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Adults behind MySpace hoax drive 13 year old to suicide

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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...OsJfwD8SV6U680

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Mom: Web Hoax Led Girl to Kill Herself

By BETSY TAYLOR – 2 days ago
DARDENNE PRAIRIE, Mo. (AP) — Megan Meier thought she had made a new friend in cyberspace when a cute teenage boy named Josh contacted her on MySpace and began exchanging messages with her.

Megan, a 13-year-old who suffered from depression and attention deficit disorder, corresponded with Josh for more than a month before he abruptly ended their friendship, telling her he had heard she was cruel.

The next day Megan committed suicide. Her family learned later that Josh never actually existed; he was created by members of a neighborhood family that included a former friend of Megan's.

Now Megan's parents hope the people who made the fraudulent profile on the social networking Web site will be prosecuted, and they are seeking legal changes to safeguard children on the Internet.

The girl's mother, Tina Meier, said she doesn't think anyone involved intended for her daughter to kill herself.

"But when adults are involved and continue to screw with a 13-year-old, with or without mental problems, it is absolutely vile," she told the Suburban Journals of Greater St. Louis, which first reported on the case.
Tina Meier said law enforcement officials told her the case did not fit into any law. But sheriff's officials have not closed the case and pledged to consider new evidence if it emerges.

Megan Meier hanged herself in her bedroom on Oct. 16, 2006, and died the next day. She was described as a "bubbly, goofy" girl who loved spending time with her friends, watching movies and fishing with her dad.
Megan had been on medication, but had been upbeat before her death, her mother said, after striking up a relationship on MySpace with Josh Evans about six weeks before her death.

Josh told her he was born in Florida and had recently moved to the nearby community of O'Fallon. He said he was homeschooled, and didn't yet have a phone number in the area to give her.

Megan's parents said she received a message from him on Oct. 15 of last year, essentially saying he didn't want to be her friend anymore, that he had heard she wasn't nice to her friends.

The next day, as Megan's mother headed out the door to take another daughter to the orthodontist, she knew Megan was upset about Internet messages. She asked Megan to log off. Users on MySpace must be at least 14, though Megan was not when she opened her account. A MySpace spokeswoman did not return calls seeking comment.

Someone using Josh's account was sending cruel messages. Then, Megan called her mother, saying electronic bulletins were being posted about her, saying things like, "Megan Meier is a slut. Megan Meier is fat."

Megan's mother, who monitored her daughter's online communications, returned home and said she was shocked at the vulgar language her own daughter was sending. She told her daughter how upset she was about it.
Megan ran upstairs, and her father, Ron, tried to tell her everything would be fine. About 20 minutes later, she was found in her bedroom. She died the next day.

Her father said he found a message the next day from Josh, which he said law enforcement authorities have not been able to retrieve. It told the girl she was a bad person and the world would be better without her, he has said.

Another parent, who learned of the MySpace account from her own daughter who had access to the Josh profile, told Megan's parents about the hoax in a counselor's office about six weeks after Megan died. That's when they learned Josh was imaginary, they said.

The woman who created the fake profile has not been charged with a crime. She allegedly told the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department she created Josh's profile because she wanted to gain Megan's confidence to know what Megan was saying about her own child online.

The mother from down the street told police that she, her daughter and another person all typed and monitored the communication between the fictitious boy and Megan.

A person who answered the door at the family's house told an Associated Press reporter on Friday afternoon that they had been advised not to comment.

Megan's parents had been storing a foosball table for the family that created the MySpace character. Six weeks after Megan's death, they learned the other family had created the profile and responded by destroying the foosball table, dumping it on the neighbors' driveway and encouraging them to move away.

Megan's parents are now separated and plan to divorce.
Aldermen in Dardenne Prairie, a community of about 7,000 residents about 35 miles from St. Louis, have proposed a new ordinance related to child endangerment and Internet harassment. It could come before city leaders on Wednesday.

"Is this enough?" Mayor Pam Fogarty said Friday. "No, not by any stretch of the imagination, but it's something, and you have to start somewhere."
Why aren't these people in jail already?
post #2 of 38
Wow, that's insane. Here's hoping to a round of cancer for all involved.
post #3 of 38
This is so appalling. To think that an adult would stoop this low is harrowing.
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They're not in jail because we don't have criminal laws on point for encouraging suicide to strangers on-line. Which is good thing for this site, because otherwise between Swedish Miyagi, fabfunk, and copperlocke, damn near all of the regular posters would be locked up.

