Stupid evangelicals at it again. Huckabee wins - Page 2

At least you're starting to realize that he's not a viable candidate.

Human beings...not 'illegals'. I'm sorry, but if your issue is that you need to be a citizen of this country or else you deserve to die of cancer, your vote shouldn't count.

Of course, there's also the matter of how ridiculous such a scenario is. Hospitals so overrun with illegal immigrants ("They're coming out of the walls, doctor! What do we do?" "We pray, nurse. We pray") that they cannot help paying patients. The industry of medicine is doing just fine, thank you, even if they help people without greencards. In fact, we have so much fucking money invested in medicine, we spend billions of dollars not curing cancer, but finding newer and better boner pills. Take a sip of reality.

That's a very dangerous way to think. We need as much discussion over how and why this was allowed to happen so something this horrific won't happen again.

Wow, are you going to enjoy the return to the gold standard.

I wouldn't want him in office but I love having Paul in the GOP debates and agree that he's elevating the dialog. It's awesome that the lunatic is the only one who doesn't sound like he's reciting lines on a sitcom.

That said, his philosophy on the Dept. of Education is scary. The DoE is a disaster without a doubt, but eliminating it is not the answer and will make the situation a thousand times worse, pure intentions or no.

Holy shit, is he out of touch! Five thousand dollars won't get you through the door of most private schools in the states let alone allow your kid(s) to attend. And three thousand for a tax break to a profession that is already underpaid by about fifteen thousand a year is a straight kick in the nuts.

I've never hated one group of political believers in my life but the libertarians sure are coming close.

Regardless of the medical care situation, illegal immigrants are just that...here illegally. Their status as human beings is irrelevant. Show me any other country that will accept immigrants, allow them to partake of government (local and/or federal) programs and not go through the process of becoming naturalized citizens. I'm not saying that some of the scenarios that have been presented are not ridiculous, but there has to be some standard of protection for a country and its legal citizens.

Jesus, if I had the rep I'd give it.

Just like I said. The "they're human beings!!!" argument is irrelevant in regards to immigration status; nobody has accused them of being 3-toed sloths or anything. The fact that they are human is indisputable, but who cares? They're here illegally! Maybe it sounds heartless or whatever, but so what? Let 'em follow the naturalization process like everybody else, or be human beings in their own country.

Yeah, man! Who cares about their kids who had no say in how they came to this country! No vaccines! No education! That'll teach 'em!

Romney should have spent his ad money on hiring Naomi Watts to say "Fuckabee!"

I can kind of see your point, but you're not seeing mine. I have compassion for others, sure. The problem is, at what point do you say 'enough'? You cannot help every single person in the world who wants to come to this country.

Also, I do have a problem with my tax dollars being used to help people who are not here legally. There's already too many citizens of this country who need help, and the focus has been turned completely away from them (especially in this election so far).

I can see that, and I hope I didn't come off that way. I grew up in South Texas (literally right at the Mexican border), and I saw many instances of people crossing the border and using American programs (specifically food stamps and medical care), then went right back across the border again. No tax money is generated from that. The abuses of state and federal programs were (and probably still are) rampant there, so I have a kind of skewed view of the topic. However, I did have friends who were here illegally, but worked hard and contributed to the economy just like you said. Also, they were trying hard to become actual citizens...I saw many more who just wanted to use the programs available and leave. This should not happen.


I don't have the stats that you mentioned, but I would like to see them as well. Most of the illegals I saw didn't have jobs that required SSNs, yet they were able to use fake SSNs for food stamps, medical care, etc. Once the bills went out to the fake addresses that they used they were returned. Guess who has to cover the difference. Many times, they use a couple of different addresses (I saw up to 5 once) for food stamps that were for the same person, and the addresses were abandoned houses. The postal carriers know that no one lives at those addresses but they still have to deliver them.

Like I said before, I had friends who were here illegally, but with the sole purpose of gaining citizenship. They had to work here to save up the money to do it since their own country has such a crappy economy. But, I also saw many more who were more than willing to drain the system dry and move on. They are the ones I have a problem with.

Incorrect.


Completely correct. You don't have to agree with me, but that's your problem. It doesn't make me disingenuous.

Single malt scotch will do, thanks. Oban Double Barrel.

He didn't put up much of an argument, so I can only assume he's okay with permanently occupying countries under false pretenses as long as only natives are being killed as well. Americans who think such an occupation is okay are morally bankrupt, and that includes McCain.

No he isn't. The majority favour withdrawal from Iraq, not a presence lasting decades or possibly a century.

What you cannot understand is not my problem.

I'd be appalled. Just because you're trained to think it's okay for the US government to throw its weight where it isn't welcome does not make it so.

Of course he did. Unless you think he was inventing stories about what most Americans want for the sake of disagreeing with those invented stories.

Yes, that's obvious through his endorsement of permanently stationing them in the middle of a hostile situation. Permanent occupation of Iraq is not necessary to save American lives.

I don't miss the point, his cavalier attitude toward the lives of non-Americans is precisely the point. It's not that I don't understand what the guy's saying, it's that I do understand and I think it's awful.

What Democrats might do is not the issue here.

Yes, That was the point. And that makes the US the bad guys. And that's why permanent military bases are a bad thing. Even if it's only the local towelheads killing each other off, it's still a bad thing.


That was the generic 'you', pedant.

If you think Republicans are concerned about the welfare of the US, then you haven't been paying attention. And not permanently occupying Iraq isn't atoning for past crimes, it's merely ceasing to commit them.

That's bullshit. I see I'm wasting my time debating right and wrong with you. Bye.

Good luck with that.