who do you hope is/isn't outed by the Mitchell Report? - Page 2

It's not shocking. It was just a goof based on him having that one great season that was so disproportionate to the rest of his career.

My bad. My intent was only to poke fun of Rocker's ridiculous comments, and perhaps was poorly phrased.

As for the absence of certain people from the list, let's all not lose sight of the fact that this is not supposed to be a definitive list, only a list of players that they have evidence against. I'm sure there are at least another hundred players that, so far, haven't been implicated because they didn't have any link to this Mets trainer, or whatever he is.

Pudge doesnt surprise me abit. He was already names by Canseco as well as he lost about 30 pounds the first year steroid testing came in.

Jose Canseco? Good thing I was sitting down when I read the list!

/end facetious mode

Only name that gets me is Pettitte. He's one of my all-time favorites so that one cut me a bit.

Thrilled no Bagwell or Biggio. Absolutely ecstatic.

So thrilled Clemens IS on the list. I can't stand the prick. I went to school with his nephew, and met him on several occasions in little league, and after, and he was an insufferable bastard. When he came to Houston and everyone blew him it drove me nuts, and I avoided games he pitched. Maybe now some of the people here will stop sucking him off.

Don't know that I'd bet on that...

Maybe go back and read the correct list posted by Monkaholic in post #64 and take a look at who is not there.

Mitchell has said himself he doubts this is everyone who used PED's its just who he has found out so far. Not a doubt in mind mind pudge used steroids he played with the god father of steroids Canseco, Palmerio who was busted and Juna Gonzalez who has been linked to roids for about 10 year now whether Pudge is on the list or not I am pretty sure he used.

Since Tek didn't really contribute the last few seasons is it ok to let the Sox have their titles?

Come on man. Varitek is not named in the report. The original list was a fabrication.

Until someone sues CNBC for libel, I'm inclined to believe every word of that first list as well. Just because they're not in Mitchell's report doesn't make them innocent.

Obviously the Mitchell report doesn't contain all the cheaters, but this has no bearing on the accuracy of the NBC report. Maybe I'm just too emotionally invested, but I'm not inclined to believe that the great El Guapo was on the juice. I'm also not inclined to believe NBC and their anonymous sources.

I am deeply embarrassed to be a Dodgers fan right now.

It took this to make you embarrassed of that fact?

HA!

Too bad it's a Padres and a Giants fan laughing at you. We're just jealous.

Well I guess he's tried and convicted then, hunh? I'm sure Pudge is hanging his head in shame because Wease is "pretty sure" he used.

CBS Sportsline had the best headline about this: "Mitch Slapped"

Buster Olney was on Mike and Mike this morning and the subject of Hall of Fame voting came up. His said he talked to a Hall voter who said he would never vote for Bonds or Clemens or anyone even remotely connected to the report. Olney said he mentioned that someone had said they heard from another person that a third party had mentioned giving Derek Jeter HGH, and the voter said, "Then I probably won't vote for him either." The assumption is now, with how undetectable HGH use is, that anyone who played during the so-called "steroid era" was probably on something. So, Olney asked, do you just stop voting players into the Hall? Or do you simply vote for who seems less guilty, or has the least provable allegation? He asserts that 75% of the major individual award winners during the steroid era were using performance enhancing drugs, and by the logic, the best players of that era were still the best players.

That's the dumbest logic I've ever heard. They would've been great players anyway, so that makes it okay? That's like saying that Muhammad Ali should've been allowed to bring a baseball bat into the ring because hey, he would've won the fight anyway.

But that's about par for the course for ESPN, the Al Jazeera of Major League Baseball.

One of the lesser known names on the list, F.P. Santangelo, does a morning radio show out here and took call after call from people. A lot of folks were supportive of him, but many were also calling for him to quit the show because they were so disgusted that his name appeared. It was good radio.

I wonder if this will increase the HOF chances of players who played the bulk of their careers during the "pre-roid" era. Andre Dawson is looking better and better.

I wish I'd been able to hear that. I knew he was a Sacramento guy and did a show on KHTK, but the only time I've ever heard him was doing guest spots on KNBR (filling in for another "controversial" figure, Larry Krueger.) The guy should quit just out of shame. I mean, he was on the juice and he still sucked that badly? And I can't imagine his "just one of the guys shooting the shit" style is going to play with the average fan at this point. Still, if your options are him, Napear, or Kozimor, maybe I would go with the cheater.

His point was that the chances are so many players were using drugs that the playing field was still equal, even if it was equal at an artificially high level.

Believe me, I generally stay away from Santangelo's morning show unless every other reasonable option is in commercial. It is going to be interesting to see how he treats talking about other players, from any sport, who are going through scandals from here on out. Apparently he has been pretty hard on the Kings' Ron Artest and some of his "issues" over the last year so a lot of people are finding him now to be a bit of a hypocrite.

