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post #401 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:15pm
Friedmans is great. It would have been a fourth round pick for me, if it made it that far.

The rest are all films I love but didn't really affect my shortlist.
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post #402 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:25pm
I was torn between whether using American Splendor this round or in the third.

The flick that I substituted AS for will make it onto the Chosen list. Hopefully, I'll be the one to put it on there. It's too good to be ignored.
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post #403 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:28pm
American Splendor isn't a transcendant film for me, but I really do appreciate certain aspects a lot. Like how they were able to tell his story while still slipping in the menial day to day observations that define American Splendor as a comic. And of course, the completely warped meta structure.
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post #404 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:30pm
Life Aquatic was in my top tier of remaining films. HIgh Fidelity was pretty high up on the seond level, American Splendor more towards the bottom. But still, all ones I would have considered picking at some point when/if they were there. Friedmans was fascinating, though it never grabbed me like some. I wasn't aware we were doing documentaries. I might have to rethink some stuff.
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post #405 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:33pm
Why on Earth would we not be doing documentaries?
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post #406 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:36pm
No particular earthly reason, Patrick. Nobody had picked one yet, and they are their own category. When considering this stuff, I had never factored them in, so I guess I wasn't thinking about it.
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post #407 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:36pm
High Fidelity seems like a perfect pick for a movie draft.

And the Cusacks are a pair of acting siblings where the guy is hotter (listen to podcast 25).
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post #408 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:36pm
I'm still waiting for the first honest-to-goodness "What the Fuck" pick.
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post #409 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by Anderson
I'm still waiting for the first honest-to-goodness "What the Fuck" pick.
Not to dwell but, um, Batman Begins. In the first round.

But we won't get an out and out bad film until round...4. Maybe the second day of round 3.

And I have yet to see Irreversible (which John Waters named "the best date movie ever"), but I was quite surprised to see it go so soon. But again, any movie that stirs such controversey is bound to have people who are die-hard for it, like Kirby said earlier about Elephant.

I'm really really scared about the next two days.
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post #410 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:42pm
Disregard, GFC just went, and my #2 pick is now MINE!!!
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post #411 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:45pm
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I can't see not liking Splendor. Technically it's great. Such a wonderfully inventive solution to a narrative problem. There's a great apparatus set up by the filmmakers and yet it still feels jazzy and natural. And then it's just a fun nerdy touching story. And perfect acting. It's a four star film.
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post #412 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:47pm
Splendor isn't on my list, but if we were simply drafting performances from the decade, Giamatti would be Top 5 easily.
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post #413 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:48pm
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Zodiac was in my top ten.
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post #414 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:48pm
I think people may get turned off by the ending, which is kinda anti-climatic.

Hot Fuzz was a serious consideration (I think it's the funniest movie of the decade, and maybe funnier than any film of the 90's as well) but I didn't expect it to last.

Zodiac will hurt a certain friend weird hair-ed friend of mine. Hopefully you don't catch his rath. Great pick though.
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post #415 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:49pm
I'm honestly stunned Zodiac lasted this long. Still the best film I've seen this year, though I'm woefully behind on the fall slate.
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post #416 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
Not to dwell but, um, Batman Begins. In the first round.

But we won't get an out and out bad film until round...4. Maybe the second day of round 3.

And I have yet to see Irreversible (which John Waters named "the best date movie ever"), but I was quite surprised to see it go so soon. But again, any movie that stirs such controversey is bound to have people who are die-hard for it, like Kirby said earlier about Elephant.

I'm really really scared about the next two days.
Well, I don't buy "Batman Begins" as the true WTF moment of the draft. While it may not be the film that any of us would've posted in the first couple of rounds in the Draft, on the technical and directorial merits alone...it would've at least placed in the 4th or 5th draft.

If you can actually call a film that's hampered by a fucked third act to not be up to snuff, then that's to ignore the endless shitpile of other films from 2000-2007 that could fill up another draft.
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post #417 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:51pm
Zodiac needed to be taken post haste. Not surprised about Hot Fuzz either. One of my favorite CHUD favorites.
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post #418 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:53pm
He picked Batman Begins with the fifth pick in the draft. THE FIFTH PICK. It's not even a matter of strategy at that point -- that's just bad taste if you look at the past seven years of film (minus four) and Batman Begins is your go-to choice.
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post #419 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by sackley
I don't understand how you could think the rape scene was brilliant, but dismiss the rest of the film. All the violence in the film is exactly the same deal - so tough to watch, completely horrific - but man on man violence is somehow more acceptable than man on woman violence?
I have no problem with man on man violence. It just didn't move me as much and maybe that says something about our culture, but that wasn't what soured the film for me.