Still, the family that created the profile will definitely have some sort of civil liability, possibily for wrongful death or endangerment, and almost certainly for some form of harassment and intentional inflictment of emotional distress. IIED is about the hardest claim there is to recover on because of the difficulty of proving damages, but the death of an immediate family member is about as clear-cut as it gets.

And yeah, if your a 30/40 something year-old mother and you spend your time plotting online revenge on your 13 year-old nemesis, you should fucking kill yourself, you stupid waste of cunt.
post #5 of 38
Eh, if the girl couldn't handle being called cruel by some stranger online, she probably wouldn't have made it through high school anyway.
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage
It's a well-known fact that online fat is much fatter than regular fat.

The internet adds what, 475lbs? At least that's what it was after the last study.
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
Eh, if the girl couldn't handle being called cruel by some stranger online, she probably wouldn't have made it through high school anyway.
I don't know about that in this instance, though. The issue is that "he" earned her affection, and then was mean to her out of the blue. There's no suggestion that she couldn't have taken it from random people/her enemies. Even when high school friends turn on each other, as they so often do, there's usually at least some advance warning/rationale for it.

Even so, all this is beside the point. Maybe she makes it through high school, maybe she doesn't. Who the hell are these adults to interfere with that chance?
post #8 of 38
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
Eh, if the girl couldn't handle being called cruel by some stranger online, she probably wouldn't have made it through high school anyway.
That doesn't excuse any culpability by the idiot *adults* behind the hoax.
post #9 of 38
No emoticon is subtle enough to express my emotions at this time.

Those adults are assholes. For the sake of the future, some people should have high school washed from their memories, so they don't spend the next twenty years trying to compensate.
post #10 of 38
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica
That doesn't excuse any culpability by the idiot *adults* behind the hoax.
True, but check the passage you highlighted and allow me to highlight my own part- "Her father said he found a message the next day from Josh, which he said law enforcement authorities have not been able to retrieve. It told the girl she was a bad person and the world would be better without her, he has said."

Nope, doesn't sound like the parents made something up to shift blame. At all. Also, the dumping of the foosball table shows even more what kind of passive-aggression was going on at that house.

I'm not trying to say it wasn't a shit thing to do, and that those who created the myspace page shouldn't share responsibility, but this girl had issues as it was, most of it obviously stemming from her own family.
post #11 of 38
The adults are certainly assholes, but what can be done about it? You can't prosecute someone for dicking around with someone online and being a douchebag to them. Otherwise, as Schwartz said, half the posters on this site would be locked up.
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That's a good point to note, that the message her parents cite is gone. I imagine there must be more than just the one, though.

The foosball table thing is ridiculous. On the other hand, it does suggest that at least the parents assign the blame to this other family and aren't shifting it just for show.
post #13 of 38
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
Nope, doesn't sound like the parents made something up to shift blame. At all. Also, the dumping of the foosball table shows even more what kind of passive-aggression was going on at that house.
If the worse they've done to that family is trash their foosball table, which they gave them after the death of their child (without disclosing what had really happened), then this shows an incredible amount of restraint.

Think about it for a second, their kid killed herself over a fake relationship started by these idiots!!! Dumping their foosball table which they are storing in MY house would be the LEAST thing I would do, and I'm not a violent person.
post #14 of 38
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Originally Posted by Supremo
The adults are certainly assholes, but what can be done about it? You can't prosecute someone for dicking around with someone online and being a douchebag to them. Otherwise, as Schwartz said, half the posters on this site would be locked up.
But, I don't think the point of the story is about the repercussions I'd like to see. It's about the fact that we're talking about (ostensibly) full grown adults picking on a 13-year old girl. Just because there are no laws against that sort of behavior doesn't make it any less of a titanic moral failure on their part. It's revolting.
post #15 of 38
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Originally Posted by Supremo
The adults are certainly assholes, but what can be done about it? You can't prosecute someone for dicking around with someone online and being a douchebag to them. Otherwise, as Schwartz said, half the posters on this site would be locked up.
The mother impersonated a 16 year old boy to have an online romantic relationship with a 13 year old girl. Prosecutor Mr. Magoo would get a couple years conviction with no effort.
post #16 of 38
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica
If the worse they've done to that family is trash their foosball table, which they gave them after the death of their child (without disclosing what had really happened), then this shows an incredible amount of restraint.

