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Manhattan (1979)

post #1 of 24
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Holy shit. BEAUTIFUL cinematography. BEAUTIFUL. One of the most beautiful looking movies I've ever seen.
post #2 of 24
Even more remarkable: Gordon Willis shot the picture on color film, then printed to black-and-white. I believe this was at the command of the studio, in case B&W wasn't commercial enough.
post #3 of 24
This movie made me want to punch Woody Allen in the face.
post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by Werewolf Girl
This movie made me want to punch Woody Allen in the face.
Why?

Probably my favorite Woody Allen movie...
post #5 of 24
I'm not sure how popular an opinion this is, but I think it's Allen's best movie, or at least the best one I've seen. Annie Hall is fantastic, but I think Manhattan is just about flawless. It's the perfect Woody Allen movie.
post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by Parker
Why?

Probably my favorite Woody Allen movie...
Come on, he's really really annoying. The scene where he keeps going on and on about the brown water almost made me turn it off, or scream, or find him and punch him. It seems that a lot of people find him funny, but I just want to hurt him for what I had to put up with during that movie.

If I ever end up meeting him, even if he's 90 and in a wheelchair at the time, he's going to get his nose broken.
post #7 of 24
I remember when the Mia/Soon-Yi business flared up and people were acting all shocked that a beloved comedian led such a messy personal life. I was like, have you been paying attention to his films?

"What do you do?"
"I go to high school..."

Manhattan may be not only his best movie, but his most honest.
post #8 of 24
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Woody's character is a bit of a bastard, but I think that's part of the point.

"You know what you are? You're God's answer to Job, y'know? You would have ended all argument between them. I mean, He would have pointed to you and said, y'know, 'I do a lot of terrible things, but I can still make one of these.' You know? And then Job would have said, 'Eh. Yeah, well, you win.'"
post #9 of 24
It's a huge part of the point.
post #10 of 24
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And in...Crimes and Misdemeanors I think (may have been Interiors), a husband character (may or may not have been Woody) groans because his wife accuses him of flirting with his step-daughter. I think it was Interiors, because I think it was Mary Beth Hurt that made a comment about "I know how that is, I know the kind of games I used to play with my father".
post #11 of 24
This movie proved to me just how being from Philadelphia has relevance over every goddamn thing in existence.
post #12 of 24
One of Woody's finest, no doubt. Not sure it's my favorite because there's so many other great ones, but it's up there.

No matter how his newer work plays, Woody will always be a god to me.
post #13 of 24
post-revamp bump
post #14 of 24
Absolutely terrific film. The movie that really made me fall in love with Allen's films and seek out his other stuff.

And the cinematography. Man. Why can't more movies take this kind of consideration for their subjects anymore?
post #15 of 24
"I finally had an orgasm, and my doctor said it was the wrong kind."
"You had the wrong kind? I've never had the wrong kind, ever. My worst one was still right on the money."

"Plus I'll probably have to give my parents less money. It'll kill my father. He's not gonna be able to get as good a seat in the synagogue. He'll be in the back, away from God - he'll be far from the action."

There's a stellar 1080i transfer of this movie that HDNet has been showing for the last couple of months. I'm sure this movie won't make it to Blu-Ray for a couple years but the moment it's available for pre-order, I'm there.
post #16 of 24
Love this film. Out of what I've seen of Woody Allen's catalogue I'd rank it right behind Annie Hall and Crimes and Misdemeanors. The cinematography cannot be praised enough, really art worthy. I've always wondered if I stay in the town I'm in if I'd end up inheriting the fledgling film program at my local high school (English degree means teacher around here, so if I pursue that it might happen) and Manhattan would be used a lot when looking at cinematography.
post #17 of 24
Patrick, I finally saw this right after you started this thread - amazing stuff! I loved the scene when they're talking to each other in the observatory, and all you see are the silhouettes of their profiles. Probably one of my favorite Allen films now that I've seen it.
post #18 of 24
The final scene might be my favorite Woody moment. As he quietly pleads, then accepts it, he looks to his left and right and the small smirk.

I can always thank PBS for showing me this and intoducing me to Woody's work.
post #19 of 24
Oh Woody, can't you stop falling for Diane Keaton?

First - Patrick, thank you for getting me into Woody Allen. If you knocked on my door in 5 minutes and slapped me with a brick when I opened, I'd still be eternally grateful that you pushed me towards seeing his work.

Second - I blind-bought Manhattan after seeing Bananas and Annie Hall, finally made some time to sit down and watch it today. I've come to the conclusion that (and I'll definitely need to rewatch all 3 before this is set in stone or anything) as much as I loved Bananas and Annie Hall, Manhattan takes the cake as favorite Allen flick I've seen thusfar.

