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Wow. Mike Huckabee is a douche.

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From Time:

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Mike Huckabee once advocated isolating AIDS patients from the general public, opposed increased federal funding in the search for a cure and said homosexuality could "pose a dangerous public health risk."

As a candidate for a U.S. Senate seat in 1992, Huckabee answered 229 questions submitted to him by The Associated Press. Besides a quarantine, Huckabee suggested that Hollywood celebrities fund AIDS research from their own pockets, rather than federal health agencies.

"If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague," Huckabee wrote.

"It is difficult to understand the public policy towards AIDS. It is the first time in the history of civilization in which the carriers of a genuine plague have not been isolated from the general population, and in which this deadly disease for which there is no cure is being treated as a civil rights issue instead of the true health crisis it represents."

The AP submitted the questionnaire to both candidates; only Huckabee responded. Incumbent Sen. Dale Bumpers won his four term; Huckabee was elected lieutenant governor the next year and became governor in 1996.

When asked about AIDS research in 1992, Huckabee complained that AIDS research received an unfair share of federal dollars when compared to cancer, diabetes and heart disease.

"In light of the extraordinary funds already being given for AIDS research, it does not seem that additional federal spending can be justified," Huckabee wrote. "An alternative would be to request that multimillionaire celebrities, such as Elizabeth Taylor, Madonna and others who are pushing for more AIDS funding be encouraged to give out of their own personal treasuries increased amounts for AIDS research."

Huckabee did not return messages left with his campaign.

When Huckabee wrote his answers in 1992, it was common knowledge that AIDS could not be spread by casual contact. In late 1991, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said there were 195,718 AIDS patients in the country and that 126,159 people had died from the syndrome.

The nation had an increased awareness of AIDS at the time because pro basketball star Magic Johnson had recently disclosed he carried the virus responsible for it. Johnson retired but returned to the NBA briefly during the 1994-95 season.

Since becoming a presidential candidate this year, Huckabee has supported increased federal funding for AIDS research through the National Institutes of Health.

"My administration will be the first to have an overarching strategy for dealing with HIV and AIDS here in the United States, with a partnership between the public and private sectors that will provide necessary financing and a realistic path toward our goals," Huckabee said in a statement posted on his campaign Web site last month.

Also in the wide-ranging AP questionnaire in 1992, Huckabee said, "I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk."

A Southern Baptist preacher, Huckabee has been a favorite among social conservatives for his vocal opposition to gay marriage. In 2003, Huckabee said that the U.S. Supreme Court was probably right to strike down anti-sodomy laws, but that states still should be able to restrict things such as gay marriage or domestic partner benefits.

"What people do in the privacy of their own lives as adults is their business," Huckabee said. "If they bring it into the public square and ask me as a taxpayer to support it or to endorse it, then it becomes a matter of public discussion and discourse."
He has become a golden child for the failing GOP but I think it's incredibly important to remember that this man is VERY religious and holds some VERY dangerous beliefs.

I just wonder if this will stick and hurt his campaign. I can't stand any of the Republican candidates but this is probably the dumbest thing any of them have said (prove me wrong).
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Huckabee epitomizes how far gone (and untenable) the religious right is in terms of political thinking. He's likable enough to be slightly worrisome to us liberal atheists, but really, some of the shit that comes out of his mouth should give any sensible human pause.
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Yeah, I used to think he was the least objectionable of the GOP, but the more I hear about him, the less I want him anywhere near the Presidency and/or The Supreme Court.
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I don't think politics even matters in a statement like that. Democrat, republican, green party...whatever. It's clear that the man has extreme values and that is something i hope anyone from any party can sense as dangerous.
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And Chuck Norris has endorsed this man. We're doomed.
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Someone must dig up that Walker, Texas Ranger clip, where Haley-Joel Osment has AIDS.
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I think even the conservative Christians would want that.
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Originally Posted by Andrew Collins
Conservative Christians don't think this way,
only insane people.

Let us not make too many sweeping statements.
Sweeping statements like AIDS patients are plague carriers who should be quarantined?
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He's likable enough to be slightly worrisome to us liberal atheists, but really, some of the shit that comes out of his mouth should give any sensible human pause.
That sounds uncomfortably familiar.
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Well, should he become President, I will have no problem with emigrating to another country because I don't want to live in a theocracy.

Also, he's really evil.
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Hel-LO, Vancouver!
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Originally Posted by Andrew Collins
No, statements like saying that a large part of the Christians in the country would want AIDS patients quarantined
Who said that?

