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National Debt hits $9 trillion

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National Debt at Record $9 Trillion

By MARTIN CRUTSINGER

WASHINGTON (AP) — The national debt has hit $9 trillion for the first time.

The Treasury Department, which issues a daily accounting of the debt, said Wednesday that the debt subject to limit was at $9 trillion on Tuesday. It was $8.996 trillion on Monday.

Last month, Congress passed and President Bush signed into law an increase in the government's borrowing ceiling to $9.815 trillion. It was the fifth debt limit increase since Bush took office in January 2001. Those increases have totaled $3.865 trillion.

The administration contends the rising debt reflects such factors as slow economic growth during the 2001 recession, the Sept. 11 attacks and the cost of fighting terrorism.

Democrats place much of the blame for the exploding debt on Bush's first-term tax cuts, which they say are tilted to the wealthy. The administration says those tax cuts helped to jump-start the economy and resulted in falling budget deficits in recent years.

The tax cuts are set to expire at the end of 2010. The administration and Republicans in Congress want to see them made permanent; many Democrats would like to see them revamped to provide more benefits to lower and middle-income taxpayers.

The budget deficit for the 2007 budget year, which ended Sept. 30, was $162.8 billion, the lowest in five years.

In 2004, the deficit was $413 billion, a record in dollar terms.

The national debt is the total of the annual budget deficits plus money that the government borrows from the Social Security and other government trust funds.

The total national debt is actually higher than $9 trillion because it includes borrowing by some agencies that are not covered by the congressional debt limit. That total was $9.086 trillion on Tuesday.

It took the country from George Washington until Ronald Reagan to reach the first $1 trillion in debt.
From the AP.
post #2 of 41
And the Republicans are supposed to be the party of fiscal responsibility.
post #3 of 41
Tack on that China and quite a few other countries are looking to diversify their financial assets away from the U.S. dollar and we're looking to take some world economy hits pretty hard.


Although as far as the National Debt goes, I say we just stop paying it and pretend it doesn't exist. Let the world come looking for us like the Student Loan Office does 50% of college graduates.
post #4 of 41
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Originally Posted by Death Surge
Although as far as the National Debt goes, I say we just stop paying it and pretend it doesn't exist. Let the world come looking for us like the Student Loan Office does 50% of college graduates.
My junior year of high school (before I understood how financial systems work), I seriously suggested this to a histry teacher. In general, I was a really good student in this class, but on that day, the teacher looked at me like he was going to go all Scanners on us.
post #5 of 41
Well, if we subjugated everyone else, we wouldn't owe anything, would we? We'd be paying ourselves!
post #6 of 41
That's IT.

I'm never lending any of you money.
post #7 of 41
The tax cuts jumps started the economy, huh?
post #8 of 41
Well, then, time to update this list:

People to borrow money from:
Everyone BUT Trejo.

People to subjugate:
Trejo.
post #9 of 41
And you want a FEMALE president to get us out of debt???

I agree with Frank's comment. I miss old school conservatives.
post #10 of 41
In other news, the sky is blue, water is wet and women have secrets.
post #11 of 41
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by First Class 782
I miss old school conservatives.
Like Ronald Reagan, who drastically reversed all the gains made by the Democratic New Deal, which rescued the country from the Republican Great Depression?
post #12 of 41
This could very well be a number that most people just 'don't get'. Like Pi, and their cholesterol levels. Maybe the debt should be expressed in some more accessible way, like # of new cars, or gold bricks?
post #13 of 41
Reagan wasn't an old-school conservative, though. At least in terms of the economy. He blew up the debt like none other before him.

Any any connection with Reagan dismantling New Deal gains can't be made without noting how his family was basically saved by the New Deal during the depression, and Reagan himself was an ardent New Deal supporter until...he became wealthy.
post #14 of 41
Thread Starter 
Point noted, but the perception versus the reality is I think where the whole concept gets flooby.
post #15 of 41
No doubt. He's held as this paragon for Conservative beliefs even though he was the leader of the modern Conservative movement which has led it to the spending spree it is now.
post #16 of 41
Resurrect Barry Goldwater!
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Barry who?
post #18 of 41
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Originally Posted by donde
Barry who?
This sexpot of Conservatism right here:



Oh can't you just feel him undressing you with your eyes and lowering your taxes while nuking the VC. It's an undeniable feeling.
post #19 of 41
I was trying to give the probable response from a modern Neocon Republican.
post #20 of 41
That's what I was getting at. Goldwater wouldn't even recognize the current Republican party.
post #21 of 41
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Originally Posted by EdHocken
This sexpot of Conservatism right here:



Oh can't you just feel him undressing you with your eyes and lowering your taxes while nuking the VC. It's an undeniable feeling.
I wish he had a pair of glasses hanging sexily from his mouth.
post #22 of 41
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Originally Posted by yt
Like Ronald Reagan, who drastically reversed all the gains made by the Democratic New Deal, which rescued the country from the Republican Great Depression?
Did I say Reagan?
post #23 of 41
You realize if the US stopping paying it's foreign debt it would also crush any mutual funds you happed to have. so there goes your retirement.
post #24 of 41
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by First Class 782
Did I say Reagan?
My snarky comments usually come from free floating aggression and aren't generally aimed at anyone in this forum. Apologies.
post #25 of 41
9,000,000,000,000.
It looks like a make believe number.