Maybe I just fluked out and picked the right 3 movies to start with from his filmography, but I've been so impressed with how well he's pulled off the three sometimes drastically different styles of these movies, all anchored with his trademark neurotic and "overly-intelluctal" writing. Bananas with its over-the-top satire and being more of a broad comedy, Annie Hall with the 4th wall breaks, narration and a decidedly more self-destructive and well, "down" take on relationships than I think we see in Manhattan (as Sonic mentioned, I think ending on that smirk was PERFECT, though I may be misconstruing its meaning), and Manhattan a really rewarding, drop-dead gorgeous middle ground. Cannot echo the love for the B&W, framing and aspect ratio used in this film enough.. and it bears repeating; "Why don't these kinds of films ever look this good anymore?". The anwser I guess is, there aren't many (any?) films like this anymore.

Anyway, I know mini-reviews for 30 year old films are pretty passe so I'll keep it short and sweet. Loved Manhattan top to bottom; the shots in the observatory were fantastic, all the little moments like smacking his kid on the face window-shopping for boats, the "wrong kind of orgasm", and that incredible Gershwin score, among many other things..

Ends wonderfully. Everything from Emily and Isaac's conversation to that final smirk works so damn well, and never feels like those typical romance roundabouts where guy realized he made a mistake and rushes to stop his true love from leaving at the last possible minute.. that kind of tripe. I don't know what exactly makes it feel geniune here, but it does and that's all I really need.

This wasn't exactly short and sweet, but I say what's on my mind and, if you can't take it, well then fuck off!
post #20 of 24
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If you ever happen to get a chance to see this on the big screen: run, do not walk. Push over an old lady if she's in your way. BUT GET TO THAT THEATER.

 

Considering that I've only seen 2 Woody Allen movies on the big screen previous to this (Scoop and Vicky Christina Barcelona), neither of which could be considered close to Allen's best work, this was like a religious experience to me. The way there's not even opening credits, just that incredible montage of NYC, it's like a visual fanfare. I think this is a sad but optimistic movie, and that opening sets that immediately, and directly ties into the end when Isaac is listing the reasons life is worth living: no matter what kind of heartbreak, betrayal, or sadness he may encounter, there's always the Guggenheim. There's always Gershwin.

 

Also, this is the first viewing everything really clicked for me. Again, even though I do most of my viewing at home on DVD, there are some films that only really live on the big screen. That one shot of Tracy reading, isolated by a little light in the darkened apartment takes on an entirely different life when it's viewed on a screen much much more vast than my 30'' TV. I better understood the relationships in general. There is no one on this planet who was able to make jokes that also reveal character like Woody Allen, and in no movie does he do it better than here. Every one-liner Isaac says not only got a laugh from the audience, but reveals something about himself, and his relationship with who he tells it to. It's utterly brilliant writing.

 

And the ending made more sense to me this time around. The whole film is about progression and regression. People are torn between the comfort of the past and the excitement of the future. Diane Keaton's relationship with Michael Murphy (who, by the way, is the only weak link in the cast) is regressive for her. It has no future. But for Michael Murphy, it's exciting, he wants to keep it going. Woody's relationship with Mariel Hemingway is the same. It's regressive for him, it's easy because she worships him and doesn't assert herself. So after his relationship with Diane Keaton's character falls apart, because she's too afraid and goes back to Michael Murphy, he tries to go back to Mariel Hemingway, but it's too late, she's decided to be progressive. And he's forced to do the same, having no other choice.

 

It's a long movie, and I felt the length, but I couldn't really name any scene that would be better left out of the film. Annie Hall still wows me on entirely different levels, and is funnier to boot, but this is definitely one of the all time great Woody Allen films. Which means it's one of the greatest films of all time.

post #21 of 24

From my post in the OCD thread: "2) Manhattan - Absolutely gorgeous film. If I could pick one movie that I would love to see on the big screen someday, it would probably be this.

 

So, quick (slight) derail; where and when did you see this  on the big screen Patrick?

post #22 of 24
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Sunday. The Music Box has been doing Woody Allen Matinees on the weekends for the past month or so. Unfortunately, due to my boss being unorganized and horrible at his job, I wasn't able to see Annie Hall on the big screen, even though it was during my birthday that I requested off a month in advance.

 

Next week is Hannah and Her Sisters, another really great one. They've also shown Another Woman (which is eh) and Bananas.

post #23 of 24

A Sunday matinee means that I was probably sitting on my couch watching DREAMCATCHER. So, fuckeroo.

 

Thanks for the heads up on HANNAH. I might be able to make that.  That is unless I decide to rent MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE or some shit.

post #24 of 24

A wonderful film for the big screen. I love that shot of Allen & Keaton in the museum at the solar system exhibit, with the moon dominating half the frame. I still love Annie Hall and Crimes & Misdemeanors a bit more, but this is a masterpiece. Bonus points for the balls of having Keaton, right after Annie Hall, playing a character that would absolutely despise Annie if they were to ever meet.

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