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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
From the BBC:

At Congress, Mr Sarkozy was cheered for more than three minutes before he even began his 45-minute address through a translator.

In times of difficulty, in times of hardship, America and France have always stood side by side, supported one another, helped one another, fought for each other's freedom

He further delighted his audience by saying: "Let me tell you solemnly today, France will remain engaged in Afghanistan as long as it takes, because what's at stake in that country is the future of our values and that of the Atlantic alliance."

Mr Sarkozy, 52, did not discuss Iraq but said he wanted France to "resume its full role" in Nato's military command structure after several decades outside it.
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This is great. Really fabulous. Even during times of public dispute, the US and France have worked together smoothly in my professional experience. I couldn't be happier that that spirit of cooperation has finally percolated up to the Head of State level.
post #2 of 15
An end to Gaullism, you say? I can cope with that.

One thing that Americans have really lost sight of in the last decade is that our French jokes were just that: jokes. The move towards Freedom Fries and other signs of outright hatred of the French ignores a multi-century history that has shown France to be a great ally of ours.

I'm glad to see that fences are mending at that two great nations are going to be willing to wok together more cooperatively than in the recent past.

Incidentally, just remember: if it wasn't for the French, you'd all be speaking British right now.
post #3 of 15
I need to educate myself a little more about Sarkozy, but still, this sounds like very good news. The childish anti-French sentiment here in the States these past few years needs to die of suffocation. And God knows we need all the powerful allies we can get.
post #4 of 15
France is soft where our edges are hard, and tough where we are not. They are our oldest (if not closest, that's the limeys) ally, and their possess a sense of self I wish we had a fraction of.

I applaud anything that makes our countries closer.

So...good news. As JS said, we need all of the allies, powerful or not, we can get.
post #5 of 15
France's relevancy had waned dramatically under the Chirac regime, so let's hope Sarkozy can begin to restore it. I think he can -- electing him was a great move by the French.
post #6 of 15
Plus, he gets to spend $1.40 for every Euro in his wallet. What's not to love.
post #7 of 15
Ah, 1945 again? That explains why I don't see many Vichy French angry about these comments, I suppose.
post #8 of 15
I can't help but feel skeptical about France's renewed enthusiasm to bolster NATO in Afghanistan. That country will never be pacified by a foreign power, they're just throwing more bodies into the meat-grinder. I know it sounds crazy, but maybe the best thing is to get the hell out of there, let them grow their poppy, and allow the Taliban to come back into power.
post #9 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by eenin
I don't have anything against the French. Parisians though are a different story. They are like New Yorkers with a French accent, and who are overdosing on coke and progesterone at the same time.
And having abortions. Don't forget that one.

Communist abortions.
post #10 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by KBM
I know it sounds crazy, but maybe the best thing is to get the hell out of there, let them grow their poppy, and allow the Taliban to come back into power.
You're right.

It IS crazy.

It would be one thing if we could let them be and they would do the same, but it doesn't work that way.

Edited for change of wording
post #11 of 15
Interesting and underreported:

Quote:
Sarkozy calls for strong dollar policy

By Ben Hall in Washington

Published: November 7 2007 17:52 | Last updated: November 7 2007 19:48

President Nicolas Sarkozy of France on Wednesday urged the US to maintain a strong dollar policy, warning on his first official trip to Washington since being elected six months ago that “monetary disorder risked turning into economic war”.

In a speech in French to a joint session of Congress – the first by a French leader for 11 years – Mr Sarkozy also attacked the “excesses” of Wall Street, saying the land of free enterprise gave too much room for financial speculation.

Mr Sarkozy arrived in Washington promising to “reconquer the heart of America” after the divisions and bitterness that arose over the Iraq war. Relations between the French and US governments have warmed significantly since the rise to power of probably the most pro-American French leader for 50 years.

But Mr Sarkozy told US lawmakers that as an “independent ally”, he reserved the right to criticise US policy and behaviour.

He took aim at the weakness of the dollar – which hit record lows against the euro this week – saying that the world’s leading exponent of free trade “should be the first to promote fair exchange rates”.

“The yuan is already a problem for everybody. The dollar should not remain simply a problem for others. If we are not careful, monetary disorder risks descending into economic war, of which we would all be victims.”

Pro-Americans should also be the first to criticise “the vagaries and excesses of a financial capitalism that currently leaves too much room for financial speculation”, Mr Sarkozy said. The US should become “strongly engaged in the introduction of necessary [financial market] rules and safeguards,” he added.
Rest here.
post #12 of 15
Sarkozy's appointment of — doctors without borders founder — Bernard Kouchner as foreign minister is promising. He may be perpendicular to Sarkozy's political line, but Kouchner is definately a respected and knowledgeable world-figure.
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 
Here's an interesting perspective:

Washington Post
November 16, 2007
Pg. 33

Alliances In Ruins?

