaurs obscure the point of your post.
post #9 of 24
My five year old loves movies. Mostly, she loves movies because she can often get Daddy to watch them with her. But when she tries to choose the scary movies from my collection, I stop her with a "No, baby....that one's not for you yet."

Which makes her insane to see it.

This past Halloween she went on the "I love scary things" kick. And watched every episode of "Goosebumps" that could be aired on Nickleodeon. She did well until the next morning, when she'd complain of nightmares. And then she'd watch another episode that night.

At five she can't read yet, but she already likes the "shiverries", which I find amusing. Mom and I are really into horror flicks, and down the way we'll start leading her into the genre together.
post #10 of 24
You cant go wrong with Tree House of Terror from the Simpsons. Horror comedys. "Abbet and Costello meet the Wolfman"
post #11 of 24
Watching flicks like Labyrinth and the Mighty Joe Young remake with my 3 year old daughter lately... There's some intense/scary moments and she might clutch on to me or watch through her fingers, but then she request that same flick the next day. Halloween (holiday, not the Carpenter flick) holds that same repulsion/fascination with her as well, and she's always played the chase/scare games with me for the rush. I think if I ease her in, and avoid things TOO soon, she just may be watching zombie flicks with her old man someday (something her Mom doesn't have the guts for).

I started reading King in Junior High (sister turned me onto it), always had a love for monsters in any form (dinos, aliens, mythology, etc), and got into the more intense horror flicks when I got into college.

What brought me to the genre (be gentle)...
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by travishall456
My wife and I had this discussion a few days ago. We have a little bundle of responsibility on the way (thank God we've finally hit the second trimester, FUCK morning sickness)...
Congrats!


Sucker.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by travishall456
anything Godzilla
any of the old BW classics (Wolfman, Dracula, Frankenstein, Creature from the Black Lagoon, THEM!, War of the World's, old Twilight Zones, etc)... no NOTLD...a little too real
The Monster Squad
Little Monsters
Gremlins 1&2
I went this route. Then the Universal Monsters gave my kid hella nightmares and he started climbing into the big bed at night.

And that was it for horror, at least for the time being.
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by BobClark
There's also a difference between "I snuck downstairs and watched The Exorcist when I was a kid!" and "My Dad sat down with me as a child and together we watched a little girl shove a crucifix into her vagina. Good times."
Wildly inappropriate movies are supposed to be viewed without parental consent. It's like a rite of passage.
Now we have "parental controls", but the internet presents an entirely new way to see things that shouldn't be seen by any human, regardless of age. We use to have to track down that bootleg vhs or stay up way past our bedtime... now, inappropriate stuff is right at everyone's fingertips. It's gonna be rough when my daughter starts using a computer.

It's a new era.
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8
now, inappropriate stuff is right at everyone's fingertips. It's gonna be rough when my daughter starts using a computer.
I'm rigging my computer to melt if anyone ever uses it to run a search for "two girls one cup."
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by BobClark
Start them out on the classics, not Stephen King. You can really do better than "Well it's crap, but at least he's reading!"
I NEVER meant to imply that I or my folks thought King was "crap". I meant that it was violent, scary, gory stuff. And it was the gateway drug of horror fiction, in that within a year of reading "Cujo", I devoured all the Poe I could get my hands on. And no one had to lead me to it. Found Edgar A all on my own, as I did Koontz, McCammon, Lovecraft, Barker, Stoker and the rest. I expect anyone who develops an interest in the genre will do likewise.
post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by travishall456
True, but he did sit me down to watch Nightmare on Elm Street when I was 6. Then. later that night, he snuck outside my bedroom window and ran 2 kitchen knives along a pipe to make the FK sound, until I woke up crying.

Also, when my youngest brother, Jacob, was 7, he let him watch the Legend of Boggy Creek and Silver Bullet, back-to-back. Then, after Jake went to sleep, he sat up a video camera and had one of my other brothers put on his Gorilla costume and climb in Jake's bedroom window. I now know what book blurbs mean when they use the term, "Sheer Terror!" Poor kid was traumatized for over a year (and he still HATES walking in front of windows after dark).

