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post #1 of 67
12/7/07 at 1:05pm
Thread Starter 
So...more drafts? No more? Drafts suck? I suck? You suck?

Thinking we could roll out another movie draft. Maybe the 70's? 80s and 90's? Everything before Y2K? Horror? Draft the Criterion Catalogue?

If we do, it'll be in early 2008.
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post #2 of 67
12/7/07 at 1:08pm
Mas! Mas!

And Kirby, you've done a great job handling this draft. Not only has it been loads of fun, but more importantly, it's brought some really great discussion to the boards (not that it wasn't there already, but the discussion thread has been a standout).

Oh, and I think drafting the Criterion Catalogue would be a great idea because not only is it like trying to pick DVDs for a collection, but it's a way of making great recommendations for DVDs as opposed to just trying to claim films everyone knows and loves.
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post #3 of 67
12/7/07 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
Mas! Mas!

And Kirby, you've done a great job handling this draft. Not only has it been loads of fun, but more importantly, it's brought some really great discussion to the boards (not that it wasn't there already, but the discussion thread has been a standout).
Yes, Kirby. Thanks for setting this up.

My Netflix queue has grown considerably from a lot of these choices. Working a full-time job, raising kids, and being married doesn't leave a lot of time for movie watching anymore (at least the art house-type flicks). Thanks for setting this up, so I can see some missed masterpieces.
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post #4 of 67
12/7/07 at 1:22pm
Step it up a notch -- 70s/80s is achingly obvious. 50s or 60s would be good.

Or Criterion.

Or...

but simply put: more please. Great two weeks this.
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post #5 of 67
12/7/07 at 1:22pm
This was great, but a lot of it comes from the timing. November/December is always a "summing up" period for movie fans, and this was like the ultimate summing up, where Zodiac sits next to Memory of Murder sits next to No Country for Old Men sits next to Hedwig and the Angry Inch. It all worked out great.

Also, people's feelings are still fresh on these films, which made for some great debates. I think that the wheat hasn't yet fully seperated from the chafe made this much draft much more interesting than a draft of films from the 90's or 80's.
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post #6 of 67
12/7/07 at 1:35pm
Watching from the sidelines, it looked like a lot of fun, please do more so I can join in next time, por favor...
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post #7 of 67
12/7/07 at 1:38pm
This was a good one. I think I've been involved in 3 or 4 drafts here and they're always fun. My favorite was the babe draft where we picked a role.

I travel a lot which makes me a pain with these things, but if we have one where I'm home for most of it, I'm in.

And thanks Kirby for being the mastermind.
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post #8 of 67
12/7/07 at 2:09pm
Not from the 70's though, cuz if I was in that draft and someone else took Annie Hall, I would be forced to kill them. It'd be out of my hands.
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post #9 of 67
12/7/07 at 2:32pm
2/3 of my Netflix recommendations include Annie Hall as one of the contributing factors. Because you liked Annie Hall, Kill Bill, and Secretary we recommend Miike movies.
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post #10 of 67
12/7/07 at 2:32pm
I don't know if I would do it again, but if you do another one make it more specific than just 70s or 80s.
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post #11 of 67
12/7/07 at 3:11pm
How much more specific can you get though? Flying saucer films from 1955 to 1958? I think the decades work great because it not only gives you an ample yet still limited selection to choose from, it really helps showcase the variety found in any particular decade.

The Criterion one would be interesting too. I also think doing musical acts -- not albums or songs, but the band/singer -- could be fun, and something we haven't tried before.
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post #12 of 67
12/7/07 at 3:19pm
It may be controverisal, but I'd love a draft where there's no way in Hades Star Wars, LOTR, popular franchise pictures* or ET/Back To The Future/The Goonies/Jaws can get a look in.

I appreciate drafts that don't state the bleedin' obvious. Which is for the most part this has been a whole lot fun (so far, there's still the bonus).



*(but my criteria would of course have to exclude the Reanimator films and Waxwork)
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post #13 of 67
12/7/07 at 3:33pm
I would like another solely for me to have an opportunity to participate in it.
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post #14 of 67
12/7/07 at 3:46pm
You could do a ten-round draft where each round is a decade and you pick one film from that decade. We could skip the 2000s since we just had a draft devoted to them and do the 1900s through the 90s, or do the 1910s through the 2000s.
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post #15 of 67
12/7/07 at 4:03pm
Very few films from the 1900s.
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post #16 of 67
12/7/07 at 4:07pm
Do a 70's draft! I guarantee you, every pick would be phenomenal.
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post #17 of 67
12/7/07 at 4:13pm
I'd say another one in a few months would be great. Different eras would work best, though I would hate it if a draft that included the 80's turned into a nostalgia thing. The 90's would be fun, but obvious. The 70's is probably almost as obvious, but the perfect decade. 50-69 or Pre 50 would be fun too.
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post #18 of 67
12/7/07 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Kent
I'd be interested in more, sure. But maybe without some of the venomous snark for picks. I mean, aren't we all comrades here?
I don't think a little venom is so bad, it's all in good fun as long as there are no hard feelings. Just because I hate Zoolander doesn't mean I hate Guttenberg Fan Club.
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post #19 of 67
12/7/07 at 4:35pm
I'm in for a new one. This has been a great deal of fun, as always.

