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Yet Another Reason to HATE Politics... Especially Neocon Republicans!!

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Today, the Republicans are trying to exploit the discontent with the Electoral College among Americans in a way that would rig the system in their favor. At the moment, every state apart from Maine and Nebraska hands out its Electoral College votes according to a winner-takes-all system. This means that if 51 percent of people in California vote Democrat, the Democrats get 100 percent of California's electoral votes; if 51 percent of people in Texas vote Republican, the Republicans get 100 percent of Texas' electoral votes.

The Republicans want to change this -- but in only one Democrat-leaning state. California has gone Democratic in presidential elections since 1988, and winning the sunny state is essential if the Democrats are going to retake the White House. So the Republicans have now begun a plan to break up California's Electoral College votes and award a huge chunk of them to their side.

They have launched a campaign called California Counts, and they are trying to secure a statewide referendum in June to implement their plan. They want California's electoral votes to be divvied up not on a big statewide basis, but according to the much smaller congressional districts. The practical result? Instead of all the state's 54 Electoral College votes going to the Democratic candidate, around 20 would go to the Republicans.

If this were being done in every state, everywhere, it would be an improvement. California's forgotten Republicans would be represented in the Electoral College, and so would Texas' forgotten Democrats. But by doing it in California alone, they are simply giving the Republicans a massive electoral gift. Suddenly it would be extremely hard for a Democrat ever to win the White House; they would need a landslide victory everywhere else to counter this vast structural imbalance against them on the West Coast.

You can see this partisan agenda if you look at who is behind the campaign. It was set up by Charles "Chep" Hurth III -- a Republican donor to Rudy Giuliani. It was drafted by Tom Hiltachk -- a Republican attorney. Its signature drive was coordinated by Kevin Eckery -- a Republican consultant.

Its funds were provided by Paul Singer -- a Republican billionaire and one of Giuliani's biggest donors. Its chief fundraiser is Anne Dunsmore, who went there straight from her post as national deputy campaign manager for Giuliani. Seeing a pattern yet?

Indeed, this bias is so blatant that the state Republican Party itself has now chipped in $80,000 to the campaign. Of course, the campaign is not marketing itself as a Republican rigging escapade. They insist: "This initiative is not about helping any one party or candidate. It simply ensures that every vote cast in our state counts in the Electoral College." But the best they can do to provide "balance" is to point to the fact that one of the men who has given them $20,000, Edward Allred, once also gave $2,300 to the campaign of Democratic contender Bill Richardson. Wow.

There is a real risk they could succeed. They are close to getting the number of signatures they need to secure a referendum in June. (The Los Angeles Downtown News claims to have witnessed signature-gatherers offering homeless people food in return for signing.) The turnout for the referendum is expected to be extremely low, because the statewide primaries usually held on that date have been moved forward to February. So the Republicans only have to activate a small part of their base to push it through -- and they have the cash to do it. California dreamin', on such a winter's day.

The Democrats in response shouldn't be trapped in the conservative position of defending the indefensible Electoral College. There is an alternative way to reform it -- one that would be fair to all parties. It used to be thought it was all but impossible to ditch the system because it would require a constitutional amendment, which needs the approval of two-thirds of both houses of Congress, plus three-quarters of state legislatures.

But then constitutional scholars realized there was another way. The Constitution only requires that each state must "appoint" its presidential electors "in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct." That leaves a glimmer of hope. The Campaign for a National Popular Vote is campaigning for every state simply to commit its delegates to the Electoral College to vote 100 per cent for the candidate who wins the popular vote.

This would render the Electoral College a forgotten technicality. It's very revealing that when the California state Senate voted to introduce this genuinely democratic system last year, the Republican governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, vetoed it, with the support of his party.

It shows that the Republicans' rhetoric of wanting "fairness" and "equal representation" in California is a honeyed lie. They want a system that retains their power, even if it subverts the will of the people. It risks becoming Florida Part II: Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the polling booth ... Fasten your seatbelts -- it's going to be a bumpy election.



From: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinio...ml?source=mypi
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I gotta go with JVC. This strikes me as dirty pool, but only because of the lack of publicity. But, hey...California has referendum laws, and if "we" want to oppose it, let's get out there and blow a few million on ads informing the people about what's going on.

Seriously though, I had wondered how the republicans were going to win this election.
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car
So, is the vote rigged in Maine and Nebraska where this system is already in place? Of course the Republican minority in California wants to change the winner-take-all system, as I'm sure the Democrats in Texas would like to change the system as well. They can put the measure on the ballot and let the voters of that state decide. The Constitution gives this power specifically to the states to decide how their electors are appointed. So how is it showing "contempt for democracy" to give the state a chance to vote on a matter the Constitution explicitly leaves to the states? The author seems to have a problem with this only because it hurts the party he supports.
My political leanings are irrelevant... I'm actually independent. My problem is the timing and the lies the campaign financiers will tell to get their votes. They could give a shit about giving voters a voice. If you want a serious debate about the electoral college, then we should have a nation-wide debate and not just one in the state that would give your party a favorable amount of the votes. This initiative is disgusting in its inauthenticity. Go to their website and check out who the organizers are. Look behind the smoke and mirrors and you have Giuliani.

This whole system is corrupt... BOTH sides. It just really pisses me off when people are shady and self-serving.
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I think it might be naive to believe that the Dems will win this election, not as things stand at this moment. Jvc is right. For a Dem to win it will take a landslide to overcome the corrupt voting shenanigans the GOP has so expertly leveraged in the past. Add to that the fact that no clear candidate has emerged other than the one the GOP wants to run against -- Hillary all but guarantees a GOP win. They want to run against her because they know they can beat her ... easily. Rove just wrote a gross editorial for the Financial Times giving Obama marching orders on how to take down Hillary. If he takes the bait and divides the Democratic party further, he'll drag himself way down into the muck where Turdblossom resides and lose his soul in the process, which I don't think he's willing to do.

I still say our best hope is Edwards. Not only would he be an easy choice for the "undecided" out there from both parties, but he has a lot of fight in him, and that's what it will take to break up the stranglehold corporations have on our system of government.

As to the subject at hand, this is more shenanigans from the GOP, but then again, the electoral system is pretty goofy anyway. I have been asked to sign these petitions on many occasions, and not only have I not signed them, there have never been any signatures on the ones I've seen. I think Californians living in the major cities and not the central valley are pretty spooked by this whole thing by and large.
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Agreed! :-)
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car
So, is the vote rigged in Maine and Nebraska where this system is already in place? Of course the Republican minority in California wants to change the winner-take-all system, as I'm sure the Democrats in Texas would like to change the system as well. They can put the measure on the ballot and let the voters of that state decide. The Constitution gives this power specifically to the states to decide how their electors are appointed. So how is it showing "contempt for democracy" to give the state a chance to vote on a matter the Constitution explicitly leaves to the states? The author seems to have a problem with this only because it hurts the party he supports.
Democracy is only bad and needs fixing when the majority disagrees with you.
(See Palestine and Venezuela for outcomes that rocked the status quo)
Then the majority is either stupid/misguided (Dems on Republicans) or naive/traitors (Republicans on Dems).
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