By Charles Krauthammer

When the Democratic presidential candidates pause from beating Hillary with a stick, they join in unison to pronounce the Democratic pieties, chief among which is that George Bush has left our alliances in ruins. As Clinton puts it, we have "alienated our friends," must "rebuild our alliances" and "restore our standing in the world." That's mild. The others describe Bush as having a scorched-earth foreign policy that has left us reviled and isolated in the world.

Like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, who insist that nothing of significance has changed in Iraq, the Democrats are living in what Bob Woodward would call a state of denial. Do they not notice anything?

France has a new president who is breaking not just with the anti-Americanism of the Chirac era but also with 50 years of Fifth Republic orthodoxy that defined French greatness as operating in counterpoise to America. Nicolas Sarkozy's trip last week to the United States was marked by a highly successful White House visit and a rousing speech to Congress in which he not only called America "the greatest nation in the world" (how many leaders of any country say that about another?) but also pledged solidarity with the United States on Afghanistan, Iran, Lebanon, the Middle East and nuclear nonproliferation. This just a few months after he sent his foreign minister to Iraq to signal an openness to cooperation and an end to Chirac's reflexive obstructionism.

That's France. In Germany, Gerhard Schroeder is long gone, voted out of office and into a cozy retirement as Putin's concubine at Gazprom. His successor is the decidedly pro-American Angela Merkel, who concluded an unusually warm visit with Bush this week.

All this, beyond the ken of Democrats, is duly noted by new British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who in an interview with Sky News on Sunday remarked on "the great change that is taking place," namely "that France and Germany and the European Union are also moving more closely with America."

As for our other traditional alliances, relations with Australia are very close, and Canada has shown remarkable steadfastness in taking disproportionate casualties in supporting the NATO mission in Afghanistan. Eastern European nations, traditionally friendly, are taking considerable risks on behalf of their U.S. alliance -- for example, cooperating with us on missile defense in the face of enormous Russian pressure. And ties with Japan have never been stronger, with Tokyo increasingly undertaking military and quasi-military obligations that it had forsworn for the past half-century.

So much for the disarray of our alliances.

The critics will say that all this is simply attributable to the rise of Russia and China causing old allies to turn back to us out of need.

So? I would even add that the looming prospect of a nuclear Iran has caused Arab states -- Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states, even Libya -- to rally to us. All true. And it makes the point that the Bush critics have missed for years -- that the strength of alliances is heavily dependent on the objective balance of international forces and has very little to do with the syntax of the U.S. president or the disdain in which he might be held by a country's cultural elites.

It's classic balance-of-power theory: Weaker nations turn to the great outside power to help them balance a rising regional threat. Allies are not sentimental about their associations. It is not a matter of affection but of need -- and of the great power's ability to deliver.

What's changed in the past year? Bush's dress and diction remain the same. But he did change generals -- and counterinsurgency strategy -- in Iraq. As a result, Iraq has gone from an apparently lost cause to a winnable one.

The rise of external threats to our allies has concentrated their minds on the need for the American connection. The revival of American fortunes in Iraq -- and the diminished prospect of an American rout -- have significantly increased the value of such a connection. This is particularly true among our moderate Arab allies who see us as their ultimate protection against an Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Hamas axis that openly threatens them all.

It's always uncomfortable for a small power to rely on a hegemon. But a hegemon on the run is even worse. Alliances are always shifting. But one thing we can say with certainty: The event that will have more effect than any other on the strength of our alliances worldwide is not another Karen Hughes outreach to the Muslim world, not an ostentatious embrace of Kyoto or even the most abject embrace of internationalism from the podium of the United Nations. It is success or failure in Iraq.
post #14 of 15
Krauthammer is a jackass, one of many right-wing op-eds who cheered Bush and America on to war and then pretended they didn't. I love how, in Krauthammer's world, pro- or anti-Americanism is the ONLY factor involved in choosing a new leader by the rest of the world. I know that in at least one country he cites, Canada--that would be my country--the war in Afghanistan is desperately unpopular and the Conservative government manages to cling to (minority) power despite their ties to Bush rather than because of them. Of course, in most other countries you don't have an all-or-nothing government, so people like Krauthammer have trouble grasping the idea that this one issue can be one of a plethora of factors.
post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 
And yet, things are improving in Iraq. We aren't there yet, but we're better off than we were before the surge.
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