My dad's kinda fucked up. I think every member of my family has been scared shitless by him at one point or another.
While I think it's very cool that the old man sat & watched these flicks with you, the practical jokes were kind of fucked up. Not to say that wasn't hilariously funny (my family's a long line of practical jokers; my brother once pretended to fall asleep lbehind the wheel late one night on a long car ride thru North Carolina and scared the shit out of me; makes for a story the relatives all laugh at now). Although I can't explain it, I can understand the animus behind those gags. But personally, I think I wouldn't pull that on a 6 year old. Maybe a 9 year old. 10 for sure.

BTW, the list of early kid-friendly genre films you propose is great. Even before I got seriously "into" horror, I still loved Godzilla movies, and the Universal flicks, which I didn't find at all scary; just thought they were cool as hell.

And moving the Girl Next Door to the top shelf is probably a good idea. But keep "Off Season" in the middle.
post #18 of 24
I watched alot of horror behind my parents back and I turned out pretty good.

Doncha' think?



Anyway, as far as books go, my parents always urged me to read. I got into classics, Hardy Boys, choose your adventure, etc. I believe around 10 or 11 my mom let me get a few Stephen King books, like The Shining, etc. And let me read it. Of course I was hooked and had to read more.

For movies, my parents were big into just about anything, so eventually I was allowed to watch Raiders and other movies.
post #19 of 24
My mom's philosiphy seemed to be that if you can get your kid to be interested in reading, it really doesn't matter what they read as long as they enjoy it. I never got into the whole goosebumps thing when I was a kid because I was already reading more adult stuff. I remember a got in trouble because a parent who worked in the library at my elementary saw I was reading Rising Sun and she hadn't read the book or seen the movie but she HEARD about it. Well, my mom let me read Rising Sun because I was a big Michael Crichton fan from seeing Jurassic Park and then reading the far superior book of the same name. To this day, I have never raped a woman at a japanese coporation's party! The cool thing about letting your child read is that then you can have a discussion with them about things that you never would be able to. I think Harry Potter is so important because there needs to be something that attracts young kids to reading.
post #20 of 24
i am not a big king fan, and i never was but my older brother had several books so I would read them occasionally. reading is so important, i feel very strongly that kids should have to read and they should be allowed to read whatever they want so that they enjoy it.
post #21 of 24
as for watching horror or porn, man, some of my best childhood memories came from sneaking in viewings of movies that i wasn't allowed to see and the same goes for porn. discovering all that shit on your own is critical to a child's adolesnce. I was allowed to watch most r rated movies. the first one i got to see was die hard. but i can remember watching tales form the crypt at my neighbor's or the lost boys and those are important memories to me. i was only like 6 or 7 i think.
post #22 of 24
As a parent, I'll show my daughter some entry level horror when she's ready. Her mother and I are huge horror fans, and we have zombies, witches, ghosts, monsters, aliens, predators, godzillas, ultramen, skulls, pumpkins, robots, and all sorts of scary stuff all around the house. She's learning it's all just make believe. I was into horror from a very young age, I encourage it. Even stuff like Stephen King's books can make the young mind confront death in a very different way, just as any horror author can while the reader is at an impressionable age. My girl already responds to the "creepy" parts in certain animated films, and they seem very memorable to her as she recounts these scenes to me when the film is long past over. If she continues to express an interest, I will share more. But if that interest wanes, I won't force it on her.

I guess my final point is that it depends on the individual. Some of us are wired for it, some aren't.
post #23 of 24
just dont let her watch BRATZ because then she'll grow up to be a whore.
post #24 of 24
Yeah, for her last birthday someone got her one of those awful BRATZ dolls... We gave it to Goodwill the next day, although giving a whorish baby doll to charity isn't exactly "Goodwill".

Guess this really isn't off topic... those dolls look like they belong in a horror film...
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