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As for the characters being hideous people - so what?
So much hinged on Belluci's reationship with her boyfriend and I just never got it. He was such an asshole. Even in the last/first scene in which we are supposed to see how much they love each other, he treated her like shit. I just didn't understand why she would be with someone like that.


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Noe's intention is to outright shock you, not just with the graphic scenes, but with characters' reactions to them. We are a destructive people andnot always as rational as we would like to be. More often than not, we are destroying the things we hold beautiful.
I found the movie more annoying than shocking. The editing seriously made me noxious. Shaky cam filmmaking never particularly bothered me. It did this time around.
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post #420 of 977
11/29/07 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by flyarz
He picked Batman Begins with the fifth pick in the draft. THE FIFTH PICK. It's not even a matter of strategy at that point -- that's just bad taste if you look at the past seven years of film (minus four) and Batman Begins is your go-to choice.
I acknowledge that. What I'm saying is that there is still room and time for a bigger "What the Fuck".
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post #421 of 977
11/29/07 at 2:09pm
Dickson, you son of a bitch! Zodiac was mine! I hope I find you making out with your girlfriend in your car while Hurdy Gurdy Man plays on the radio someday!!!
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post #422 of 977
11/29/07 at 2:18pm
I just can't help but think that Batman Begins would have been available later, and that something Chris Kent really wanted he lost because he jumped the gun.
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post #423 of 977
11/29/07 at 2:51pm
I need to see Lost in Translation again. Haven't seen it since it first came out on video.
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post #424 of 977
11/29/07 at 2:57pm
People either love or hate Sofia. I heard people say her minimilist style is boring. I find it brilliant. She can effect more emotion in one, silent shot than most filmmakers do in their whole film. I was really debating between The Virgin Suicides or Lost in Translation as I love them both dearly. But in the end Murray's performance was to good to pass up.
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post #425 of 977
11/29/07 at 3:01pm
And the Dumb Cunt Award goes to...ME for thinking that I could hold off on picking American Splendor and Three Burials.
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post #426 of 977
11/29/07 at 3:03pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by R-Lu
And, hey, there are several movies among the chosen that don't do a lot for me. Here are a few: Children of Men, Huckabees, Munich and Adaptation. .
I agree on the last three. Didn't know you didn't like CoM, Rex. Interesting.
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post #427 of 977
11/29/07 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by Kirby Drummond
Jude was good through Ripley and then he's been sucky since then. Closer would've been a much better movie without him. He's completely charming in Alfie but that movie is horrendo.
He's great playing off Caine in the Sleuth remake. He was also very good in Road to Perdition.
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post #428 of 977
11/29/07 at 3:07pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris O.
For the longest time it was sitting pretty as my number one movie of the year, and then I saw No Country for Old Men. As much as I loved Zodiac, it's simply no contest.
I would so disagree with that. Zodiac can more than hold its own against NCFOM. Very very different films. Both masterpieces.
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post #429 of 977
11/29/07 at 3:50pm
Zodiac was the one I was hoping would hold out for at least until 5 today. That's still my favorite film in 2007. Keep in mind I haven't seen "No Country" yet, but I watched it again on DVD when it came out and fell in love with it all over again. It's one of those movies that you pop in, saying you'll only watch a few minutes, next thing you know, it's two and a half hours later. It's a movie that was tailor made for my interests, and I love it more than any other film I've seen this year, and it's been a great fucking year for movies.

Of the other selections, American Splendor is pretty spectacular (Cleveland represent, bitches), and Murray losing to Penn over Lost in Translation's pretty criminal. But aside from a few missteps, I'll agree with Patrick, no one's made a "what the fuck" type pick yet.

And Huckabees has some of the best stuff Mark Wahlberg's ever done. "Yes, you do, Jesus hates you."
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post #430 of 977
11/29/07 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu
And Huckabees has some of the best stuff Mark Wahlberg's ever done. "Yes, you do, Jesus hates you."
I dare anyone not to laugh everytime he mentions petroleum.

