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Did you know the Iraqs attacked us on 9/11

post #1 of 25
12/12/07 at 3:28pm
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This is just too damn depressing for words:

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Originally Posted by "Some Professor"

I have now received three (3) student papers that discuss Iraq’s attack on the Twin Towers on 9/11. All three papers mention it as an aside to another point. I’ve had two papers on the virtue of forgiveness that argue that if we had just forgiven Iraq for the 9/11 attacks, we wouldn’t be at war right now. I just read a paper on the problem of evil which asked why God allowed “the Iraq’s” to attack us on 9/11. The thing that upsets me most here is that the the students don’t just believe that that Iraq was behind 9/11. This is a big fact in their minds, that leaps out at them, whenever they think about the state of the world.
Oi fucking vey.

http://crookedtimber.org/2007/12/12/how-things-seep-in/
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post #2 of 25
12/12/07 at 3:45pm
We are Orwell's proles, easy to control.
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post #3 of 25
12/12/07 at 3:53pm
I hope that "Some Professor" failed every single last one of those students. Not real likely they'll forget after that.
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post #4 of 25
12/12/07 at 4:01pm
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Hell, most of us probably used to think that Chris Columbus was a pretty stand-up guy rather than a bloodthirsty imperialist ass.
I liked him better when he wrote Gremlins.
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post #5 of 25
12/12/07 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by harrybeanbag
Hell, most of us probably used to think that Chris Columbus was a pretty stand-up guy rather than a bloodthirsty imperialist ass.
Hey, he slaughtered millions so we could have a three day weekend! You better respect!
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post #6 of 25
12/12/07 at 4:13pm
As long as he failed them first. The only way we fix education in this country is to start failing students. Oh, and kick the Christians off of the school boards and vigilantly KEEP THEM OFF. They're the enemy in the War on Stupidity. Which I just now declared. If you're old enough to run for school board, and you're in an area where the school board is Christian controlled, make the run. You can win if you play your cards right.
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post #7 of 25
12/12/07 at 4:26pm
All we need to do to fix education in America is to examine the Reagan Administration and undo everything that happened during that period.

Students who go to private schools know what/where Iraq is and whether or not it attacked us (with certain Christian schools excepted).

Private schools are generally well-funded and operate in the black. They can afford to provide resources above and beyond the basics and give students an exponential advantage over kids in public schools.

Public schools operate perpetually in the red since Reagan slashed and burned the infrastructure of this country to redistribute the middle class's wealth to only the richest Americans. Unless they possess innate or extraordinary talents, kids in public schools will most often be behind the curve for their entire lives.

The schools were starved under Reagan, and then brought under the hammer of No Child Left Behind, which enforces testing so rigorously (without funding for resources) that teachers with so much more to offer are forced by their administrators to "teach to the test." It's an across-the-board way to dumb this generation down, so that they will become perfect little "dumb consumers" and have only the foggiest notion of their place in the world and potential to be extraordinary.
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post #8 of 25
12/12/07 at 4:41pm
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Sure, but as long as they're not gay or atheist, we're good.
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post #9 of 25
12/12/07 at 4:42pm
And now that they think Iraq was the culprit, how do you force stupid teenagers to think differently? Other than waterboarding?
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post #10 of 25
12/12/07 at 6:07pm
By explaining the facts to them.
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post #11 of 25
12/12/07 at 6:24pm
But waterboarding works wonders, too.
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post #12 of 25
12/12/07 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by Jack "Sue" Dnim
There's a second Iraq!? And it attacked us too!? Is there no end!?
"There is no second Iraq to bomb"
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post #13 of 25
12/12/07 at 6:38pm
Let's make cute shirts for Britney and Paris to wear that mention that OBL and most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi. But more cute.
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post #14 of 25
12/12/07 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
By explaining the facts to them.
To teenagers? You're kidding, right?
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post #15 of 25
12/12/07 at 7:09pm
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Originally Posted by MissZooey
I hope that "Some Professor" failed every single last one of those students. Not real likely they'll forget after that.
He said he didn't take off any points for their, uh, creativity.
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post #16 of 25
12/12/07 at 7:09pm
This isn't trying to convince them that drinking is uncool. There is incontrovertible evidence that these men were Saudis. They'll get it. It's not complicated.
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post #17 of 25
12/13/07 at 1:09am
I know this girl that was voting for the first time in 2004. I asked her, nonchalantly making sure to be as non-intrusive as possible, who she was thinking about voting for. She responds, "I don't know. Bush I think. That's who my parents are voting for." I didn't challenge her because I was staring at her chest.

Which one of us was at fault?
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post #18 of 25
12/13/07 at 3:32am
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Originally Posted by D. Richard
I know this girl that was voting for the first time in 2004. I asked her, nonchalantly making sure to be as non-intrusive as possible, who she was thinking about voting for. She responds, "I don't know. Bush I think. That's who my parents are voting for." I didn't challenge her because I was staring at her chest.

Which one of us was at fault?
The fact you refer to her as "this girl" and not "A woman I slept with" indicates you are at fault here.
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post #19 of 25
12/13/07 at 8:06am
Its just a result of the formula:
Corporate/Financial/Political/Private Interest + Control of Media + Peoples desire to understand everything in 2 minutes max. = A few control the opinions and "truths" of many.

Which is why, IMO, democracy does not work without independant sources of information. Which again is why democracy seems to fail a lot.

Unfortunately, its highly undesirably for many of the worlds leaders /rich elite to have people educated.

Regarding "teaching to the test": There is something else at fault there, too. Its the fact that in the first world, nowadays you are what you got papers for, most of the time. Its an extremely narrow focus on certain achievements, grades and ranks thats at fault here. People dont want to "waste" valuable time on stuff they dont require to know to get a great job, get rich or die trying. If education, knowledge and art is considered superfluos to good grades in economics classes, thats what you get for it. And I dont fault them. Too many are raised to believe exactly that. After all, knowing who the first roman emperor was doesnt pay the bills, does it?
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post #20 of 25
12/13/07 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by Van Jones
To teenagers? You're kidding, right?
No. What's so difficult to understand about "Iraq didn't attack us on September 11, 2001."?
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post #21 of 25
12/13/07 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
No. What's so difficult to understand about "Iraq didn't attack us on September 11, 2001."?
"But the guy on TV says Iraq is the bad guys"
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post #22 of 25
12/13/07 at 12:15pm
I just hope that teacher marked those papers down, using facts to explain that Iraq was not involved in 9/11.

Because if he didn't, he's not really that good a teacher and those kids would be better off learning some craft rather than attending school.
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post #23 of 25
12/13/07 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by harrybeanbag
...Which is kinda why I'm working on a teaching degree. Go figure, eh? :/
Self-flagellation isn't quite doing it for you and you're looking for something more potent?
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post #24 of 25
12/13/07 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by harrybeanbag
While I'm not trying to say that every teenager is a colossal moron, I think you might be giving them a little too much credit, 'bass.
I don't think I'm giving anyone credit, actually. It's not as if I'm expecting them to crank out a treatise on American interference in the middle east over the past fifty years, I'm expecting them to understand a simple sentence. I don't think I'm asking much.

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There are people in my college Sociology and Political Science classes who are so woefully out of touch with current issues that it's depressing. I can't imagine many teenagers giving much more of a damn.

...Which is kinda why I'm working on a teaching degree. Go figure, eh? :/
Go for physics. The current set of lies won't get in the way of that. You might have to deal with some old, old lies, but that's what classrooms are for.
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post #25 of 25
12/13/07 at 4:55pm
Genuine good hopes to you, Seabass, but I just don't really trust teenagers all that much.
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