I vote for either 1950's or 1960's. More challenging than 1970's (yawn, Taxi Driver, Godfather, etc.) and less fanboy-ish than 80's or 90's. We'd all have to do some searching and digging, and that would be half the fun.
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post #20 of 67
12/7/07 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Kent
I'd be interested in more, sure. But maybe without some of the venomous snark for picks. I mean, aren't we all comrades here?
The purpose of these drafts is to mock one another's picks. Though I admit- this draft produced ocassionally depressing, beyond-mock-worthy decisions. I say let the venom continue.
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post #21 of 67
12/7/07 at 4:42pm
Unfortunately, if we do an era from before the 70's, I'd probably have to sit it out. My knowlege of 'classic' (pre-Bonnie and Clyde) films has more holes in it than something with a lot of holes in it. Like a wiffle ball, or something.

Regardless, it'd be more interesting and I'd be more than happy to spectate such an event as a 30's draft.
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post #22 of 67
12/7/07 at 4:57pm
edited: question posed in wrong thread
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post #23 of 67
12/7/07 at 5:13pm
A 70's draft would be fantastic. Yawning over Taxi Driver and The Godfather? Those would be gone in the first round, anyways.
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post #24 of 67
12/7/07 at 5:18pm
Be cool to do a character draft and limit it to a decade as well. But the drafts are always fun, so the more the better.
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post #25 of 67
12/7/07 at 5:38pm
I was thinking the same thing.
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post #26 of 67
12/7/07 at 6:16pm
Yeah, it's been a great draft.

I second the idea for a Criterion Draft.
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post #27 of 67
12/7/07 at 8:01pm
A 70s draft would be fun just for seeing whether Annie Hall goes before Star Wars. And that potential long running argument popping up again.
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post #28 of 67
12/7/07 at 8:04pm
I think a 90's draft would produce the most internet fisticuffs. Perhaps we should do that.
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post #29 of 67
12/7/07 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by Matt OCallaghan
An 80's draft has the potential for some real hand wringing and tough picks. I quit my shitty netless day job so I'm in for a draft.

80s draft has more potential for a longer affair. So, if that's what everyone would want to go after...I could live with it.
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post #30 of 67
12/7/07 at 8:41pm
Yeah, on reflection, I'm not sure I'd have enough 1950's films to fill out a draft. 70's, 80's or 90's would probably work better. Maybe these could be 10-rounders?
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post #31 of 67
12/7/07 at 8:50pm
The 40's and 50's could easily be combined into one draft. I think having done a draft of recent films, it'd be more fun to go the complete opposite direction and do some old movies. Maybe just do a draft of anything made pre-1960?
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post #32 of 67
12/7/07 at 8:50pm
What would be the point of a Criterion draft? Eras and genres give a draft a particular context, whereas this seems sort of arbitrary, and probably wouldn't offer nearly as many opportunities for disagreement.

I guess if you were assessing bonus features, commentary tracks and the like, that would be interesting. But good bonus features don't have to reflect a good film, thus blurring the line on why something was being drafted (and how to size up the pick.) And I don't get the sense there are a lot of bad Criterion discs out there, anyway.

Plus, you know certain DVD fetishists would include box art as a factor in their selection, and I just can't support that.
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post #33 of 67
12/7/07 at 8:54pm
Decades could work, of course if you go earlier than the 70s or 60s, half of CHUD will be watching from the sidelines. If there's a willing enough contingent of people interested though, you could certainly do it. I mean, it's not like we're never going to do more than one draft in the future either, so it's entirely plausible and people will enter the ones they know.

Genres could be accessible too. Comedy could be everything from Ernst Lubitsch, to the Marx boys, Tati, Anders Jensen, even the new stuff like Apatow, Edgar Wright, and Shane Black. Hell, there go my draft picks. Strictly foreign might be doable too.

But Criterion's a good call. An Oscar one maybe, just any category winner, but that get's confining and involves a lot of "Wait - what'd that win?"