As for Zodiac, I think I'm going to end up buying the theatrical cut and the director's cut on the same day (January 8th, bitches). I also really need to read Graysmith's book.
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post #431 of 977
11/29/07 at 5:09pm
Really nice pick, Ratty. I was banking on Before Sunset lasting, because it really seemed to fly under people's radars. I think it's a great movie. And the scenes toward the end (especially the taxi ride) are so sad and well-acted. And then that last scene is just fucking excellent.
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post #432 of 977
11/29/07 at 5:12pm
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Yeah, very good choices. Before Sunset kills. I love that movie. You Can Count on Me is gorgeous as well. Boo.
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post #433 of 977
11/29/07 at 5:14pm
Before Sunset was one of those I was projecting had a decent chance of still being around when I picked. I guess I missed that plane.

Cache grabbed me from the opening. Powerful stuff. I don't know if it's second round material, but it's a nice pick.

Dirty Pretty Things- Another I haven't seen.
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post #434 of 977
11/29/07 at 5:18pm
I didn't notice You Can Count On Me. Nice pick, Matchstick. I'd like to have another Lonergan to choose from, but hey, it's still not out!
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post #435 of 977
11/29/07 at 5:19pm
Thread Starter 
I had Before Sunset just outside my top ten. Such a special film.
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post #436 of 977
11/29/07 at 5:47pm
Memories of Murder. Nice!

I thought that it would slip below the radar.
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post #437 of 977
11/29/07 at 5:54pm
Now I could have seen Spidey 2 going in the first round before Batman Begins.
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post #438 of 977
11/29/07 at 5:55pm
Pleased to have scored that one. Nothing gets between me and The Delp!

I would love to see Linklater, Delpy and Hawke come back to these characters in another 10 years just to see how they are doing. I don't know what the fuck they'd call it (After Sundown? Hey, The Moon is Out? ), but I'd be there opening day.
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post #439 of 977
11/29/07 at 5:57pm
I can't believe I forgot about Yi Yi. It wouldn't have changed my choices up to this point, but how I left that off my list I'll never know. It's certainly better than a lot of the stuff I have down.
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post #440 of 977
11/29/07 at 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by R-Lu
Heh, heh, heh. I totally expected you to be all over that, too. Was sweating it and everything.
I just noticed that the list I've been drawing from is largely absent of any Asian Cinema. But, I kind of expected a small group of drafters to be dominating that realm.

So, I'll just keep my toe out of that water.
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post #441 of 977
11/29/07 at 6:01pm
Yeah, Memories of Murder really is an excellent pick. Such a cruel coda. It's certainly so much like Zodiac and might agree that's it's the better flick. Have to see it again.

You Can Count on Me still blows me away. Both Linney and Ruffalo are amazing in it. One of my all time favorites. Can't believe how long we've been left hanging on Lonergan's next.
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post #442 of 977
11/29/07 at 6:03pm
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Now I could have seen Spidey 2 going in the first round before Batman Begins.
I prefer Begins to any of the Spider-Man movies. Yeah, I said it!
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post #443 of 977
11/29/07 at 6:34pm
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I prefer Tastykakes to Hostess.
Drake Cakes beat both.
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post #444 of 977
11/29/07 at 7:14pm
I haven't seen 21 of the choices, I have a lot of catching up to do.

I almost wish this was 10 rounds, I have a feeling a lot of gems I'm unaware of would be brought to my attention.
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post #445 of 977
11/29/07 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by Henry_Hill
I almost wish this was 10 rounds, I have a feeling a lot of gems I'm unaware of would be brought to my attention.
There's usually a post thread where people discuss runner-ups or ineligible picks.
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post #446 of 977
11/29/07 at 7:17pm
Damn, Leper.

Keep on helping me to whittle down my list.
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post #447 of 977
11/29/07 at 8:01pm
Kevin Matchstick is officially an asshole. I had no illusions of 25th hour but figured You Can Count On Me would be around till atleast round 4. Really bummed. It's great when you see a movie and discover a guy like Mark Ruffalo.
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post #448 of 977
11/29/07 at 8:57pm
YOU CAN COUNT ON ME and YI YI. Those two hurt, but great, spectacular choices. Welcome to the weekend rumination for other equal titles.
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post #449 of 977
11/30/07 at 12:19am
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Had a feeling we'd see Yi Yi.

Wasn't sure where Dre would go but that makes a lot of sense, nice choice.
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post #450 of 977
11/30/07 at 12:56am
Thread Starter 
You and Russ are living in the Eastern side of the world.
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