What's after a trillion?
post #26 of 41
A gigawatt. Rev up your Deloreans!
post #27 of 41
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Originally Posted by Raspberry Leper
What's after a trillion?
quadrillion
quintillion
sextillion
septillion
octillion
etc...

If the debt is ever expressed using any of these numbers, we're fucked.
post #28 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by First Class 782
And you want a FEMALE president to get us out of debt???

I agree with Frank's comment. I miss old school conservatives.
Lead longer and allow for windage.
post #29 of 41
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Originally Posted by Tieman
quadrillion
quintillion
sextillion
septillion
octillion
etc...

If the debt is ever expressed using any of these numbers, we're fucked.
Donald Rumsfeld is giving the president his daily briefing. He concludes by saying: "Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed."

"OH NO!" the President exclaims. "That's terrible!"

His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands.

Finally, the President looks up and asks, "How many is a brazillion?"
post #30 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by EdHocken
This sexpot of Conservatism right here:



Oh can't you just feel him undressing you with your eyes and lowering your taxes while nuking the VC. It's an undeniable feeling.
Hell, I'd vote for a reasonably lifelike Goldwater algorithm.
post #31 of 41
So how do you skip trace a country, anyway?
post #32 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by EdHocken
This sexpot of Conservatism right here:



Oh can't you just feel him undressing you with your eyes and lowering your taxes while nuking the VC. It's an undeniable feeling.
Next time post an NSFW warning, OK? This is almost too hot.
post #33 of 41
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Originally Posted by Tieman
Resurrect Barry Goldwater!
Hell, I miss Nixon.
post #34 of 41
In correlation with the record national debt, it seems like we have a perfect storm brewing with gold nearing the all-time high of $850/ounce, oil almost breaking $100/barrel (a psychological milestone), and the dollar sinking to new lows everyday. You would think that the Federal Reserve (a private entity owned by who knows who) could keep printing money without serious repercussions but I think a breaking point is nearing with other countries such as China starting to sell off their dollars as Death Surge mentioned.

With the sub-prime loan and credit card crises hitting the market hard, I wouldn't be suprised if we have a crash anyday now.
post #35 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by KBM
In correlation with the record national debt, it seems like we have a perfect storm brewing with gold nearing the all-time high of $850/ounce, oil almost breaking $100/barrel (a psychological milestone), and the dollar sinking to new lows everyday. You would think that the Federal Reserve (a private entity owned by who knows who) could keep printing money without serious repercussions but I think a breaking point is nearing with other countries such as China starting to sell off their dollars as Death Surge mentioned.

With the sub-prime loan and credit card crises hitting the market hard, I wouldn't be suprised if we have a crash anyday now.
Don't forget there's now some idiots up on Capitol Hill spouting some nonsense about having the Federal Government pick up the tab for all these financial institutions that are losing money hand over fist due to the faulty loans. Yeah, That'll make us look great. I can see our country's foreign debt holders going along with that.
post #36 of 41
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
Hell, I'd vote for a reasonably lifelike Goldwater algorithm.
The photo of Goldwater could do a better job running the US than the current batch of idiots.


Everyone seems to like the Brazilian joke. Makes me wish I'd written it.
post #37 of 41
The only chance we have to fix anything is RON PAUL! His understanding of economics is superior to anyone running in both parties!



He knows the root cause of these problems and is willing to do something about it. Would you trust anyone else? I mean everyone is saying things just to get elected Paul speaks his mind and that's why he has so much support!


Just YouTube Ron Paul!

We don't have to convince anyone all we Paul supporters have to say is Google or YouTube Paul and hear his message. We are certain that you'll understand what he's all about and clearly the best choice for us at this time.



By the way I thought of myself as someone who would never vote Republican and thought of myself as a "liberal"
post #38 of 41
You better read up on your buddy before you wholeheartedly support him like that. I have. He's a freak.
post #39 of 41
Darth, seriously...wtf? I like the kind of message that Paul's campaign is sending as much as the next guy, but can you please remove your mouth from his metaphorical dick?
post #40 of 41
I've read the Libertarian party platform. I am not impressed by Ron Paul.
post #41 of 41
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Listen up, folks, just keep giving big business unfettered freedom without "govmint interference" and tax breaks. It will boost the economy, and that will trickle down to you and me.
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