Conservative Christians are among the least tolerant groups in this country, and there is no doubt they are the largest and most vocal. I have no trouble believing that many of them wouldn't mind being isolated from other groups, which is not the same thing as forcibly quarantining people.
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I'm not going to judge from this one article. Don't get me wrong. I don't know Huckabee at all, he wasn't on my radar until Chuck endorsed him. I will say that 1992 was a totally different mindset for AIDS\HIV than just a few years later and isolationism or even 'tatooing' people with AIDS were seriously considered notions. I'd be more interested to know if he still supports that measure before I judge him.

I for one wasn't for it back then nor now, schools should have sex education and condoms passed around for every year past 6th grade. Back when I was in high school (around 1993) they brought in a a few people with AIDS and HIV and they gave a two hour lecture on AIDS, the medicines they were taking, how long each one of them had left to live, what it did to their family, how they contracted it.. etc.. it worked!
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Originally Posted by Snaieke
I'm not going to judge from this one article. Don't get me wrong. I don't know Huckabee at all, he wasn't on my radar until Chuck endorsed him. I will say that 1992 was a totally different mindset for AIDS\HIV than just a few years later and isolationism or even 'tatooing' people with AIDS were seriously considered notions. I'd be more interested to know if he still supports that measure before I judge him.
From the conservative mouthpiece National Review Online:

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Adler
The Huckabee statement Byron posts below is exceedingly disingenuous. By 1992 it was well understood that AIDS could not be transmitted by casual contact. Citing concerns about breast milk or exposure from health care workers in a medical context are not particularly relevant.

Yes I'm a Thomspon supporter, but I would think Huck's comments were indefensible no matter who I supported.
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Another astonishing fact in that excerpt: there are still Thompson supporters?!?
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Originally Posted by Snaieke
I'm not going to judge from this one article. Don't get me wrong. I don't know Huckabee at all, he wasn't on my radar until Chuck endorsed him. I will say that 1992 was a totally different mindset for AIDS\HIV than just a few years later and isolationism or even 'tatooing' people with AIDS were seriously considered notions. I'd be more interested to know if he still supports that measure before I judge him.
You've got to be fucking kidding me. He either didn't look at the evidence, looked at the evidence and still let his irrational fears enter the public discourse, or, most likely, whether he looked at the evidence or not, was playing to the public's fear to garner support. None of these possibilities are remotely acceptable, especially when dealing with a national health issue. Whether or not he would still espouse these reprehensible views compeltely misses the point. In a way I wish he would, because then he'd be dismissed out of hand. Believe Mundt when he says Huckabee's got dangerous fundamentalist ties.
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Its astonishing how far the Republican party has fallen since Dubya became president. Though the Republican presidential candidate will def. get some votes next Nov. this election is for the Democrats to loose.

Huckabee is just another example of how out of touch Republicans are with most of the country. Like i saw on a bumper sticker the other day: "The Republican Party, America's bridge to the 12th Century" LOL! Here's hoping the GOP goes the way of the Whigs.!!
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My question is...Didn't Huckabee think someone might see this someday when he decied to run for President? It's a pretty big WTF to most people.
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Originally Posted by lordelsey
My question is...Didn't Huckabee think someone might see this someday when he decied to run for President? It's a pretty big WTF to most people.
Something tells me Huckabee doesn't stop to reflect before he speaks.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Cthulhu
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!
post #21 of 51
I'd love for Huckabee to get the GOP nomination. All you have to say is, "Remember all the inept loyal evangelical cronies Bush and Cheney gave really important jobs to? They'll get to keep their jobs if you vote for Huck."

I honestly think Bush's inept ass has helped smarten some independents up a bit. Huckabee would be virtually doomed in the general election.
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Originally Posted by lordelsey
My question is...Didn't Huckabee think someone might see this someday when he decied to run for President? It's a pretty big WTF to most people.
Well, I could be wrong on this but I think most "Christian" fundamentalists (See Huckabee supporters) are still convinced that AIDS is spread through homosexual sex and no "Christians" are homosexual... so... you know, It's all good to them.

After reading the follow up I'd have to say he's a schmuck. There's also this article. All of which convinces me Hackabee is not for me... If this guy gets the nomination or even a VP spot I think this Republican will be going for the Democrat candidate, which I prefer to be Hilary.
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Originally Posted by Snaieke
Well, I could be wrong on this but I think most "Christian" fundamentalists (See Huckabee supporters) are still convinced that AIDS is spread through homosexual sex
You mean it's not?

Yes, lots of people think that homosexual contact is the only way to get it. But ask yourself: how many people actually get tested regularly and between every partner, and use protection for all forms of sex (including oral)? Most people simply say "oh, but (s)he looks clean" or "none of my partners have had anything" - without actual test results, as if they psychically know. So there is a lot of misinformation and inaccurate beliefs and inappropriate behavior out there. Doesn't make any of it good or correct, but it does make it prevelent amongst the population, not just the "Christians." Clearly, of course, we'd want something better than that in our president, but I'm just saying that Christians aren't the only people who aren't informed and active about STD prevention.