Think about it for a second, their kid killed herself over a fake relationship started by these idiots!!! Dumping their foosball table which they are storing in MY house would be the LEAST thing I would do, and I'm not a violent person.
Obviously, unless your own guilt interfered with it like theirs did. If all signs pointed to one thing being the sole cause of your child's death, what parent wouldn't go after them, in any way they could?

But this story took a year to break, and the parents divorced since then... I'm sure a lot of time was spent shifting blame about their daughter, like they're doing in that article.

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Originally Posted by The LD
Just because there are no laws against that sort of behavior doesn't make it any less of a titanic moral failure on their part. It's revolting.
Completely true. I like that lady's excuse of seeing what the girl was saying about her own kids. Nice try.
post #17 of 38
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Just read the police report;
http://bluemerle.blogspot.com/2007/1...ce-report.html

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In reference to their daughter's suicide, Drew explained she wanted to "just tell them" what she did to contribute to the Meier's daughter's suicide. She instigated and monitored a "my space" account(<---blurred) which was created for the sole purpose of communicating with Meier's daughter. Drew said she, with the help of temporary empoyee named "Ashley", constructed a profile of "good looking" male on "my space" in order to "find out what Megan (Meier's daughter) was saying on-line" about her daughter. Drew explained the communication between the fake male profile was [?aimed? illeg] at gaining Megan's confidence and finding out what Megan felt about her daughter and other people. Drew stated she, her daughter, and Ashley all typed, read, and monitored the communication between the fake male profile and Megan. Drew went on to say, the communication became "sexual for a thirteen year old." Drew stated she continued the fake male profile despite this development.

According to Drew "somehow" other "my space" users were able to access the fake male profile and Megan found out she had been duped. Drew stated she knew "arguments" had broken out between Megan and others on "my space". Drew felt this incident contributed to Megan's suicide, but she did not feel "as guilty" because at the funeral because she found out "Megan had tried to commit suicide before."

Drew explained the neighborhood had recently found out her involvement in Megan's suicide and her neighbord have become hostile to toward her and her family. Despite the recency of the suicide and several neighbors recommending she not confront the Meier family (especially on Thanksgiving), Meier stated she and her husband attempted to contact the Meier family three times, "banging on the door" although Mr Meier had already told them to leave.
post #18 of 38
So fucked up.
post #19 of 38
You know, after reading that, I don't care who's right and who's wrong, I just know I'm never going to that neighborhood.

Although this:
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she did not feel "as guilty" because at the funeral because she found out "Megan had tried to commit suicide before."
And this:
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Despite the recency of the suicide and several neighbors recommending she not confront the Meier family (especially on Thanksgiving), Meier stated she and her husband attempted to contact the Meier family three times, "banging on the door" although Mr Meier had already told them to leave.
Are almost literally unbelievable.
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Originally Posted by Amphibatron
I'm not sure how it works, but if you delete a Myspace profile would the sent messages disappear out of the recipients inbox?
That actually sounds right. I barely use myspace, but I think spam messages disappear with the spammers.
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Originally Posted by Graynadian

For the sake of the future, some people should have high school washed from their memories, so they don't spend the next twenty years trying to compensate.
I recently graduated from High School. So, if you could PM me with the name and address of a place that does such things (including remembering it for you wholesale, or not remembering) I will ve happry and my dream will be uncluttered with horrible dreams...fucking High School...no 20 years compensation for me! Gee, im such a pussy. Oh, well, that address will be much appreciated.
post #22 of 38
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The full story is here ...
http://stcharlesjournal.stltoday.com...okin_1.ii1.txt

Some "highlights"

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BEYOND GRIEF INTO FURY

Tina and Ron saw a grief counselor. Tina went to a couple of Parents After Loss of Suicide meetings, as well.

They tried to message Josh Evans, to let him know the deadly power of mean words. But his MySpace account had been deleted.

The day after Megan's death, they went down the street to comfort the family of the girl who had once been Megan's friend. They let the girl and her family know that although she and Megan had their ups and down, Megan valued her friendship.

They also attended the girl's birthday party, although Ron had to leave when it came time to sing "Happy Birthday." The Meiers went to the father's 50th birthday celebration. In addition, the Meiers stored a foosball table, a Christmas gift, for that family.


Six weeks after Megan died, on a Saturday morning, a neighbor down the street, a different neighbor, one they didn't know well, called and insisted that they meet that morning at a counselor's office in northern O'Fallon.

