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Masters of the Universe still run New York

Violent districts have been gentrified but, 20 years after The Bonfire of the Vanities, rich white bankers are even richer, reports Paul Harris

Sunday December 16, 2007
The Observer

Robert Thompson remembers vividly what happened when he opened The Bonfire of the Vanities, the chronicle of Eighties New York that captured the city as a decaying cauldron of racial and social division, poised to boil over into disaster.

'I just sat down and kept on reading. I didn't get up until I had finished. He captured that moment of time so well,' said Thompson, professor of popular culture at Syracuse University.

Thompson was not alone. Twenty years ago this month Tom Wolfe's novel hit American bookstores and became both a literary sensation and a cultural landmark. It was a tale of how a wrong turning in the Bronx plunged rich white banker Sherman McCoy into a maelstrom of racial strife and skulduggery.
Interesting. This sort of gentrification seems to be happening to a lot of cities. (I'm not sure where all the money is coming from.) I know the city is not NY, but you could almost swap Vancouver in here, with the insane wealth gaps and the ugly condos. Tiny Victoria, where I'm from, as well; complete case of out of control development, ugly condos, and a vulgar H2 driving new money plutocracy. And then this weekend's globe has this: Hudson Yard; Go to Reportonbusiness to see one hideous internationalist property delopment; seriously, it isn't small.
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What's that got to do with Dolph Lungren?
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Originally Posted by Adam Warren
Interesting. This sort of gentrification seems to be happening to a lot of cities. (I'm not sure where all the money is coming from.) I know the city is not NY, but you could almost swap Vancouver in here, with the insane wealth gaps and the ugly condos. Tiny Victoria, where I'm from, as well; complete case of out of control development, ugly condos, and a vulgar H2 driving new money plutocracy.
Vancouver is only going to get worst as the Olympics approach. For the moment, Montreal hasn't been hit too hard by this but it's still visible and palpable.
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I don't know Alexor, I think it's coming quickly. Old buildings have some legal protection, but I see a lot of fancy eyesores going up between Sherbrooke and the river. Everyone wants to look rich. I blame Ralph Lauren.
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I don't know Alexor, I think it's coming quickly. Old buildings have some legal protection, but I see a lot of fancy eyesores going up between Sherbrooke and the river. Everyone wants to look rich. I blame Ralph Lauren.
I'm not saying it's not happening, it's just not as bad as Vancouver, Toronto and New York. Montreal is not as rich as these cities. That is a good thing.

What makes me happy is that most of these big condo complexes that have been built downtown have a lot of trouble selling units because: they are ugly, they are too expensive and the housing bubble is over. With a little luck, in a few years prices will go down.
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I'm not saying it's not happening, it's just not as bad as Vancouver, Toronto and New York. Montreal is not as rich as these cities. That is a good thing.

What makes me happy is that most of these big condo complexes that have been built downtown have a lot of trouble selling units because: they are ugly, they are too expensive and the housing bubble is over. With a little luck, in a few years prices will go down.
The only one of those ugly riverside Mega-Condos that's cool is Tropique Nord. Parrots and rainforests and grown-in-Quebec bananas and shit.
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What's that got to do with Dolph Lungren?
I as well was hoping for a good discussion of that film as well.
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"Have you seen it? It's this long and it's got lights on it."
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"Have you seen it? It's this long and it's got lights on it."
Somebody has been eavesdropping on my end-of-the-date line delivery...
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What's that got to do with Dolph Lungren?
He did do a guest spot for the Masters float in the '86 Macy's parade in NY.
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"Where's Vanna?"

IT. NEVER. GETS. OLD.
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Originally Posted by Graynadian
I don't know Alexor, I think it's coming quickly. Old buildings have some legal protection, but I see a lot of fancy eyesores going up between Sherbrooke and the river. Everyone wants to look rich. I blame Ralph Lauren.
I don't know, Ralph Lauren may be likely, but my bets are on this guy:
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I heard of stories about Chicago and the massive gentrification of Downtown and the North Side. Many of those place were filled to the brim with Latinos but as times change and the area near the lake began being attractive the old neighborhood began being too expencive forcing older folk out and younger folk in and the poor out to the burbs. If anyone has anything more to say on that let me know and if possible correct me.
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Rich getting richer? The devil you say.
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Montreal is not as rich as these cities. That is a good thing..
I'll say it is. Beyond being absolutely destitute, I think cities function a lot better — that is, on a social and cultural level — without so-called economic booms. The economy is important, but only in the same way infrastructure, good planning, and urban settings are important; these things merely undergird a strong culture and healthy society. When functioning properly. Mad, out of control real-estate booms, or even short-term economic bonanzas only get citizens in a tizzy to make money. The results are ugly buildings and a surplus of the shit aspiring suburbanites buy in order to look rich. Then everything goes tits up, and people are left holding the bag, or an unfulfilling lifestyle they can't afford.
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As someone who built 2 of these ridiculous towers, nope, the prices won't go down. The whole thing about Montreal is that Quebec, as a whole, is cheap. We build cheap, and it's not gonna change quickly as the boomer generation who still control the money likes it that way.

Expect more luxury towers to pop out, even if it's not making sense.
I think most boomers will migrate to the country. They have money and they'll want to move away from those dangerous cities with all those strange crazy colored people. I believe (hope) these towers won't have any buyers in 5 years because the Boomers are fleeing Montreal.
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Dammit, you get me all amped up for a He-Man discussion, then you tear me down.

Damn you, sir, damn you.
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Wow, that He-Man float is just mindblowing. WOW, just fucking WOW!
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Originally Posted by Adam Warren
Interesting. This sort of gentrification seems to be happening to a lot of cities. (I'm not sure where all the money is coming from.) I know the city is not NY, but you could almost swap Vancouver in here, with the insane wealth gaps and the ugly condos.
I was actually amazed when I went to visit Vancouver because it's generally a beautiful city, but one of the first things you see as you cross the bridge to the island are the most hideous, South-Florida-style condo high-rises you can imagine, with top to bottom teal-tinted windows. The city itself is a staggering (in a good way) mix of architecture, but the new buildings are just nasty.

Ugh.
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Interesting. This sort of gentrification seems to be happening to a lot of cities. (I'm not sure where all the money is coming from.)
The short answer: daddy.

The long answer: father.
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The short answer: daddy.
Unsurprising.
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I was actually amazed when I went to visit Vancouver because it's generally a beautiful city, but one of the first things you see as you cross the bridge to the island are the most hideous, South-Florida-style condo high-rises you can imagine, with top to bottom teal-tinted windows.[/URL]
They're grotesque. One mark of a good city is being able to find architectural bearing points, so that the place might be easily navigated on foot; in Vancouver, this impossible — every building looks the same.
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Originally Posted by Adam Warren
Interesting. This sort of gentrification seems to be happening to a lot of cities. (I'm not sure where all the money is coming from.) I know the city is not NY, but you could almost swap Vancouver in here, with the insane wealth gaps and the ugly condos.
I must have been thinking about Devin's interview w/ Douglas Coupland when I wrote this: http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=interviews&id=9739.
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