Heck, whole countries in Africa are declining the use of contraceptives and modern anti-virals in favor of ineffective remedies. So, ya know, it's not just wacky governors that think that way.
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car
Meanwhile, Romney, McCain, Thompson, and Romney
Man, I knew the guy was too phony to be real, but I didn't know they made another one.
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car
If he gets the nomination, I will vote for either Clinton or Obama.
I doubt he'd get the nomination. But regardless, few if any of the republicans are actually republican any more (including Mr. Bush), so there really isn't a clear choice on that side. Which is sad, really, since our two-party system doesn't really allow for many other options. I think a more diverse field would raise the bar.

But, hell, I'm pretty libertarian anyway, so what do I care? I'm much more invested in what the supreme court has to say about the 2nd amendment. (By the way, anyone else wish Justice Roberts was running for president? And who else thinks that if Clinton is elected, she'll try to put Obama on the supreme court?)
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Originally Posted by Minsky
Let's not forget that this is the asshole who wants science teachers to introduce "creationtelligent designism" into their curriculum. He claims that a stance on evolution is irrelevant to the presidency. I disagree.
Me too. Basic critical thinking skills and an education beyond the third grade are both important to those in positions of power.
post #27 of 51
He's getting heavy play from the propaganda machine on corporate radio. My brother, who listens to Glenn Beck, has been talking about Huckabee lately but had no idea that he was a radical right wing Christian. The Glenn Becks of the world must be softballing this aspect.

JVC, I'm curious, if the election were held today and you had your choice of anyone in the field, right or left, who would you vote for?
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Originally Posted by Snaieke
I'm not going to judge from this one article. Don't get me wrong. I don't know Huckabee at all, he wasn't on my radar until Chuck endorsed him. I will say that 1992 was a totally different mindset for AIDS\HIV than just a few years later and isolationism or even 'tatooing' people with AIDS were seriously considered notions. I'd be more interested to know if he still supports that measure before I judge him.
Click here and judge away!
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ps. it's worth noting that Huckabee freed the rapist for political reasons. Evidently the teenage rape victim had been a family friend of the Clintons and the far-right's maniacal hatred for all things Clinton drove them to demand Huckabee free him, in spite of pleas from the victim's family not to. So, Huckabee freed the rapist, who went on to rape and murder again.
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Christ, that's a horrible thing to do.
post #31 of 51
Also, Huckabee's tenuous, pointless connections between immigration and abortion expose him as a vapid thinker and dangerously tangential. I mean, don't we deserve someone who will spend NO TIME thinking about ways to bring together his favorite wedge issues into a combo pak?
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No, that's a good answer and I appreciate you throwing it down.
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Those goddamn Duggars...

I have an acquaintance who just finished law school and she was always throwing around overpopulation as the reason for just about every problem. I just assumed she held that belief because she didn't want to feel guilty about all the poor people in the world. She still may argue overpopulation for that reason, but ever since Alan Weisman pointed out in The World Without Us that if everyone produced 1 offspring in their lifetime (not sure if it's 1 per couple or 1 per person) the Earth would be down to 1.5 billion people in 50 years, I've had a hard time disagreeing that we are indeed overpopulating our planet.

I've also found it hard to not hate humongous Christian families. They see breeding as method of evangelising and that's a stupid way to lie about loving to fuck.
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The Duggars have a prayer closet. Enough said.
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car
Romney makes me uncomfortable with his hawkishness and shifting of positions, but I honestly feel he would be the most competent and effective president out of the Republicans running. The guy's incredibly smart, articulate, accomplished, and knows how to work with a majority of the opposite party. It would be a nice change.
He's a monster and a thug and would step up the pace of torture as US policy. He's also willing to suspend habeus corpus for people who really, really scare Republicans. He's a bad person and shouldn't be allowed access to the kind of power the president of the US wields.

The best of the Republicans is Paul. He's crazy too, but it's a less bloodthirsty sort of crazy.
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Originally Posted by Minsky
From Cuchulain's cnn article:

Finally, a champion for the deadly underpopulation issue now facing our country!
At least this argument harkens back to the real reason homosexuality was frowned upon in the Bible -- no babies, the tribe doesn't grow, and they're wiped out or absorbed by the other tribes. Like pretty much every law or commandment in the Bible, it was simply basic survival and societal rules given heft by adding the threat of divine punishment for not following them. Now that we've swarmed all over the planet, I think non-procreative relationships may actually be a wise idea.
post #37 of 51
Stuff like that is one more reason I'm glad I'm not an American.
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Given that Huckabee seems to view AIDS as a plague and also seems to favor the way in which society generally dealt with plagues in the past, I think it might do the guy some good to read Luther's Whether One Should Flee The Deadly Plague. Unfortunately, something tells me he's more of a On the Jews and Their Lies guy.
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
At least this argument harkens back to the real reason homosexuality was frowned upon in the Bible -- no babies, the tribe doesn't grow, and they're wiped out or absorbed by the other tribes. Like pretty much every law or commandment in the Bible, it was simply basic survival and societal rules given heft by adding the threat of divine punishment for not following them. Now that we've swarmed all over the planet, I think non-procreative relationships may actually be a wise idea.