The woman would not provide details. Ron and Tina went. Their grief counselor was there. As well as a counselor from Fort Zumwalt West Middle School.

The neighbor from down the street, a single mom with a daughter the same age as Megan, informed the Meiers that Josh Evans never existed.

She told the Meiers that Josh Evans was created by adults, a family on their block. These adults, she told the Meiers, were the parents of Megan's former girlfriend, the one with whom she had a falling out. These were the people who'd asked the Meiers to store their foosball table.

The single mother, for this story, requested that her name not be used. She said her daughter, who had carpooled with the family that was involved in creating the phony MySpace account, had the password to the Josh Evans account and had sent one message - the one Megan received (and later retrieved off the hard drive) the night before she took her life.

"She had been encouraged to join in the joke," the single mother said.

The single mother said her daughter feels the guilt of not saying something sooner and for writing that message. Her daughter didn't speak out sooner because she'd known the other family for years and thought that what they were doing must be OK because, after all, they were trusted adults.

On the night the ambulance came for Megan, the single mother said, before it left the Meiers' house her daughter received a call. It was the woman behind the creation of the Josh Evans account. She had called to tell the girl that something had happened to Megan and advised the girl not to mention the MySpace account.
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AX AND SLEDGEHAMMER

The Meiers went home and tore into the foosball table.

Tina used an ax and Ron a sledgehammer. They put the pieces in Ron's pickup and dumped them in their neighbor's driveway. Tina spray painted "Merry Christmas" on the box.

According to Tina, Megan had gone on vacations with this family. They knew how she struggled with depression, that she took medication.

"I know that they did not physically come up to our house and tie a belt around her neck," Tina says. "But when adults are involved and continue to screw with a 13-year-old - with or without mental problems - it is absolutely vile.

"She wanted to get Megan to feel like she was liked by a boy and let everyone know this was a false MySpace and have everyone laugh at her.

"I don't feel their intentions were for her to kill herself. But that's how it ended."

'GAINING MEGAN'S CONFIDENCE'

That same day, the family down the street tried to talk to the Meiers. Ron asked friends to convince them to leave before he physically harmed them.

In a letter dated Nov. 30, 2006, the family tells Ron and Tina, "We are sorry for the extreme pain you are going through and can only imagine how difficult it must be. We have every compassion for you and your family."

The Suburban Journals have decided not to name the family out of consideration for their teenage daughter.

The mother declined comment.

"I have been advised not to give out any information and I apologize for that," she says. "I would love to sit here and talk to you about it but I can't."

She was informed that without her direct comment the newspaper would rely heavily on the police report she filed with the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department regarding the destroyed foosball table.

"I will tell you that the police report is totally wrong," the mother said. "We have worked on getting that changed. I would just be very careful about what you write."


Lt. Craig McGuire, spokesman for the sheriff's department, said he is unaware of anyone contacting the department to alter the report.

"We stand behind the report as written," McGuire says. "There was no supplement to it. What is in the report is what we believe she told us."
post #23 of 38
Wow. What cowardice. It's understandable, but that doesn't make it any more forgivable.
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Originally Posted by travishall456
I started out trying to get a master's in Education before I switched programs (thank God). While I was still considering becoming a teacher, pretty much every educator I talked to about the field were unanimous on one thing. They all agreed that Jr. High School girls were the most evil creatures on the planet.

Shit likes this makes me hope that my baby is born with a wang.
Well, that's certainly not going to make her junior high years any easier.
post #25 of 38
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
Eh, if the girl couldn't handle being called cruel by some stranger online, she probably wouldn't have made it through high school anyway.
No doubt. I guess nobody likes to read about somebody taking their own life, but you can't prosecute somebody for being mean spirited...yet.
post #26 of 38
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
I'm not trying to say it wasn't a shit thing to do, and that those who created the myspace page shouldn't share responsibility, but this girl had issues as it was, most of it obviously stemming from her own family.
As a parent, I would wonder what I did wrong, if my child were that fragile and had that low of a self-esteem. The divorce sounds like another ssign of the problem.
post #27 of 38
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8
As a parent, I would wonder what I did wrong, if my child were that fragile and had that low of a self-esteem. The divorce sounds like another ssign of the problem.
It's not uncommon for parents to divorce after such a tragedy, I've seen it happen even in my family.