I think we can all agree Kirby knocked that last one out of the park though. I wasn't in it (it's finals week) but I read the discussions and thought it was handled pretty well.
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post #34 of 67
12/7/07 at 9:05pm
I'd have to say, I was quite jealous in the 00's draft in that my range of movies was limited. I haven't been able to see a wide range of stuff, as LIFE has gotten in the way (and I don't mean that Eddie Murphy movie.) When I get an opportunity to go out, it's something popular, and I catch what I can on DVD.

Now, if we start going back into the past, the number of films I can choose from becomes much larger. And I think that some of the young 'uns here, like Ripoll for example, may find that they would run into the same issues that I had with the '00s draft.

Going back to pre-'60s I think would get really limited response, as the fact that everything we'd seen would've mostly been seen out of time context, and on DVD. Only the real film connoisseurs, and oldies like me, would benefit.

edited to add: looks like Andrew Eaton has the same idea: "half of CHUD will be watching from the sidelines" And don't get me wrong, I would join any draft.
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post #35 of 67
12/7/07 at 9:23pm
I like the idea of a character draft. But as has been mentioned, any draft is better than no draft.
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post #36 of 67
12/7/07 at 9:24pm
I'd be up for a Director Draft.
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post #37 of 67
12/7/07 at 9:29pm
Well since I won the last draft I'm up for some new ones.
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post #38 of 67
12/7/07 at 9:30pm
Gaffers draft?
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post #39 of 67
12/7/07 at 9:54pm

Patrick Predicts the Future: Criterion Draft edition

"Great choice. Third Man is truly a classic."

"Grr! I hate you Spike! I also enjoy Seven Samurai! Go fuck yourself!"

"Jesus Christ Kent, I like The Rock too, but the first round? Are you nuts?*"

In other words, yawnsville.

*I kid, I kid!
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post #40 of 67
12/7/07 at 11:48pm
Thread Starter 
A Criterion draft, to me, would just be forcing people to choose from a specific list of films. It's just a different type of eligibility. The draft would have nothing to do with the DVD or extras or that sort of thing.
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post #41 of 67
12/7/07 at 11:50pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diva
I like the idea of a character draft. But as has been mentioned, any draft is better than no draft.
I like the idea of the character draft, but how would it work?
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post #42 of 67
12/7/07 at 11:57pm
I had a quick idea, that might not work.

The Snubbed Draft

Draft your top 5 flicks from the endless amount of American films that never got an Oscar nomination.
Sure, it ties into what wouldn't work with the Oscar Draft, but I felt like it would be different enough from a straight Oscar Draft.
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post #43 of 67
12/8/07 at 1:18pm
If you continue on with decades, I'd recommend working backwards, 90s, 80s, 70s, 60s, etc. so you can gauge where the lack of interest drops off. There are plenty of films in each era that exist so that there's really no fall off until the Silent Era. Even among the hardcore here, I can't see the Silent Era going much more than 50 picks.
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post #44 of 67
12/8/07 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by EvilTwin
If you continue on with decades, I'd recommend working backwards, 90s, 80s, 70s, 60s, etc. so you can gauge where the lack of interest drops off. There are plenty of films in each era that exist so that there's really no fall off until the Silent Era. Even among the hardcore here, I can't see the Silent Era going much more than 50 picks.

I like this idea. Why don't we do something like this by try to draft daily ala how we're doing it for the Bonus Draft?
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post #45 of 67
12/8/07 at 1:35pm
I don't understand this whole draft business. Someone clue me in. Please.
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post #46 of 67
12/8/07 at 1:45pm
There's a thread called draft rules. Top of the forum.
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post #47 of 67
12/8/07 at 3:50pm
Whatever the topic, 5 rounds is a good length. People drop out of the later rounds if you go too long.
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post #48 of 67
12/8/07 at 5:52pm
I like the Criterion draft idea a lot.

I also like the decades draft idea, and the idea of working backwards through decades.

I also think 5 rounds with a bonus at the end it a nice length.

I think a directors draft or characters draft would be kind of difficult. It would be fun teh first two rounds as people take other people's character choices but after round 3 who cares really?
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post #49 of 67
12/8/07 at 5:59pm
The problem with a character draft is that there are way too many movie characters to choose from. You could theoretically fill an entire round with Star Wars characters alone, and another for the Lord of the Rings. That's no fun.
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post #50 of 67
12/8/07 at 7:34pm
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Originally Posted by Kevin K
The problem with a character draft is that there are way too many movie characters to choose from. You could theoretically fill an entire round with Star Wars characters alone, and another for the Lord of the Rings. That's no fun.
That is true, but I think the other side of the coin there is that people here on CHUD have a VERY wide range of film knowledge, and in an attempt to not look like King Dork, would go away from making those selections and choose characters that no one else would have thought of. The selections are so vast that they allow for really interesting picks.
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