Agreed, I think that deep down organized religion doesn't want gay men to deny their true nature, it just insists that they fuck the ugly chicks for economic reasons.

Wouldn't it be ironic if the Desert God's insistence that everyone have kids regardless of orientation has led to a massive increase in the number of 'homosexual genotypes' throughout society? HAHAHA
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Here's another chestnut:

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In August of 1998, Huckabee was one of 131 signatories to a full page USA Today Ad which declared: “I affirm the statement on the family issued by the 1998 Southern Baptist Convention.” What was in the family statement from the SBC? “A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ.”
source.
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Originally Posted by yt
Here's another chestnut:


source.
They affirmed the Old Testament duty of the wife without the New Testament writings on marriage . . . that's odd for a Christian denomination. Here are some samples:

"The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife." ~ 1 Corinthians 7:4

"In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself." ~ Ephesians 5:28

Here's the the ripe one, though: "For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior." Ephesians 5:23. Now, class, can anyone tell me what Christians usually believe about Christ's role as the Savior? "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Okay, so, they believe that God, out of love, endured the Incarnation for the sake of his "bride" the Church. Just to drive home the point of the Christian conception of love, let's look at what Christ himself says is the ultimate act of love: "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." ~ John 15:13. So, if we take the Bible to be the doctrinal norm of our faith and it tells us that husbands should love their wives and emulate the example of love that Christ's life illustrates, how should one treat his wife? With selflessness, love, kindness, and respect? Perhaps. . .
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Originally Posted by Cuchulain
They affirmed the Old Testament duty of the wife without the New Testament writings on marriage . . . that's odd for a Christian denomination. Here are some samples:

"The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife." ~ 1 Corinthians 7:4

"In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself." ~ Ephesians 5:28

Here's the the ripe one, though: "For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior." Ephesians 5:23. Now, class, can anyone tell me what Christians usually believe about Christ's role as the Savior? "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Okay, so, they believe that God, out of love, endured the Incarnation for the sake of his "bride" the Church. Just to drive home the point of the Christian conception of love, let's look at what Christ himself says is the ultimate act of love: "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." ~ John 15:13. So, if we take the Bible to be the doctrinal norm of our faith and it tells us that husbands should love their wives and emulate the example of love that Christ's life illustrates, how should one treat his wife? With selflessness, love, kindness, and respect? Perhaps. . .
Fag.
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Originally Posted by Cuchulain
They affirmed the Old Testament duty of the wife without the New Testament writings on marriage . . . that's odd for a Christian denomination. Here are some samples:

"The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife." ~ 1 Corinthians 7:4

"In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself." ~ Ephesians 5:28

Here's the the ripe one, though: "For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior." Ephesians 5:23. Now, class, can anyone tell me what Christians usually believe about Christ's role as the Savior? "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Okay, so, they believe that God, out of love, endured the Incarnation for the sake of his "bride" the Church. Just to drive home the point of the Christian conception of love, let's look at what Christ himself says is the ultimate act of love: "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." ~ John 15:13. So, if we take the Bible to be the doctrinal norm of our faith and it tells us that husbands should love their wives and emulate the example of love that Christ's life illustrates, how should one treat his wife? With selflessness, love, kindness, and respect? Perhaps. . .
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post #44 of 51
Dems should be rooting for Huckabee. There's no way he'd win in the general election.
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Dems should be rooting for Huckabee. There's no way he'd win in the general election.
Me and my passport hope you're right.
post #47 of 51
Man, he was only 6 Pakistanis away from being able to tie it all together with a big crazy religious bow.
post #48 of 51
Besides the sheer idiocy of what Huckabee's saying, I have to wonder how fucking stupid are the people that likes what he has to say.
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus
Besides the sheer idiocy of what Huckabee's saying, I have to wonder how fucking stupid are the people that likes what he has to say.
George W. Bush was elected twice. You live in a country inhabited by at least 51 million shitwits. Its depressing, but thems the facts.
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Originally Posted by Huckabee the Preacher-Man
"I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ."
Seriously, Huckabee can suck my left nut.
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