If you read what the parents are saying, they blame themselves and they also have mentioned how she ultimately made the decision to kill herself. They even admit that it wasn't the intention of that idiot mother to kill her daughter.

I don't think they are just assigning blame around to deflect their own. It's obvious to anybody who reads what happened and even by a sort of admission in the police report that this incident trigger the suicide, plain and simple.

The girl had other problems, and it seems the parents were taking care of it. Really, we complain about parents not doing enough a lot of times, but I think in this case it seems they gave it their best effort. You really can't excuse a 30/40+ year old adult seducing a child, breaking up with her in a bad fashion and then harassing a 13 year old with known depression problems.
post #28 of 38
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica
It's not uncommon for parents to divorce after such a tragedy, I've seen it happen even in my family.

If you read what the parents are saying, they blame themselves and they also have mentioned how she ultimately made the decision to kill herself. They even admit that it wasn't the intention of that idiot mother to kill her daughter.

I don't think they are just assigning blame around to deflect their own. It's obvious to anybody who reads what happened and even by a sort of admission in the police report that this incident triggered the suicide, plain and simple.

The girl had other problems, and it seems the parents were taking care of it. Really, we complain about parents not doing enough a lot of times, but I think in this case it seems they gave it their best effort. You really can't excuse a 30/40+ year old adult seducing a child, breaking up with her in a bad fashion and then harassing a 13 year old with known depression problems.
A+ post. My thoughts exactly. I think they are just angry because of what that family did, not necessarily because of the suicide itself. Even if their daughter HAD survived, I'm pretty sure they'd be really pissed off and would've destroyed the foosball table anyway.

I personally would've burned their fucking house down. Seriously what ADULT would play with a 13 yr old like that? Whoever that adult is must be a fucking idiot or have some mental problems of their own. Who DOES THAT???

ALSO, keep in mind the family didn't find out about this shit for 6 weeks. In those 6 weeks they probably put all the blame on themselves and in their grief decided to divorce. They probably weren't going to do so before their daughter killed herself.
post #29 of 38
I think we are overlooking the senseless death of the little armless wooden soccer players. Never again will they somersault in groups of four.
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Originally Posted by Raspberry Leper
I think we are overlooking the senseless death of the little armless wooden soccer players. Never again will they somersault in groups of four.
Cheatin' bastards got what they deserved.
post #31 of 38
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Originally Posted by Phil!
Awful yet somehow not terribly surprising. I wonder if the couple who made up the fake dude changed their phone number yet.
Now, that's just diabolical, sir.

I'm in the not-worst-parents-of-the-year camp in regards to the Meiers. The family obviously had some issues to work out, but from the backstory info, it sounds like they were at least taking a shot at it. ElCapitan has a point, couples that split up if the kid dies is kind of becoming a statistic these days.

As for the other family, I would have displayed the foosball table out in my yard for a few days instead of tearing it apart immediately. Then, I'd deliver it piece by piece in little baggies to their front door for a couple of weeks. Each piece would have a letter branded on it that would eventually spell out something sinister like, "HAHA FUNNY MYSPACE PRANK LOLZ! OUR TURN WITH YOUR DAUGHTER WE CHOOSE FACEBOOK!!"
post #32 of 38
http://meganhaditcoming.blogspot.com/

Lulz?

Sorry if this was posted before. I skimmed any posts that began or included a variant of "this is such awful, this people should be killed for be mean..." etc...
post #33 of 38
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica

Why aren't these people in jail already?
Her parents? Not aborting apparently isn't a crime.
post #34 of 38
I know you're angry and all Phil!, but whatev.


See how easily I rebutted your point?
post #35 of 38
What kind of elaborate bullshit scheme was this? I want to find out what this girl thinks of my daughter so I'll pretend to be a boy and seduce her? What? I can understand the daughter doing this, but the fact the mother not only helped, but actually HIRED someone to help? And then afterwards telling that one girl "not to tell anybody about it."

What the fuck?
post #36 of 38
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tec...cyberbully.cnn

Looks like the family is feeling the wrath of cyber-Frank Castles.

I approve.
post #37 of 38
If Lori Drew gets a divorce she can date John Fitzgerald. Those two souless douches are made for each other.
post #38 of 38
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Originally Posted by Eric C
If she offed herself due to MySpace, imagine what might have happened if she joined these boards and started a relationship/blog thread.
I think most people would lose interest once it came out that she was a 13 year-old girl and not a 20 year-old guy whining like one.
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