He did always try to convey an image of "I may not have been an all-star, but I was a scrappy blue-collar player who stuck around the big leagues through hard work." I reckon that's shot to hell now.

So this spring, I'll be sitting in beautiful Nationals Park and booing our new starting catcher.

What a drag.

Tonnes of star players in baseball are low draft picks. I would venture a guess there are just as many stars drafted between rounds 10-30 than there are 1-10. So if thats your arguement of why Pujols is on the juice its a pretty weak one.

The reason he probably lasted til the 13th round is there are about 60 million baseball teams to evaluate talent from and some guys get missed. Plus baseball is played in alot more places than football and basketball so again it is also way easier to be missed. I am pretty sure Pujols only started playing organizied ball when he was 15 or 16 years old. Not a hell of alot of time to be scouted. Baseball is actually the one sport where if you dont get drafted high you still have the potential to be a superstar. There have been so many guys who were drafted low who turned out great it isnt even funny. Don Mattingly to name one. There have also been way more misses than hits when it comes to the first or second round of baseball draft. Brien Taylor and Todd Van Poppel to just
name a few.

At this point I'm just as likely to think a guy took steroids as not, but your contention isn't any less dubious. Pujols didn't have some severe stat spike, or start to decline and then ramp his production back up. Those are the players who strain credibility and one has to jump through hoops to defend. When a guy starts playing as a teenager and is a superstar at 21, it isn't any more apparent that he is a user than a natural. One might be more likely, but at this point it is cynicism, not logic, that makes you paint Pujols with the same brush as Clemens and Bonds.

Heh. Someone should take away their music awards because they had an unfair advantage. At least put an asterisk next to their names!!!!

And Tyler Perry - oh that is glorious!

Anyone watching the live hearing going on right now? I have no faith in these people after hearing them speak.

Now he thinks he's Ted Turner.

Pujols bans TV station
Cards slugger still irked by erroneous steroids report

ST. LOUIS (AP) -- Albert Pujols, angry his name was incorrectly linked to the Mitchell Report on steroids last month, banned a St. Louis television station from participating in a news conference Monday.

Pujols asked Cardinals media relations director Brian Bartow to make a reporter and cameraman from St. Louis Fox affiliate KTVI leave the room where Pujols' news conference was taking place on the final day of the Cardinals' winter warmup.

On Dec. 13, KTVI broadcast an incorrect report, citing information posted on the Web site of New York television station WNBC, that linked Pujols and other players to the Mitchell Report.

When the report was released that day, Pujols' name was not included.

"I know we're in the dark clouds with the steroids," Pujols said. "But now people are going to second-guess my numbers because some guys started something that wasn't the truth."

The KTVI duo watched Monday's news conference from the corner of the room with the camera off and did not participate.

The incorrect broadcast, Pujols told reporters, showed "50 percent of the things you guys write is not true, and I'm glad that happened."

KTVI acting news director Audrey Prywitch had no comment. After the Mitchell Report was released, WNBC.com posted a statement that it "regrets the error and sincerely apologizes for providing the incorrect information."

WNBC spokeswoman Anna Carbonell said Monday the station had "no further comment on this story."

In the wake of the incorrect report, Pujols said there's bound to be skepticism about his impressive career. Every year since making his debut in 2001, he's batted .300 with 30 home runs. Last year, he missed scoring 100 runs for the seventh straight year by one run.

He said he will not take legal action but expressed disappointment that he wasn't given the benefit of the doubt.

The 27-year-old enters 2008 with a .332 average and 282 homers -- numbers he says came about naturally.

"Since 2001, I've been proving myself every year," he said. "How much better can I get? Only God knows. Do I need to cheat in this game to get better? This is a hobby, man. I fear God too much to do stupid things in this game. Cheating on this game, that's not right."

Pujols has been dealing with doubters since shortly after he began his career, first with his age. Throughout the years he said media have tried to goad him into creating controversy.

"I remember from 2001, 'Oh he's not 21,"' Pujols said. "During the playoffs, they always look for the big names to start things. And now with the steroids I've been getting rocks all over the place, and they keep bouncing off me."

Pujols said he decided against offseason surgery on his right elbow, a trouble spot for several years, because he would have had to miss a significant portion if not all the 2008 season. Pujols still is unable to straighten his arm, but team doctors concluded that because he plays first base, an operation can be postponed.

He said his elbow bothered him the second half of last season, and said if that happens again he wouldn't try to soldier through it.

"If the same problem is happening this year, I don't think I'm to play the whole year the same way," Pujols said. "I sacrificed my body."

Trainer reportedly gives Justice Dept. evidence that star used steroids, HGH

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22756043/